it was over when [Patrick Barron]

It's-a Me, Vinny Testaverde Comment Count

Brian November 14th, 2022 at 11:39 AM

11/12/2022 – Michigan 34, Nebraska 3 – 10-0, 7-0 Big Ten

We have acquired First World problems. My main thought while observing this game was "I wish these guys were more interesting." An injury to the opposition's starting quarterback is now a negative. From Michigan's first snap it was clear that if they wanted to they could grind Nebraska into paste without throwing a single time. One Michigan possession started out with consecutive deep balls; that felt like when you get bored playing a video game and try to up the difficulty level by doing something absurd and unnecessary.

When I was a youth playing Tecmo Super Bowl you'd do this by picking Tampa Bay. Tampa had one incredible defensive back, Mark Carrier, and nothing else. The most viable strategy deep into the season when things got harder was to build your offense around running QB Vinny Testaverde six yards at a time. (For the youth, this is like building your offense around running Tom Brady, if Tom Brady only ever said "it'sa me, Vinny Testaverde." This would be a strange thing for Tom Brady to say, but it was just as strange when Vinny Testaverde won the Heisman (seriously! look it up!) and his acceptance speech was merely that. (Don't look up that part.))

Anyway, if you ran ol' Vinny too much he'd get tired and would inevitably fumble. Sometimes he would die.

So you'd have to carefully balance the only thing that would get you yards with not getting any yards at all. This probably sounds familiar to Chubba Purdy.

In the past we have theorized that the world is a simulation, and that it is the worst of all possible simulations: an Akron teenager's NCAA Football save in which he is taking Ohio State to a million national championships in a row. Now we must reconsider. It is possible that the simulation is someone who is bored with his game and is trying to see if he can beat Michigan with Gavin Wimsatt, Chubba Purdy, Spencer Petras, or Peyton Thorne. The answer is no. God no. Hell no.  Play a different game.

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Michigan has now reached the tier of college football teams where their games are largely ignored because they are not interesting. Alabama is playing Mizzou, you say? Ohio State is up against Michigan State? Georgia is playing… uh… the #1 team in the country? Pass, I have better things to do than watch a heavy favorite sit on someone for four hours.

For the neutral viewer Michigan is at least offering up some moderately competitive first halves, but the methods via which they have to do so are increasingly outlandish. Then the third quarter has been ritual sacrifice. For years and years and years Michigan has been the sort of heavy favorite that you always pay attention to because about 40% of the time they get into a game against a team that was supposed to be sat upon, and fairly often they'd actually lose. Michigan was worth your time, because they were good but not boring good. They were schadenfreude good.

This was an emphatic statement that no, you do not have to watch Michigan games against 30-point underdogs anymore. The method via which Michigan chooses to sit upon the opponent is literal. You will not get any whizbang long touchdowns. Every play will be a run that gains somewhere between four and twelve yards. The red hat will come on the field at some point for touchdown-commercial-kickoff-commercial because one Michigan drive ate up eight minutes of the quarter.

Variance has been banished. Players have been sat down for ever-more esoteric injuries because Michigan can throw out eight functional offensive linemen. Blake Corum's largest Heisman hurdle may be an inability to keep neutrals awake for his 28th carry of five or more yards.

It is all very relaxing, football as a Caribbean vacation. We are permitted to save up our panic for the terminator at the end of the schedule.

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

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bro [Patrick Barron]

you're the man now, dog-2535ac8789d1b499[1]

#1 The Offensive Line. Can't really give this to Corum when CJ Stokes, Tavierre Dunlap, and Isaiah Gash all got in and looked kinda like Blake Corum while continuing to brutalize the Nebraska defense. A couple of pass protection hiccups do not override what was probably the worst ass-kicking delivered to a conference opponent since the Big 2, Little 8 days.

#2 Mason Graham. A sack, another hit on the QB that caused an incompletion, a ridiculous split of a double team, and two other solo tackles as a DT, with limited snaps, against a team that couldn't stay on the field. That is a massive amount of impact. True freshman, somehow. Going to be incredible.

#3 Blake Corum. I mean… yeah. Do you know how hard it is to average 5.8 YPC with a long of 12? That's insane.

Honorable mention: CJ Stokes made the most of his eight carries, displaying a Higdon-like ability to get vertical and make good cuts. Mazi Smith and Kris Jenkins both whooped up on Nebraska DL. Andrel Anthony didn't do a whole lot but did rescue a touchdown. Ronnie Bell managed a bunch of yards even in this game.

KFaTAotW Standings.

(points: #1: 8, #2: 5, #3: 3, HMs one each. Ties result in somewhat arbitrary assignments.)

