Monday Presser Transcript 11-26-12: Brady Hoke Comment Count

Heiko

Bullets:

  • Sorry I didn't post a postgame presser transcript. I was too busy avoiding the internet, and no one said much anyway.
  • Devin Gardner's redshirt paperwork will be filed soon. Hoke expects him to get his fifth year.
  • Hoke will talk to Taylor Lewan about the NFL draft this week.
  • Bowl practice will not begin until the opponent is revealed.

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“You guys didn’t get fed. Well, that’s poor.”

Makes us ornery.

“Yeah. You know, we’re all real disappointed in the outcome down in Columbus obviously, but one thing I can tell you is we’re really proud of this senior class. Proud because of the leadership and the development of the program that they’ve helped and their commitment to the university, and proud of how they’ve continued to lay the foundation of what we want to be as a program. It was hard. It was disappointing for them to play their last game against Ohio and not be successful like we all want to, and that’s an expectation. But we’re proud of them and we’ll have one more opportunity with them. We’ll take that very seriously.”

As you looked at the film during the second half, aside from the turnovers, what did you see could have been done differently?

“Well, I think a lot of it, number one, was short yardage things. We prided ourselves on being good in short yardage. We tried three different, really four different schemes. Ran the iso, ran the power, ran the quarterback read play, and just couldn’t -- didn’t -- execute it like we’d like to. They all had possibilities besides probably the iso that could have been executed, but that was disappointing, when you get 21 plays in the second half. That’s hard when you want to get into rhythm and turnovers are part of it. We’ve talked about turnovers throughout the year. You turned the ball over four times, you’re not going to win many football games. At the same time, I thought from a defensive perspective, we’d love to have been a little better vs. the run in there, especially with Hyde. Braxton is going to get his share to some degree, but the defense stood up when it had to. Liked to have, on the last drive, gotten the ball back one more time. We went in at halftime and it was 21-20. If they don’t score, they can’t win. Well, we have to keep them from scoring.”

Was Denard limited at all, and did it affect the way you called plays?

“Not really. I mean, he can throw the ball, but he can’t throw it the way and with the confidence that he’d like to throw with. That was one reason we weren’t going to put him out there in a situation where he’s not throwing it as well as he knows he would like to. That would be unfair. No, he was okay. The last two drives we had to try and get points, so keeping Devin in the game and throwing the ball a little bit, and unfortunately we throw the pick. But that’s football.”

Why didn’t Denard get the ball more in the second half?

“We only had 21 plays. We tried to give him a shovel, tried to get him out -- I’m trying to think what other situation it was -- it just didn’t present itself. And then with the fourth and two, fourth and three, it was the same play he had a nice run earlier in the football game, and we don’t block it right.”

Why did you limit the amount of plays involving both Devin and Denard? Did you not think it would work?

“I would say the reason would be it wasn’t exactly the timing of it. There’s a timing of how you set things up, and especially in the second half. We turn the ball over three times, so offensively you’re a little bit out of your realm and just your mojo, if you want to call it that. So trying to do something that maybe wouldn’t be as successful, it just didn’t feel like it.”

Punt vs. go for it on 4th down? Whose call was that?

“Mine. Mine. Mine.”

Why did you change the call?

“That’s the only thing I wish I wouldn’t have done was call the time out. Should have left them on the field and gone for it.”

Were you going to fake punt?

“Maybe.”

Reasons for success on the road vs. at home?

“Well. I think when you look at turnovers on the road, the one thing I know you have to do on the road is run the football. We have not run the football or taken care of the football as well as we need to away from home.”

You called last season a failure because you didn’t win the B1&. What do you tell your players about this season?

“Well we didn’t win the championship, and that’s the expectation. I think there was some growth, and I think that growth is probably as much with how the senior class came together. I think it also is for the young guys who played some snaps, some valuable snaps in football games, so that foundation of what you want to do in the weight room, what you want to do in spring football, summer conditioning, winter conditioning, all those things -- there’s always that foundation, and how one group responds, and is it a better job than the last group? It’s disappointing to all of us, more disappointing because of the seniors. For them.”

