Legends And Leaders: Less Popular Than Pop Evil

Submitted by Brian on February 23rd, 2012 at 11:10 AM

A little over a week ago I surveyed the readers here about the Big Ten Division names in the aftermath of 1) the Big Ten declaring they found generally positive feedback and 2) the internet saying LOLWUT in response.

A non-random sampling of internet-savvy Michigan fans says:




That speaks for itself, I'd imagine.


Mitch Cumstein

February 23rd, 2012 at 11:15 AM ^

This, combined with the the poll posted on the board yesterday, suggests that Michigan fans disapprove of the division names more strongly than they approve of Brady Hoke.  Hoke is awesome, ergo, the division names must really suck.  Its science. 


February 23rd, 2012 at 11:20 AM ^

I thought it was a bad joke and they were taking their time to be sure they got it right.

I have resorted to Michigan's division, and the other one. Don't like it, tough. It makes at least as much sense as Leaders and Best. Oops, I did it again. 


February 23rd, 2012 at 1:59 PM ^

My Russian's a bit dated (last actively used about 10 years ago), but if I'm translating correctly, that sign says something like "educate generations selflessly devoted to the communist cause."

Jim Delany would clearly approve this message.  Also, товарищи трудяшиеся, помните что вы сами теперь управляет государством.

[edit] Also, that's VKP, not BKN - Russian letter 'B' sounds like 'V', Russian letter P is like the 'pi' symbol, while Russian letter N is like 'H'.




February 23rd, 2012 at 11:40 AM ^

Note: Ordered by crossover games.  MSU to the MAC, ND to the B1G


Great Lakes Division

1 Michigan

2. Notre Dame

3. Wisconsin

4. Minnesota

5. Northwestern

6. Purdue


Great Plains Division

1. Ohio

2. Penn State

3. Nebraska

4. Iowa

5. Illinois

6. Indiana


The biggest rivalries not played annually are Iowa-Wisconsin and Minnesota-PSU, both of which are currently not crossovers anyways


February 23rd, 2012 at 11:39 AM ^

I don't really like the Leaders and Legends all that much but I think using East and West is really such a bad fit that I have trouble seeing those numbers in the charts. East and West work in the SEC but it isn't even close to working in the B10. It would be so geographically challenged as to be as dumb as adding Boise State to the Big East.



February 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 PM ^

East & West isn't so geographically challenged, with a line down Wisconsin & Michigan / Illinois & Indiana, it wouldn't be too competitive though. North & South works best, I have it that way in my NCAA 12 Dynasty.

North: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Sparty, Michigan, Penn State
South: Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Ohio State

East: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Sparty, Indiana, Purdue
West: Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska


February 23rd, 2012 at 11:58 AM ^

Not Sure why these names get everyones panties in a bunch.  is it the implied arrogance? Hard to remember which division your team is in? If so, that is exactly why I approve of them.  In time everyone will be used to it. 


February 23rd, 2012 at 11:58 AM ^

... in the things that don't really matter category.  A name is just a vessle defined by what fills it.  As long as the product remains good -- focus on the student athlete, great rivalries, continued traditions, etc... -- you could call it anything you want.




February 23rd, 2012 at 12:12 PM ^

Brian has a platform to express his opinions and views on a subject matter and then uses the same platform to poll his readers. This skews the readers feelings and makes them vote differently.

It's no different if I gave a 3,000 word essay arguing ice cream was better than pizza, and then polling people on what they prefer, ice cream would get a more favorable score.

This poll should be trashed.


February 23rd, 2012 at 12:26 PM ^

Just about anything that is either a normal division name or true about the Big Ten would work better. Heck, East/West doesn't need to ensure that schools align in the east or west (see: lack of public outrage over the Dallas Cowboys in the NFC East or Indianapolis Colts in the AFC South). 


February 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 PM ^

I mean, it's like you're saying, "Mgobloggers hate the Division Names so much, we'll welcome Pop Evil as our Pump Up Band if the Division Names are changed." Don't open the door to that, please, thank you very much.


February 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 PM ^

If you want to evoke the deep history and tradition of the B1G and set it apart from the rest of college sports, these are my nominees.

1892 - the year the conference was founded.

Land Grant - The way most of the schools were founded.




February 24th, 2012 at 12:02 AM ^

East and West is relatively lame too (in my opinion).  How about we celebrate our geographic surroundings and have the "Lakes" and "Plains" division.  You do not necessarily have to separate teams into their respective geographic region for it to be a good fit.