43: Blake Corum (#2 CSU, #2 Hawaii, HM UConn, #1 Maryland, #2 Iowa. HM Indiana, T2 PSU, #1 MSU, T1 Rutgers, #3 Nebraska)
23: The Offensive Line (#3 Iowa, #1 PSU, HM MSU, #3 Rutgers, #1 Nebraska)
21: JJ McCarthy (#1 Hawaii, #2 UConn, HM Maryland, HM Iowa, #3 Indiana, HM PSU, HM MSU. HM Rutgers)
17: Mike Morris (T3 Hawaii, HM Maryland, #1 Iowa, T1 Indiana, #3 PSU, HM Rutgers), Ronnie Bell (HM CSU, HM Hawaii, #1 UConn, #2 Indiana, HM PSU, HM Nebraska)
15:  Kris Jenkins (#3 UConn, T3 Hawaii, HM Iowa, T1 Indiana, #2 MSU, HM Rutgers, HM Nebraska)
14: Mazi Smith (#1 CSU, T3 Hawaii, HM Maryland, HM Iowa, HM MSU, HM Nebraska)
9: Donovan Edwards (HM Hawaii, T2 PSU, T1 Rutgers)
8: Mason Graham (HM Hawaii, HM Iowa, HM Indiana, #2 Nebraska)
7: Gemon Green (HM UConn, T2 Maryland, HM PSU)
5: DJ Turner (T2 Maryland), Junior Colson (#3 CSU, HM UConn, HM PSU), Luke Schoonmaker (T3 Maryland, HM Iowa, HM Indiana, HM MSU), Michael Barrett (#2 Rutgers).
4: Eyabi Okie (HM CSU, HM Iowa, T1 Indiana),  Jake Moody (HM PSU, #3 MSU).
3: Derrick Moore (HM CSU, T1 Indiana), Jaylen Harrell (HM CSU, T1 Indiana), Rod Moore (HM CSU, HM Indiana, HM MSU)
2: Roman Wilson (HM CSU, HM Hawaii), Max Bredeson (T3 Maryland), Joel Honigford (T3 Maryland), Mike Sainristil (HM Maryland, HM Indiana)
1: Braiden McGregor (HM CSU), Makari Paige (HM Hawaii), Rayshaun Benny (HM Hawaii), Cornelius Johnson (HM Hawaii), , AJ Henning (HM UConn), Caden Kolesar (HM UConn), RJ Moten (HM Maryland), Will Johnson (HM Rutgers), CJ Stokes (HM Nebraska), Andrel Anthony (HM Nebraska).

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

God, who can tell when every offensive play is a run somewhere between 4 and 12 yards? I don't know, you pick one.

Honorable mention: Ronnie Bell gets Michigan a Rube Goldberg touchdown. Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant flash next year stuff. More runs from between 4 and 12 yards.

image?MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

Back to back attempted deep shots fall incomplete, mildly annoying people concerned about the outcome of this game and delivering a deep-seated paranoia to people focused on what happens against Ohio State.

Honorable mention: The other deep shots that fell incomplete. DJ Turner gets hit with a deep shot, see above about OSU paranoia. Officials blow a very obvious roughing the kicker penalty. Late half clock management is abominable.

[After THE JUMP: Redzone encouragement]

OFFENSE

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[Barron]

The things you can do with this kind of ground game. It was third and six on Michigan's first drive and in the stands I thought "are they going to run this?" Indeed, they did:

This is not a conservative playcall. It is the logical thing to do when you are mashing them off the ball like Michigan was in this game. You can try a pass and maybe you convert. Running almost inevitably sets up a fourth and short, which almost inevitably converts. The math starts to get weird when you can deform a game like this. At times this year Michigan has felt a little bit like a service academy, at least in terms of what the third and fourth down math looks like.

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[Bryan Fuller]

Diversifying the redzone. After MSU everyone (read: your author) was all like "manball up" in goal-to-go situations, and then after Rutgers they were like "ok but not like that." This game saw Michigan go away from incessant dives without exposing Michigan to much threat of a TFL. Corum's first TD was a designed cutback—just watch Corum's route to the LOS—that wants to take advantage of everyone piling into the middle and get Corum one on one with a DB:

You can call that belly or windback, whatever. Point is that guys flinging themselves into the middle to stop the dive opened up the edge enough for a routine conversion.

Touchdown #2 was a devastating play action that saw Ronnie Bell act as like he was blocking on an insert play, which caused the guy who is hypothetically in coverage on him to cross the line of scrimmage. When McCarthy threw the ball that guy was about to tackle Blake Corum:

Touchdown #3 saw Michigan run a sweep with McCarthy as the ballcarrier, using his legs productively by adding the extra hat—Corum got the key block after Colston Loveland lost a guy—without the delay of a mesh point or the exposure to a safety who's now at five yards instead of twelve:

This is all very encouraging. Michigan saw that the things they were doing weren't working, decided to manball up against Rutgers and saw that wasn't quite the answer, and now has added some stuff in that addresses earlier issues and also focuses on the stuff they're really good at.

A bit of a concern. Karsen Barnhart got whooped a couple times by Garrett Nelson:

He also came in for a somewhat large dose of pass protection negatives against Rutgers. Barnhart has performed well on the ground, for the most part, and has been very far away from a liability. He probably starts for… uh… literally every team Michigan has played thus far. You still wonder what the situation with Trente Jones is. Jones got in on Michigan's last drive, which either means he was being taken for a test drive as they prepare to re-insert him into the starting lineup next week or that he's healthy and Barnhart has at least temporarily Wally Pipped him.

If I had to bet I'd bet on the former. The offseason competition here was not purported to be close.

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cumong man [Fuller]

Just one please. Deep shots are officially Grim. The above went through Cornelius Johnson's hands, and maybe he was running inside the numbers when he should have been running outside the numbers, and maybe that goes through his hands and he should grab it, etc. Apportioning blame is not where Michigan wants to be one game before Ohio State. The results here are legitimately horrifying given the level of opposition and the punishing ground game:

This includes chunk plays like the Bell waggle on the first play from scrimmage that are somewhere between true deep shots and intermediate passes. Lofted downfield balls are probably grading out significantly worse.