Reaction to the 2012 schedule? Two undefeated teams, defending national champion, and potential B1G champion … What were some of the troubles this schedule presented?

“I don’t know about troubles. You’re going out there to compete. Maybe self-inflicted troubles at times, giving the ball up, not running the ball well enough, all those things are part of it.”

Does the quarterback situation for the bowl game change based on Denard’s progress?

“Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. But I think at the same time, there’s an opportunity to expand more maybe on some of the two-quarterback things.”

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“As Phil Hanlon said, the sun came up and it wasn’t quite as bright.”

How much is Devin’s November a springboard for him going forward? Also, do you expect his redshirt application to go through?

“Um, yeah I would expect that would go through. I think all the documentation and everything is being sent to the Big Ten. And I think there is some momentum. I know how terrible he feels right now, but I know there is momentum and things to learn from, and also he had some success, too.”

Ball security? What can you do?

“Heh. Heh. You’ll see guys walking around campus with footballs in their arms.”

Have you done that previously?

“Not here. But I’ve done it.”

How happy are you to see Roundtree get some plays these last few weeks?

“Well, I think we’re all excited for all of them, but Roy, because of how he has handled himself as a student and an athlete, how he’s come to work every day, I think all those things are a big part of it. I thought he played a good football game the other day obviously, and being an Ohio kid, you want to see that for him.”

Denard and route running?

“Well, we had a couple routes in there for him. It was pretty obvious that they paid attention to where he was. You can do that. Has he had a whole lot of route running and that stuff? No. Maybe if he would have had a little more, but that wasn’t the plan.”

Did you think the offense became a bit predictable when Denard was on the field?

“I don’t think so, because I think there were plenty of opportunities. You have to block, too.”

How quickly can the offensive line and running back issues be fixed?

“Oh, sheez. I don’t know if there’s any quick fixes. I think there’s some, oh, some guys that we haven’t played that we’ll see. They have some growth to do, though. That’s a big part of it. That’s these 15 days that we’ll practice, will be a big part of it. We’ll bring them along. In both of those areas, there’s a higher expectation than what we’re doing right now.”

What do the young offensive linemen get during the bowl practice that they don’t get during the regular season?

“Well the one thing we’ve tried to do is continue to develop them all fall. But there will be a couple practices in there that will be a little more focused on what they’re doing.”

Will Fitz try to apply for a redshirt next year, or will he try to get back on the field?

“I don’t know. I think he’ll have a full recovery. How long that is? I don’t know.”

Going forward, will you think about using two quarterbacks in the future?

“I think depending on your personnel. I think there’s not any limitations to what you might be able to accomplish with it. But I think in doing that, you have to look at then, offensively, what are you? Are you a pro-style? Spread? What are you? How do you get them both the ball?”

Could you take a guy like Dennis Norfleet and turn him into a read-option back?

“You could, I’d imagine. You could.”

But you’re not thinking about it.

“I’m not as radical as you are right now.”

After Iowa, did you look back and wonder if you should have tried to the Devin-Denard thing earlier?

“No. Because we weren’t in position to. [Denard] was our quarterback. No.”

Going for 4th down? What’s the process for making that decision?

“Gut.”

Do you talk to Al?

“I just told him to, after I called the timeout, be ready. And then go. And I thought we had a good play. In fact, we did have a good play if we execute the blocking.”

So it was more on the offensive line?

“It wasn’t blocked the way I’d like for it to be blocked.”

Does execution on the offensive line change the way Al calls the offense?

“Sure it does. Sure it does. And same thing defensively. You’ve got to have enough calls in there -- which I guarantee on both sides of the ball, we had enough calls -- that if they’re taking advantage of you somehow someway, that you can respond differnetly. Counteract.”

How much do you talk to Borges? Especially during the second half? What did you think of his playcalling?