I don't really know what to do with this. Michigan is 96th in 30+ yard pass plays. A year ago they were 24th. Cade McNamara didn't have a whole lot of trouble hitting guys downfield even without Ronnie Bell; all the complaining about Johnson this year was pretty muted last year when he was torching OSU DBs:

I'm not sure I buy the "Josh Gattis is that good as a WR coach" theory since around these parts we talk about the Wile E Coyote year where you don't drop off immediately after the linchpin coach leaves, but a year after that. The WRs are basically the same as they were last year; they didn't suddenly forget all their stuff. Also… I mean… Miami. Not good at offense.

At this point there's enough sample size to believe that this is not good, but also not enough to confirm it. We just have to hope that some of this is randomness and Lady Luck is in Michigan's favor down the road.

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[Fuller]

Things that aren't Lady Luck, though. McCarthy does not appear to be making the correct throws much of the time. The above is an attempted fade to Bell where Bell appears to be looking for the back shoulder since his guy is in phase or over the top. The shot at Anthony was a reasonable decision since the underneath guys were covered, but the throw was an attempt to be perfect instead of going for the Jane Coaston All PI Offense approach: punt it up and let your guy go get it.

We've talked about this on the podcast the last couple weeks; it seems like Michigan is philosophically opposed to punting it up. In general, I agree with this—we've seen what building your offense around jump balls looks like for much of this season. But if you've got the ball and you're throwing it deep and there's not a lot of separation the right thing to do is punt it up and let your guy go get it; instead we've got a distinct tendency to try to throw the DO +5 ball instead of letting your WR moss someone.

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[Barron]

Flash forward. Colston Loveland broke for an out, got a guy to jump up on it, and then broke deep for a wide open shot that seems like the kind of thing we should get used to over the next couple of years. Dude has the proverbial It. His blocking is even sort of okay despite Loveland's backstory: converted wide receiver, true freshman, out of freakin' Idaho. He's already passed a bunch of guys and will be massively hyped up going into next year.

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[Fuller]

Also in It. CJ Stokes got his first extended run since his fumble earlier in the year and continued to demonstrate that he is a savvy cutter with excellent acceleration and a no-nonsense tendency to get vertical. I think he'll be an excellent understudy for Edwards next year.

Injury issues. Still not much clarity on why Edwards was being held out. He got crushed by a Nebraska LB on one of his early carries but continued after that; possible he wasn't feeling well in a way that did not rise to the level of a concussion and Michigan just decided to play it as safe as possible. There was some mention of a hand wrap at some point on the internet, supposedly traceable to legitimate persons who would know, but I have not been able to track down anything definitive.

If he plays against Illinois you have to assume everything is 100%. We might be in for a nervous week here as Michigan shelves anyone with a hangnail and we're left to wonder whether several players will be available for The Game.

DEFENSE

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I'm in danger [Barron]

SPRINZONGLE. Never in the history of hurdling fools has the fool refused to be a fool at all and, instead of being hurdled, decide to issue a vote of no confidence to the opposition's swingle mccringles. Then DJ Turner concluded the affair with the closest thing to a powerbomb I've seen outside of professional wrestling. Incredible theater, and since the guy popped right up after, a memorable moment in a game otherwise almost entirely devoid of them.

Do not taunt happy fun Mike Sainristil.

Again we are called to examine the one two things that worked in minute detail. Just under half of Nebraska's 146 yards were one of two things. #1 was this pass:

That's just DJ Turner getting beat; Moten is in centerfield and cannot be expected to get over the top of that. #2 was Chubba Purdy scrambling. The first one was third and fifteen so no big deal, but they moved the ball on their field goal drive primarily through broken contain:

That came to an abrupt end when yet another Baseball Slide Gone Wrong saw Purdy do something funky to his lower body. Both of these are concerns going into Ohio State, which obviously has the dudes to go win downfield and also has a QB with solid mobility.

A theory of why they were able to break contain. Last year the DTs could just sit back and watch the carnage; they did not need to actively rush so they could just hang out and clean up if the QB got flushed. This year there is no one dominant rusher, apologies to Mike Morris, so everyone's trying to get there and when that happens and you don't win you can get pushed out of your lane. Morris had a bit of early Chase Winovich in him in this game where he'd try to get around the corner and when it didn't work he kept trying to get around the corner until he was 13 yards upfield, whereupon the "pocket" became entirely notional.

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Not bad for a third string DT [Barron]

Other than that, though. Nebraska's other 45 offensive plays netted under two yards a pop. Well under. Michigan went with their heavy packages for much of the game, forcing Nebraska to single-block multiple DTs on each play. This did not go well for them. Between Smith, Jenkins, Graham, Benny, and Grant five different Michigan DTs could have been said to whoop guys.

Grant got a third down stop when he hurled his blocker so far backwards that he thought he should go try to block Kris Jenkins:

That guy is not even on the two deep. Also he is a true freshman. Also he is not even in the picture when we discuss who Michigan's best true freshman DT is.

Linebackering seems just fine now. Colson's still coming in for some fairly large swings but Michael Barrett's coming off consecutive +5.5 and +9 games; I don't think he could possibly have done anything to warrant large negatives in this one, since the bit where we talk about the successful plays Nebraska managed doesn't mention him and the rest of the day was so uniformly miserable for them. As we theorized earlier in the year, with this defensive line and this add-a-DT philosophy, Barrett's just fine back there. He may be more of a viper, but Michigan has that luxury what with their big big boys at DT.

Very happy for him, since he's been a program guy and these days the portal makes those guys a rarity. Glad to see him emerge into a solid starter, and if there's one guy Michigan will be badgering to take a COVID year it probably should be him.

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[Barron]

Michigan's best freshman DT. Mason Graham came in for some discussion above in the KFaTAotW section, but let us re-emphasize that what he is doing is almost completely unprecedented. Mike Martin is pretty much the only other name in the book when it comes to instant impact DTs in recent history. (Mo Hurst redshirted and didn't really make an impact until year three.) Martin had 9 solo tackles and 11 assists in 2008; 4.5 were TFLs and two were sacks. Graham is at 8 solos, 8 assists, 2.5 TFLs, all of which are sacks. Context is fairly similar since that defense somehow had a Brandon Graham/Terrance Taylor/Will Johnson/Tim Jamison defensive line*; Martin was clearly second string behind two good starters.

He's got two more games to match Martin's numbers.

*[If you're wondering how that team could go 3-9 with that defensive line, well, the D was 32nd in SP+ that year while the offense was 90th. Also the leading tacklers on that team: Obi Ezeh and Jonas Mouton.]

Moten wobbles. Did not see a whole lot from Moten in this game except for a potential third down stop on which he could not get a guy down in the backfield. We are seeing Quinten Johnson get some more time with Makari Paige sidelined the last two games, which is nice for depth purposes—always good to have a guy get his feet wet.

SPECIAL TEAMS

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[Barron]

Shoot your shot. It may seem like folly to return kicks in 2022 but I still think Michigan should be doing what they're doing here. The EV here is probably negative if you're just looking at the yard line Michigan starts at, but they're probably giving up a yard or three on average overall. In exchange they're getting AJ Henning touches and forcing the opposition to actually give a crap about their kick coverage.

Yeesh. Brad Robbins clearly had his plant foot hit on the running into the kicker penalty. That should have been the personal foul variety; it was not close. Also Henning appeared to have another case for kick catch interference on a fair catch, although that is a silly penalty to exist.

MISCELLANEOUS

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[Barron]

Snow makes for some nice pictures. See above. Also:

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[Barron]

Return to clock management rabbling. Michigan ended up kicking a field goal from the eleven on first and ten because they ran out of time on a drive that started with 4:10 left on the clock. They also took two timeouts to the locker room with them. This is, of course, a horrible disaster. Michigan was far too focused on running the clock down so that Nebraska would not have another drive, but even that attempt at an explanation starts to fall apart deep into the debacle. Let's pick it up with 1:12 remaining in the half. Michigan has a third and two at the 34:

  • Dive play does not convert, Michigan faces fourth and one. Play is over with 1:04 left. Michigan lets the clock run al lthe way down to 37 seconds before Nebraska calls timeout because they can't get lined up. This vaguely defensible because it's fourth down and you'd be giving them a minute from their own 30. IMO it is wrong since 90% of the time you convert and you should not be hedging based on that possibility.
  • Corum converts. Clock stops with 32 seconds left. Michigan has three timeouts. They lose four seconds before the snap but at least they go tempo and get it off quickly.
  • Run for seven yards, Nebraska penalty for illegal substitution is declined, and then the clock runs from 23 seconds to 14 before the snap gets off. Michigan still has three timeouts.
  • Endzone shot to Wilson is well covered and incomplete. 10 seconds.
  • Slant to Johnson gets down to the 11, five seconds.
  • Field goal.

Michigan could have saved 13 seconds with timeouts even after the fourth down conversion. From the eleven with 18 seconds left you probably have three shots at the endzone.

Clear enough now. Now it is time to talk about Playoff Plan B. A hypothetical 11-1 Michigan is certainly behind the following teams:

  1. Georgia.
  2. OSU.
  3. TCU at 13-0.
  4. Tennessee at 11-1.
  5. USC at 12-1.

And they may be behind the following teams:

  1. TCU at 12-1.
  2. Clemson at 12-1.

At this point I assume Georgia and OSU 100% in for our Plan B scenario, and Tennessee is all but locked in. They're a 21-point favorite against South Carolina this weekend and finish their regular season with Vandy. Wins over LSU and Alabama plus a nonconference win over a decent Pitt team give them a distinct resume advantage over 11-1 M.

Things are more hopeful for the other two teams. TCU:

  • @ Baylor (TCU -2)
  • Iowa State
  • B12 Championship, probably against Kansas State

USC:

  • @ UCLA (USC –2.5)
  • Notre Dame
  • P12 Championship, probably against Oregon or Utah.

Both teams are considerably under 50% to make it the rest of the way without a loss, but Michigan needs both to lose and may need TCU to drop two. Even though TCU's nonconference schedule wasn't much different than Michigan's (a horrible Colorado team, FCS, SMU), there's a fair chance the committee will look more favorably at TCU's schedule since the Big Ten is so bad this year, and they'd also have a conference title and extra win as tiebreakers.