“I thought he called a good football game. If we do a couple things better, I think we’ll all be much happier. I thought the playcalling was exactly what it should have been, and how much do I talk to him? I talked to him at half time. I talked to him during the third quarter. I talked to him during the fourth quarter.”

Chris Bryant’s recovery?

“He’s coming along. All those guys, Blake, all those guys are making progress daily. Who will be ready for spring? I don’t know that yet. We’ll be very smart in how we do get those guys back involved. ”

What’s your schedule in terms of recruiting, working out, practices, etc?

“Recruiting. Working out -- not the staff. Some of them do, but gameplanning once we find an opponent.”

Will you not practice until you have an opponent?

“Yeah. We won’t. We won’t practice. We’re going to lift and try and give them some time this week. Finals coming up. All those kinds of things.”

Was the reason you didn’t have Denard and Devin on the field at the same time more because you thought Ohio State’s defense was too good?

“Well I think I was talking about throwing the ball with Denard. If he can be successful, and he didn’t have that confidence, why put him in a situation that’s not fair to him?”

Were you planning on having a fake punt?

“We always have a fake punt ready. For a long time I’ve had it ready.”

What happens when you get that gut feeling in the moment?

“Coming off the first half we had, from an offensive perspective, you felt pretty good that we could get the first down.”

Early jumprs to the NFL? When do you have those conversations?

“No, we’ll talk about it this week. We’ve done our due diligence, sent all the information in that we need to.”

When does the draft advisory board meet?

“I’m trying to think. There’s a date that they’ll give you the information that you need. I can’t remember what that is.”

Have you talked to Taylor?

“No we’ll talk about it this week.”

Is Lewan the only player who’s seriously looking into it?

“I can’t think of anything else.”

When someone’s considering a move like that, do you gear them towards coming back for their senior season, or you take it on a case by case basis?

“I’m going to gear the young man towards what’s best for him.”

How discouraging is it that we’re talking about the same stuff for 10 weeks about the offensive line?

“Yeah.”

What do you attribute that to?

“You know, we just didn’t develop as well as we’d like.”

Have you seen improvement from Denard week to week?

“Mmhmm. Yeah. You mean in him healing? Oh yeah. Yeah.”

What is the difference between arm strength and confidence?

“I think it’s all part of it. How the ball spins. All that stuff.”

Ss is the ball not spinning right?

“I don’t think it’s spinning the way he’d like to.”

If Denard is 100% for the bowl,

“I would think he’d play quarterback, maybe wideout, maybe running back, maybe --”

Kick returner?

“He might do that.”

Is it safe to say that Devin’s your quarterback for next year?

“Well, he’s going to have to compete and earn it, but he’s put some -- he’s done a good job of what we’ve asked him to do to this point.”

Do you expect Russell to be back next year?

“Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, and they’ll compete.”

How badly do you need a running back, too, in addition to fixing the offensive line?

“You need both. You better have a back, or a couple backs. And you better be able to have guys up front who can move the line of scrimmage.”

They didn’t progress this year, either, did they?

“I think it’s hard to evaluate to some degree, for the simple fact that maybe if we had blocked better, it may have been better.”

Why do you think Devin’s going to get his fifth year?

“Just a gut feeling. I mean, I’m serious.”

Do you have all the paperwork?

“We have all the paperwork, yes.”

You have a lot of gut feelings.

“Yeah, I do. I have a big gut.”

Comments

AlwaysBlue

November 26th, 2012 at 7:47 PM ^

The idea that this team was just good play calling away from overcoming too many turnovers, one QB who couldn't throw and another with precious little experience strikes me as unrealistic.  Hoke has stood up before and talked about the coaching staff needing to do better so I don't think he has a single problem being accountable.  That he chose to talk about execution tells me that he saw players making mistakes they shouldn't have made. 