Clemson, meanwhile, is likely to get to 12-1 with maybe one ranked win and a demolition at the hands of Notre Dame. If Michigan loses a competitive game against OSU, which beat ND in the opener, the bet here is that Michigan gets the nod since the resumes will be so similar that they'll resort to the eye test, which massively favors Michigan since Michigan is demolishing opponents and Clemson is eking by teams.

One oddity: it looks like the M/OSU winner is in even if they somehow lose the Big Ten title game, because they'd be 12-1 with a win over the other. Also either team could lose this weekend and easily get in at 12-1.

HERE

Best and Worst:

Worst:  Where’s The Explosions?

One of the few consistent complaints about this season, and really for a lot of Jim Harbaugh’s tenure, is that his teams can be a bit predictable in his offensive playcalling, that he tries to impose his will on a game without necessarily taking into account what the opponent’s doing or what future opponents may glean from it.  In about half of Harbaugh’s tenure (2016, 2017, 2022) Michigan has ran for more yards than they’ve passed, and in the years they haven’t it’s typically because he lacks a solid offensive line and running backs, not because he has suddenly fallen in love with the vertical passing game.  But he also doesn’t seem to run the ball out of a prehistoric adherence to tradition or risk-aversion per se; he’s not a Kirk Ferentz-type who lacks offensive creativity.  He just plays to his team’s strength and astutely recognizes that running the ball doesn’t equate to a boring, plodding offense.  Case in point, Michigan was in the top 10 last year in terms of plays that went over 40 yards and this year they’re #45 nationally but are a mere 4 plays outside of the top 10 again.  The difference this season versus last in terms of explosiveness isn’t on the ground, as they’ve got 6 40+ runs on the year compared to 9 last season, but in the passing game where they’ve only got 5 on the season (the same as MSU) while last year they had 14 (again tied with MSU).

State of our Open Threads:

Here's the engagement picture, which was also driven by a sole factor this week:

The overall efficiency was 1.85, which is very consistent with the borderline world of the maddening win / close loss, both of which elicit the same sorts of reactions and general statistics in this study. However, it was driven by this being a smaller thread (1,837 posts) with 276 mentions of "JJ" and 192 mentions of "Harbaugh", both of which are tracked words, in the overall total of 993 tracked instances. If you took just those out, the number of tracked is down to 523 and the overall efficiency becomes 3.52, which is similar to the Penn State game.

So, basically, we're on edge despite being a very good team. We're all very likely on edge for the same reason - we look forward to and dread November 26th at the same time, just like any year in the past where we've been highly touted and highly ranked going into that game.

Would you like to know the Big Ten West scenarios? No? Well, too bad.

ELSEWHERE

Bruce Feldman has a deep dive on Biff Poggi:

He’s a guy even the most die-hard fans probably wouldn’t recognize. His name is Biff. He’s 62, and he may be the most interesting man in coaching right now.

“I think Biff’s presence there is huge,” says Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator Mike Macdonald, who ran the Wolverines defense in 2021. “He’s kind of like the consigliere. He’s really the only guy that is willing to hash it out with (Harbaugh).”

Andrew Kahn is on the Flavor Flav beat:

“For the first time ever in life, I got to see my favorite college football team play in person,” he said. “I’ve been a fan since I was young. When I was little, their helmets excited me. And then I got into the team, and I found out the team was pretty good.”

Tom VanHaaren's recap has a reassuring quote from Blake Corum:

"I could play a whole another season. No, but, you know, I'm good, I'm feeling great," Corum said. "I feel that I just continue to get better. You know, I treat my body really good."

I ran across this from Peyton Thorne in the AP story about the MSU-Rutgers game when we were doing our Around The Big Ten segment with Jamie:

"Getting three of the last four is really good, and the one that we dropped (at Michigan) it could have been very different, a couple of plays here and there."

Dude. What? Michigan outrushed MSU TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY-SIX TO THIRTY-SEVEN. The final margin was 22 points. What do those couple of plays look like? A meteor landing on the Michigan offensive line?

Speaking of Jamie, jeez:

Those are giant gaps in the Success Rate world. All Michigan is lacking is some explosion on offense and they're all the way there.

This week's SP+ now has Michigan within 2.3 points of OSU, meaning that the Buckeyes would be about a five point favorite in the Horseshoe. Penn State, incredibly, is seventh in the nation. Your top-ranked West team is #16 Minnesota. Illinois has slid to 26th; they now look like Man Coverage Iowa with the #97 offense and #4 defense.

Comments

Bo Harbaugh

November 14th, 2022 at 12:03 PM ^

JJ has no touch on deep balls.  It's the 1 obvious flaw with this team.  If not for UGA, we'd probably be able to still win a National Championship this year, as every other aspect of this team is good to elite, and besides UGA every other team has obvious flaws.

Not having a vertical passing game, particularly this year, really suck as the road to the Championship would look doable and many of us expected JJ would be the missing piece.  

Instead, he looks to be a better running, worse passing game manager than Cade.

UMForLife

November 14th, 2022 at 12:24 PM ^

I am not sure about your first statement. From what Brian is saying, the coaches seem to favor a sure ball than a ball that could be contested. JJ was able to hit those earlier in the year even though those teams were terrible. It is not like he forgot that in a span of a few weeks. Jury is still out. 