  

Red is Blue

November 26th, 2012 at 9:25 PM ^

Really doesn't make a difference. I would just rather the coaches who are very well compensated didn't publicly solely blame 18-22 yr old men working their tails off. Ultimately it is the coaches responsibility to coach them up or find plays that the can execute. In other words, play to the players strengths.  Maybe the talent level is such that that couldn't happen, I don't know.  But banging your head against the wall and saying all year that we didn't execute is stupid. 

By the way, play calling and turnovers are not independent and I didn't say play calling could overcome all the obstacles.  I just would have liked to see try something different before the last couple of minutes of well lets just throw.  Remember the Rose Bowl in '07, USC found out it couldn't run against Michigan's defense.  Instead of continuing to try and hoping that things will be different this time, USC completely abandoned the run and played to their strengths and put the team in a position to win.  That is not what happened against OSU last Saturday.

Blue in Yarmouth

November 27th, 2012 at 8:21 AM ^

we only lost by 5 points in this game. A game in which we turned the ball over and failed to execute on many plays and became completely predictable in the second half, so much so that the opposing players and coaches even stated as much after the game. What that tells me is we could absolutely have been good play calling away from 6 points and a win. 

Again, no one can be sure at this point, but that is the feeling I get after rewatching the game.

ole luther

November 27th, 2012 at 10:57 AM ^

someone out there (with a lot less than a gazillion points) agrees!

The players stand up.....protect each other....bust their asses......I know the coaches can't tell us everything but......

......how much different is Ohio than Bama?...and....

we played Ohio AFTER 12 weeks of a season.  Bama was first out of the gate and most expected us to get drilled.

12 weeks of practices and games and this is what THIS coaching staff comes up with?

Where's the improvement in coaching?....in clock management?....in time out usage?....I'm sick and tired of HokeSpeak!  I'm sick and tired of hearing how the line just didn't blolck the way we expected them to.

You know what Hoke, I'm sick and tired of watching you  coach!  I'm sick and tired of seeing timeouts go to the locker room.  I'm sick and tired of your Godawful clock management. (And BTW, if anyone believes that the Coaches were actually TRYING to score just before halftime....your an idiot!!!)

If Hoke doesn't want to tell us anything, fine, then just shut your mouth and stop trying to cover up the obvious, blatent, piss-poor job of coaching that I have seen week after week.

 

M-Wolverine

November 27th, 2012 at 2:11 PM ^

All your ranting the last couple of days...

 

kay, pay attention. The coaches don't throw interceptions, or blow coverage assignments. The coaches don't fail to fill holes in the defensive line. The coaches don't jump off sides or start falsely. The coaches don't drop balls or decelerate during a punt or kick off return. The coaches don't kick the ball out of bounds during kickoffs. The coaches don't miss field goals, The coaches don't grap face masks or kill drives due to personal foul violations. The coaches don't fumble the ball, drop the ball or let the ball lay after a blocked field goal. The coaches spend most of their time trying to get 11 guys (kids) to work as a team while trying to teach them (in one week or less) how to analyze film, recognize a defense, or learn a variation of a new play or for that matter a new blocking assignment. Certainly, there are several areas where the coaches may be held responsible; play selection, personel selection, etc. However, to place the blame for a poorly executed game or a loss on the coaches heads is in comparison to blaming your parents for your speeding ticket.

That was you, dude. Two years ago. Not that you have an agenda or anything.

jsquigg

November 26th, 2012 at 4:32 PM ^

Does Al change the way he calls plays based on the blocking?  And Hoke says yes!?  He didn't on Saturday.  Why he even had running plays from the I-Form in the playbook was beyond ridiculous, but even more ridiculous is when he chose to call those plays.  Good grief.

Maizenblueball

November 26th, 2012 at 4:35 PM ^

You have a lot of gut feelings.

“Yeah, I do. I have a big gut.” 

I literally laughed out loud on reading that line from Hoke!  I think Hoke is a much funnier guy than he lets on in these pressers. 

sdogg1m

November 26th, 2012 at 5:05 PM ^

The OL has struggled immesley this year. You contrast this years OL play against that of the OL in the 1995 OSU game and you see a huge difference. In that game, Biakabutuka received a lot of credit for his rushing totals but he ran through HUGE holes all day. Clarence Williams also ran through those holes when he was in the game.