The Homie J

November 14th, 2022 at 1:03 PM ^

I'm not a QB coach or anything like it, but I think his issue is actually a pretty easy one in theory.  To me, the deep balls aren't working because of the angle of his throws.  From watching a lot of football this year, when QB's drop back and launch a bomb, the nose of the ball is usually more upward rather than forward.  When the nose of the ball is pointed up, the ball goes up for a bit, kinda hovers long enough for a WR to judge and track it, before falling straight down in the WR's hands.  This makes the "basket" throws work, but it also gives the safety or DB an extra second to also track the ball.

JJ seems to throw every pass, even the longer ones, the same way.  It's just a straight laser at the receiver.  Most QB's don't even have the arm to rifle a laser throw that far down the field, but he does.  This means the ball gets to the WR faster, which gives them less time to adjust to the throw, and also makes it harder to track the ball since it's coming straight forward, rather than a gentle up-and-down arc.

I've seen JJ throw it upwards to on occasion, and from memory, those are usually the balls that get caught.  And the way he throws it is great for any pass under 15-20 yards.  But for the deep shots, he has to get more comfortable at arcing the ball to the receiver, rather than trying to always thread the needle.  Now this may be a function of Jim wanting to be conservative, and thus not wanting any passes that give the defense any slight advantage towards an interception, but it's also the only real way to complete most of your passes far down the field.

For comparison's sake: watch the ball Cade throws to Cornelius Johnson in this article.  Despite Cade's lack of JJ-level arm strength, the ball gets to where it needs to be and then DIES right into his arms.  CJ has time to track it, and never has to break stride for an easy catch.  Now compare that to this throw to Roman Wilson against Maryland.  JJ RIPS it and ball never really arcs up or down.  The ball is 20 yards over Roman's head before it takes a long dive well ahead of him.  Roman never even has a chance to judge that ball.  And ideally, the nose of the football should hit the turf first, but JJ's throws are all line drives (to my untrained eye).

 

JamieH

November 14th, 2022 at 1:15 PM ^

Exactly this.  The best deep balls float a bit and then drop, letting the receiver adjust to the ball while the DB is not able to get their head around.

JJ has so much arm strength that he throws things on a line 40 yards downfield, but his receivers don't have any time to adjust so unless it is PERFECT it is hard to catch.  

 

dragonchild

November 14th, 2022 at 2:20 PM ^

This is easier said than done, though.  Let's start by blowing up one notion:  Deep balls are not about velocity.  They are about timing.

The receiver's going full speed.  You can't watch for several seconds and then sail it; a human bullet like Roman Wilson's out the back of the end zone by then!  So to loft a deep ball, you need to throw it earlier, which means anticipating fasterMore hangtime = less pocket time.  For the QB, the moonball is a bang-bang play!  It takes a while to arrive, but it's out quickly.

Now, IF you've got the arm to still get the ball there on time (like JJ), it's mentally easier to survey for a couple seconds and adjust to what you're seeing.  Compared to that, the moonball is an advanced skill.  It looks easy, but you're not mindlessly chucking it up.  You're hitting an imaginary spot in a time several seconds in the future, with extreme precision at long range, and with far less information than if you stood in the pocket before letting it rip.  The ability to do that against real competition is often indicative of getting drafted (Trace McSorley, Jake Rudock, Connor Cook, Day's QBs).  It's really really hard, is what I'm saying.

I think Brian has it wrong.  JJ's avoiding the perfect throw.  He's attempting the one he knows he can make.  It's not the ideal throw, no; as you say, it gives the receiver less time to adjust.  The moonball is better, if you can do it consistently.  But JJ's still a young QB; for now, he still needs the extra time in the pocket.

Blue In NC

November 14th, 2022 at 2:48 PM ^

I think your analysis is right on but the moonball is not necessarily better.  Yes, it allows for more WR adjustment time but also has some negatives.  Not many can throw slightly arcing 40 yard throws but I seem to remember players like Elway and some others hitting guys way downfield without resorting to moonballs and those receivers did fine.  But he hit them in stride generally.

dragonchild

November 14th, 2022 at 3:06 PM ^

Neither's easy, and both take time.  By Elway I think you mean NFL Elway, who had much more time to practice with his receivers, because NFL.

Rudock was able to hit his receivers in stride by the end, but it took most of the season to get there.  "Rudock can't complete deep balls" was a theme in '15, and Brian correctly deduced it was because he was unfamiliar with his receivers.

JJ's in a similar situation.  He wasn't the starter last season, and he's coming off arm surgery.  He just hasn't had the time to synchronize the deep ball with his receivers.  But between the two, it's easier (for the QB, anyway) to put the ball on a frozen rope (again, IF you have the physical ability) than drop it into an invisible bucket.

The Homie J

November 14th, 2022 at 3:12 PM ^

I think you make a great point.  Maybe the way he's throwing them now is easier mentally, and with more reps, he might be able to throw it the other way.  But I found this pass against Hawaii, which is EXACTLY how he needs to thread his passes, so he can clearly do it.  Maybe he's not great throwing that way in the wind, or just can't hit every throw this way yet, but this is the ideal way the ball should float.  Nose slightly up, travels as far as it needs to, then DIVES right into the bread basket.

 

dragonchild

November 14th, 2022 at 4:02 PM ^

Yeah, we know he has the physical ability to throw that pinpoint lob.  But with Hawaii, they were up 21-0 in the 2nd quarter.  It was into double coverage, but by then it was actually more important to audition the QBs!

They've been trying deep balls intermittently against conference opponents, but the risk tolerance is vastly different.  Many of our opponents are playing their safeties back, and we've been down at halftime on occasion.  It's easy for us to say "moonball's a moonball", but I'm saying mentally it's an entirely different pass.  Altogether.

dragonchild

November 14th, 2022 at 3:15 PM ^

That's probably because for the out, the receiver's not far from where the ball will be caught.  So, the receiver himself serves as a visual reference point.

With a moonball, at the time of the release the receiver's nowhere near where the ball's headed -- it's an empty patch of grass.  There's nothing within twenty yards to help you gauge the distance.

"Throwing at grass" still kind of applies with the downfield lazer, too, but again, the luxury of standing in the pocket before slinging it gives JJ's brain more information to process -- and as the results show, that ain't easy either.  But to get the ball out earlier, he needs to play the game faster -- much faster.

Durham Blue

November 15th, 2022 at 12:38 AM ^

JJ could learn from watching Payton Thorne toss deep balls.  I am only half joking.  Thorne's deep shots, which burned us more than a few times last season and this season, have that rainbow arc needed for the receiver to see the ball and adjust as necessary.  If it's short then it becomes a 50/50 shot as long as the deep safety isn't lurking nearby in which case it's less than 50/50.  But I'd rather see our receiver have a shot at the ball than no shot at all.   And if our guy has a shot and the other team intercepts it then you tip your cap and play on.  We may have to live with an INT or so per game but the advantages of long receptions outweigh that INT, IMO.

dragonchild

November 15th, 2022 at 9:31 AM ^

I don't think you understood my point.  JJ needs zero coaching on the lob itself.  None.  We've seen him do it; it's technically perfect.  So why isn't he throwing it?

Because unlike MSU our offense isn't desperate for glory-or-death plays, and JJ's not pouring it on against Hawai'i in a QB competition anymore.  The mental aspect of the game has changed.  He's standing in the pocket longer, and when you do that, if you're going to get the ball to the receiver in time, you HAVE to throw it faster.  There's no choice.  The later the ball goes out, the faster the throw has to be.

Lemme put it this way.  To keep things simple, let's assume a Wilson go route is fixed at 40 yards downfield.  Wilson can run that in 4.4 seconds, so that's what JJ has to get the ball to him.  That includes the snap, forming up, reading the field, and hangtime.  So if it takes you three seconds to get the ball out, it needs to arrive within the remaining 1.4 -- it's gonna need some zip.  If you want a nice pretty moonball with three seconds of hangtime instead, the ball needs to be out in 1.4 seconds.  That includes snap, setting feet, and forming up!  The ball needs to be out almost instantly.  That requires a very high level of confidence in the pre-snap read, and seeing your receivers run in your sleep.

So it's not about "how do we teach JJ to throw in a way he's already perfectly capable of throwing", it's, "how does he get the ball out earlier".  It's not JJ's throw that needs to be slowed down; it's the mental part of his game that needs to speed up.  That's not going to happen quickly.

Durham Blue

November 15th, 2022 at 10:48 PM ^

Great explanation.  I understand your point now, thank you.  Maybe JJ needs to sometimes ditch the post-snap reads and simply pick a WR to throw to based on who is defending him and where the safety or other CB help may be positioned on the field.  All this to get the ball out within a second or two and arc it to a spot on the field.  This may be the "Payton Thorne method".

njvictor

November 14th, 2022 at 12:52 PM ^

Receivers are straight up not getting separation. We're asking McCarthy to throw literally perfect balls everytime with zero margin of error. JJ is forced to throw balls that are slightly out in front in order to not risk them being picked off and our receivers aren't exactly good at jump balls. Literally the only receiver I trust to get separation on a deep ball is Wilson

headdead

November 14th, 2022 at 1:32 PM ^

I agree that separation is poor, but we should still try.

Having a deep pass intercepted is not always as terrible as a fumble or short pass interception, if the intended receiver can contain the opponent after the interception.  It's like a 50 yd punt (before 4th down) with a 5 or 10 yard return.

After JJ overthrew 2 deep passes back to back, I was hoping he would give it a 3rd shot.

bronxblue

November 14th, 2022 at 3:19 PM ^

The receivers haven't been great at getting separation but (a) it's not much different than last year unless you think all of them got slower in the offseason, and (b) he's missing guys open downfield even when they are open.  Anthony had yards of separation against Rutgers and McCarthy missed.  This throw to Johnson was ill-advised but would have been short even without the safety coming over.  Bell is wide open against PSU but McCarthy doesn't see him and instead throws an ill-advised ball that Corum saved.  There was another play against PSU where Wilson was wide open and McCarthy threw to the TE instead.  Hell, this throw to Bell against IU where Bell had to fight off the pick should have been a 30+ yard completion because Bell had 2 steps on the defender.

Teams are going to play close McCarthy hasn't shown an ability to make them pay for not respecting the downfield pass.  These receivers aren't great but they're capable of getting open and it's on McCarthy to make those throws work.  He really hasn't with any consistency in conference play.

Durham Blue

November 15th, 2022 at 12:45 AM ^

The feels are different being a starter vs the change of pace guy coming off the bench for a few plays.  The pressure is more or less off of you being the backup.  Last season JJ was asked to come in and light it up running and/or passing and he did exactly that.  This season he is commanding the offense and the spotlight is 100X brighter where mistakes and blemishes are exposed and analyzed to the fullest.