The question I have, at what point do you determine that bad OL play is attributed to inferior recruits as opposed to poor coaching?

The reason I bring up such a question is Mattison has coached a defense recruited by RichRod and turned them into good players. I would say everyone on the defense has gotten better since Mattison arrived.

Red is Blue

November 26th, 2012 at 9:36 PM ^

Talent quality and ability to coach 'em up are important.  But it is also important to play to the relative strengths of the team.  Is there something that this OL was better at than others and did the coaches emphasize that?  It seems like the attitude was "well this is something we ought to be able to do, so lets do it"  not "this is something we're relatively good at so lets do that"

M-Dog

November 26th, 2012 at 10:48 PM ^

Unlike Mattison who can take less-athletic players that don't really fit his scheme and turn them into an elite Defense, Borges is only as good as his players.  

If they are elite players, he'll do well.  If not . . . well we just saw what not.

 

Glen Masons Hot Wife

November 26th, 2012 at 4:39 PM ^

forget about critisizing the offensive playcalling.  Throw it on the O-Line.  Really nice.  Fuck off Brady.  I hope he's not really this clueless, and this is all coach-speak.

The O-line is at a disadvantage when the D has a pretty good idea of what you are about to do.

At least he didn't name names I guess.

He took the heat for calling the timeout, but not going for it on the fourth, or on what play Borges called.  I guess that's something?

In reply to by Glen Masons Hot Wife

TheGhostofYost

November 26th, 2012 at 5:02 PM ^

Come on man.  While I agree he could have provided some better answers, you're about 48 hours too late for the "fuck off" portion of the festivities. 

DelhiGoBlue

November 27th, 2012 at 12:09 AM ^

wouldn't it have been about 48 hours too late to defend the OC, the guy telling OSU what plays were being run, while simultaneously tossing his players under the bus?

So Hoke thinks Borges called a good game.  Fine, exactly two people believe that, Borges and Hoke...scratch that, the OSU coaching staff thought he did a fine job too. So I suppose it does follow that the entire blame should be shouldered by the senior QB and the OL.

At the very least Borges should man up and follow Denard Robinson's example and publicly accept his share of the blame.

Glen Masons Hot Wife

November 26th, 2012 at 8:17 PM ^

I was still wavering on giving RR another year (although ultimately, no, because, you know, what came of the Defense), and his track record was plenty worse than Kelly.

I can assure you, I would not be calling for Kelly's head after a couple years.  I realize its speculation on both sides because, who really knows... but you know, my opinion. 

GoWings2008

November 26th, 2012 at 9:00 PM ^

...Ohio may regret hiring Meyer.  I don't think when its all said and done we'll even come close to feeling that way about Hoke.  History will prove that he was perfectly suited to be Michigan's coach.  You must find that patience.

Maaly

November 26th, 2012 at 4:41 PM ^

I would pay money to have Hoke give us a Jim Mora like presser with real answers to our questions. I hate all generic coach talk.

Was Denard limited at all, and did it affect the way you called plays?

“Not really. I mean, he can throw the ball, but he can’t throw it the way and with the confidence that he’d like to throw with. That was one reason we weren’t going to put him out there in a situation where he’s not throwing it as well as he knows he would like to.

Did you think the offense became a bit predictable when Denard was on the field?

“I don’t think so, because I think there were plenty of opportunities. You have to block, too.”

 

sigh

readyourguard

November 26th, 2012 at 4:43 PM ^

Glad to hear Hoke acknowledge that the offensive line didn't develop as well as he'd like.  Development is on the players AND coaches.

Also, who asked "Do you expect Bellomy to be back"?  Is there a rumor that he's unhappy?

profitgoblue

November 26th, 2012 at 4:45 PM ^

I harp on it every week but, again, I don't see why Hoke can't at least open up about SOMEthing.  He gets asked the question about schedule for recruiting and practicing over the next few weeks and he can't even elaborate on that.  I mean, what the heck is the point of a press conference if you're not going to answer any questions with any information other than what I can provide myself??  Its a silly sideshow that wastes everyone's time.

TheGhostofYost

November 26th, 2012 at 4:54 PM ^

I would really love to be a fly on the wall in Brady's office.  In these pressers, he comes across as a complete football dunce.  I suspect (hope) there is actually some very intelligent analysis and review of the offense going on behind closed doors.  

wolverine1987

November 26th, 2012 at 5:06 PM ^

Concerning future play calling and coaching. I mean, I love Brady to death, but sometimes it is in fact, NOT just about execution, it is about the right play call and the right strategy that does not hamstring you before the ball is even snapped--making the execution even tougher. The fact is, we are clearly not as talented as Ohio on the line, making plays that count on offensvie line execution alone the wrong play call. Brady doesn't seem to believe this. Which again is bothersome.

And execution has nothing to do with the clear fact that not putting Denard and Devin together more is simply the wrong coaching move, especially after having success with it against Iowa. I thought his answer to that question was, quite frankly, lame.

Butterfield

November 26th, 2012 at 5:45 PM ^

This. People just see things that fail and are so quick to blame a coach for a play call. Well, if a projected first round pick makes an average play the game is different after Michigan gets the first. But it's become so easy and popular to blame a coordinator, most people just complain about borges as a reflex.

coastal blue

November 26th, 2012 at 6:11 PM ^

Having Denard in the game eliminated the possibility of a pass on a down where a pass was a logically viable option. 

Even if it had worked it was a bad call for that one simple reason. 

You can criticize these coaches like you criticized the last coaches. Its okay. 

chitownblue2

November 27th, 2012 at 10:01 AM ^

I think this coaching staff bungled one significant thing: the use of Gardner prior to the Nebraska game. I assume Bellomy didn't play in practice like he did against Nebraska, but clearly he wasn't ready. I also think our lack of WR production seems to have more to do either with the difference between Gardner and Robinson as players, or the difference in playcalling between the two (or both) - and not so much their talent level. Thus, maybe moving Gardner wasn't even addressing a problem we had. I think that's a mistake.

I also didn't like our short-yardage play-calls in the second half. It seemed as if we had three drives where we had 2nd and 3-or-less and failed to pick up a first down in any of those situations. I forget the specific playcalls, but I remember them being all runs. I thought that was bad in aggregate.

I do also recognize some extenuating circumstances - it's difficult to play football when you have 1 quarterback who cannot physically throw and a second quarterback with whom your team is averaging under 1 yard per carry with under center. If you can't run with one, and can't throw with the other...well, that's a shitty situation.

I also would like to know, and you never answered, why you think I was a major criticizer of Rodriguez. I wrote an entire fucking blog dedicated to the guy's glory. Do I recognize why he was fired? Yes. Do I refute the reasons for him being fired, do I think they were unreasonable? No.

coastal blue

November 27th, 2012 at 10:41 AM ^

From what I've personally seen of your posting on this site this is your theory:

In 2010 any failing of the team was based on coaching.

In 2011 and 2012, suddenly, the failings of the team are now based completely on player performance and the coaching is near faultless.

Simple as that. 

In fact your second to last paragraph reveals the bias: You make excuses for Borges because the circumstances were shitty. Well, its the coaches job to have a plan in place for such circumstances and he failed to come up with anything that worked. Hence criticism. 

Kind of like, you know, having a secondary composed entirely of freshmen and sophomores is a shitty circumstance. But to you, that's just an excuse and proof that somehow someone is an awful coach, because those guys aren't tackling correctly. 

But somehow, when juniors and seniors aren't blocking correctly, that's totally on the players, right? 

I'm with you: I do think Borges was in a bad spot, but as we've seen from his stuff at SDSU, he has proven to be innovative in the past and he wasn't on Saturday. He deserves some criticism and at the same time, deserves some patience till he can get the players he had a hand in recruiting in his line-up. 

It would just ring more sincere from you if you were more consistent in your criticism. 

chitownblue2

November 27th, 2012 at 10:51 AM ^

It's impossible to argue with you because you're attributing things to me I never said.

Do I think Robinson and Rodriguez's defensive staff did a categorically bad job? I do. I wouldn't put that on the secondary however.

coastal blue

November 27th, 2012 at 11:26 AM ^

My exact point is what you didn't say then, you are now using as excuses for the coaching staff now. You go out of your way to find reasons as to why their schemes and strategies aren't working to avert blame from Hoke/Borges, whereas with the prior regime - at least from what I saw - this was almost non-existent. 

I agree with you on a lot of what you post and have learned a lot from your stuff, but I can't help but call out this inconsistency. 

chitownblue2

November 27th, 2012 at 11:42 AM ^

First, I'd say that our offense, under this regime, has been 26th and 57th nationally. I'd say there likely IS less to criticize than a defense that was 108th and and 82nd. I don't see how that's controversial.

And I DO admit this staff has messed things up. I have said that I disliked the short-yardage play-calls, I've said I think they messed up handling Gardner (though I don't think they could have put him into Nebraska - I think their mistake was not having him ready).

If I come across as "excusing" them, it's because, while I think the 3rd down calls, in aggregate, were too predictable, I think the "RUN THEM OUT OF TOWN ON A SPIKE" crowd is a bit much at this point.

Contrary to your recollection, I don't think I ever said I wanted to see Rodriguez fired. If I recall, I said, in 2010, "if he makes a bowl, I'll swallow another year". However, I can't say I think he got wronged - he lost a whole lot of football games.

coastal blue

November 27th, 2012 at 12:33 PM ^

I would say, based on personnel, there were more excuses for the 2010 defense to be very bad  than their were for the 2012 offense to be mediocre. 

Because of that personnel, the expectations for each unit and in turn the team, were different. 

In 2010, we lucked into a win against Illinois (Forcier's crazy deflected pass). We were a team, as I've said before, with youth all over the place. We finished the regular season 7-5.

In 2012, we finished 8-4, but were a crazy deflected pass away from finishing 7-5 with a loss to Northwestern. Denard's injury was big, but once again, when he went out against Nebraska, we had performed worse than any other real team that Nebraska had faced up to that point in the game. 

Our defense has been very good, a shade or two short of excellent. So why, when our offense was projecting upwards from 2008-10, are we not better as a team than we are? 

To me, it seems obvious: The problem with the defense was partly Robinson/Rodriguez, partly mass youth. Both of those were fixed.

But the offense dropped from 2010 to 2012. Why? We have had veterans at almost every position the last two years. There really was no need for a fix other than letting the players develop. We introduced a solution where there was no problem and that was Borges. 

Is this his fault? Not really. You don't expect coaches to adapt fully to someone else's system. But he's going to have to deal with the criticism of the past two years because these teams, while the performance has been better than 2008-10, could have had more than they did. 

I think in regards to the pitchfork crowd, being close frustrates a significant amount of people even more than multiple blowout losses. When you lose a lot, by a lot, like we did in 2010, it sucks but you have hope going into the future things will get better because the players were young and there were injuries galore. When you lose like we have, where its agonizingly close and a touchdown here or there is the difference between 11-1 and a BCS bowl and 8-4 and the Capitol One Bowl, as the guy in charge of producing those touchdowns, you're going to take the heat. 

Butterfield

November 27th, 2012 at 1:31 PM ^

Think about your last paragraph for a second.  The current coaches have taken a team that got blown out of the stadium on several occasions per season to a team that doesn't get blown out by anybody except for Alabama.  Yes, they have lost some close games, especially on the road, but they've been in those games.  That is progress.  And that progress can be attributed to all involved, coaches and players. 

You can't go from losing to OSU by 30 to beating them consistently overnight.  The first step is competing in the same ballpark, and last year's narrow win and this year's narrow loss shows that the first step has been taken. 

And just a personal aside, I didn't see any hope from RR's teams that you mentioned seeing after getting blown out.  I was never going to be confident that he would field a decent defense after witnessing 3 years of awful.  Hoping it was just the youth and injuries that was causing that disaster was blindly ignoring the fact that Michigan was not being coached. 

coastal blue

November 27th, 2012 at 4:01 PM ^

But the team did change drastically personnel-wise from 2010 to 2011. 

Who were our starters in 2010 against OSU? We went from a team that was starting true freshmen by necessity in the secondary to one that had 3 out of 4 spots covered by guys who had actually played significant minutes. Countess actually won his spot because he was good enough, not because there were no other options. We actually had a decent jack of all trades in Woolfolk. Guys like Fitz were healthy, Denard and Lewan a year more developed. 

Hell, are you comparing 2010 Ohio State to 2011 Ohio State? Do you think Pryor in 2010 was a little better than Miller in 2011? Tressel a better coach than Fickell? 

Hoke and Co. took a team that was much more complete than the 2010 roster and did a great job with it. Mattison was truly an upgrade and I think we definitely would have been better with him in 2010 than with Robinson, but he had a hell of a lot more to work with in 2011 and a much easier schedule (No Wisconsin, Ohio State down, 8 home games). But once again, if he's coaching the 2010 roster, we don't have a top 30 defense. I mean look at his past: In 2006, Florida had a top ten defense. They lose a bunch of guys and in 2007 they dropped to 41st. They went from giving up 13 points a game to 24. Did he just suck almost twice as much more in 2007? Personnel at Michigan was a huge part of the problem. 

Borges has taken an offense on the rise and caused it to stagnate. I repeat: This isn't really his fault, its on Hoke for accepting he was going to downgrade the offense in the short term to keep the guy he trusted over the long term with him. I'm okay with that trade off, but its still frustrating to watch right now. 

Butterfield

November 27th, 2012 at 4:53 PM ^

My opinion:

Had the previous coaching staff remained on through last season, I honestly don't think we would have seen one iota of improvement in the defense.  Yes, Mattison had some guys who had a little playing time.  But they were guys that everyone around here thought were untalented and incapable of being good players.  If they had kept along the same path, I think it's likely they wouldn't have developed and the 2011 defense would have checked in around 100 in total defense....again.  We're talking 3 years of bad defense, so to just say that 2010 was an aberration because of young players is ignoring 2009 and 2008. 

Several other points (opinions) to put stuff in perspective and answer some of your questions:

  • While last year's Ohio team maybe isn't a good comparison with the 2010 version, how about this years?  They did go undefeated and all. 
  • Easy opponents were still able to score boatloads against Michigan 2008-2010.  See UMass, Illinois, Indiana, etc.  I don't care how easy last year's schedule was, an RR/Gerg/Casteel defense would have still found ways to allow tons of yards and points. 
  • Has the offense really been downgraded?  The Hoke/Borges led offense in 2011/12 compares quite favorably to the Magee/RR years.  2012:  30 PPG, 2011:  33.3 PPG, 2010:  32.6 PPG, 2009:  29.5 PPG, 2008:  20.3 PPG.  The drop from 2011 to 2012 can definitely be attributed to a much tougher schedule and a subpar offensive line, IMO. 
  • Has the offense really been downgraded Part II:  Looking only at offensive numbers in conference,  2008:  22.1 PPG, 2009:  22.1 PPG, 2010: 32.6, 2011:  36.25, 2012:  30.75.  
  • Furor rains down upon Borges for producing 21 points against OSU this season.  RR/Magee's dynamic offense on the rise teams scored a grand total of 24 points against OSU in 3 seasons, 7 in 2010, 10 in 2009, and 7 in 2008.