I believe JJ's "struggles" are mental and he will grow out of this phase and blossom into a death star.  I mean, he has the tools.  He's already shown them on multiple occasions.  Opposing teams know it based on how they seem to respect the pass more than the run (i.e. crazy given this team's rushing ability).  Hopefully JJ gets rid of the mental blocks before Nov. 26.

smotheringD

November 14th, 2022 at 12:57 PM ^

According to Weiss, it sounds like he has the touch in practice.  I'm trying to remember if he hit any deep ones in his first game starting when his percentage was like 90% (I believe his only incompletion was a drop.)

Is he overthrowing guys because it's been drilled into his head to never, never, never throw a pic?

I mean, everything else is humming along great.  What if JJ just needs to relax, have fun, and pretend he's playing 7 on 7?  Or backyard football?

Both Gardner and Klatt said they believe the passing game is struggling because of not enough game reps to work out the kinks and get the details down.

One more exhibition game to try and get it fixed...

Still, really enjoying this season.  Beat Illinois!

AlbanyBlue

November 14th, 2022 at 6:56 PM ^

Is he overthrowing guys because it's been drilled into his head to never, never, never throw a pic?

This is the correct answer, as far as I am concerned. Harbaugh has drilled this into every single one of his starting QBs during his tenure at Michigan. Risk-aversion.

As I have maintained this season, and also for much of 2021, I'm not going to bitch about it, because it's working. Harbaugh's philosophy requires an elite OL -- which we are getting thanks to Sherrone Moore -- and elite RBs -- thanks, Mike Hart -- to be maximally effective. That's because the passing game is going to be what it is.

"Three things can happen when you pass, and two of them are bad." This is clearly Harbaugh's mantra, so there's no need to overcomplicate anything. Harbaugh teams pass primarily when they have to, but they'd really rather not, if they can avoid it. And in 2022, they have been able to avoid it -- thus far.

micheal honcho

November 14th, 2022 at 10:34 PM ^

Amen. This is the identity of a Jim Harbaugh team. Make no mistake, he’s daring opponents to stuff 7-8 guys in the box to stop Corum. At which point the separation that makes even a pedestrian passing O highly dangerous will be there. Nobody is loading the box on us. I have my suspicions that 15yrs of the CFB spread and shred has left teams without the personal(LBs) with the size & toughness to stand up to pulling guards and 240lb TEs coming with bad intent and Mr. Harbaugh has recognized and is exploiting this to our benefit. The comparison to service academies is very fitting. They dictate your D strategy no matter what you might want to do. Only with better, bigger athletes at M and a capable passing attack your stuck. You don’t have Urlacher, Sam Sword, Dahani Jones type LBs to keep the safeties clean so pick your poison. Leave them in the field and give up 6ypc or drop em down and watch that TE catch it at 12 yds and go 40. 

bronxblue

November 14th, 2022 at 3:01 PM ^

I loved how those plays worked out but it's telling that those throws came against mediocre G5 defenses in WMU and NIU (much like his downfield success this year in the first 3 games).  I think McCarthy has sufficient touch to make those throws but Baldwin catching some questionable bombs against backup MAC defenders in blowouts probably skewed our expectations as a fanbase.

Naked Bootlegger

November 14th, 2022 at 3:45 PM ^

His 2nd long TD of the season to Baldwin was indeed against Wisconsin in mop up duty.   I witnessed it in person. It was a gorgeous, high arc pass that hit Baldwin in stride.   A thing of football beauty.    

He's completely capable of throwing the long ball, but it just hasn't materialized often this year.    It could be merely the difference of garbage time versus the pressure cooker of meaningful snaps earlier in the game against presumably better competition.   I am not capable of analyzing his throwing mechanics to see if anything changed post surgery.   But I do know is that he is more than capable of throwing a nice deep ball.

CompleteLunacy

November 14th, 2022 at 5:59 PM ^

I think fans are having tunnel vision with JJ. He clearly has an issue with deep balls right now. But completing deep balls are tricky, and we simply don't attempt that many to begin with (people would be feeling different if we had completed just 2-3 of them in the last few weeks).

And everything else JJ has done better than Cade. Short and intermediate throws, with few exceptions, have been crisp and on target. You don't get to ~70% completion percentage after ten games by accident. We can't look at that and also say  "gosh we have no passing offense". That's clearly hyperbole. "No passing offense" is Shane Morris vs. Minnesota, 7 of 19 for 49 yards and 1 INT. No passing offense is John O'Korn vs. anybody other than Purdue that one time. We have a passing offense. It isn't great, but I'm not sure if it even needs to be given our elite-level run game production this year. 

jsquigg

November 14th, 2022 at 7:23 PM ^

That is simply not true. JJ has been throwing with touch and it has either been inaccurate or he has had some bad luck. 

My best guess is that culturally they are hyper-focused on being dominant in the run game. They devote the majority of their attention to developing it in practice because they feel it gives them the best opportunity to beat Ohio State. I can't refute their focus, although like everyone else I wish they could develop the passing game more and use the threat of the run more to set up explosive pass plays.

 My hunch is that they have a more diverse game plan for "The Game," but the process does matter and I hope they aren't foiled by an inadequate passing game.

BuckeyeChuck

November 14th, 2022 at 12:07 PM ^

In regards to running on 3rd & 6:

This is not a conservative playcall. It is the logical thing to do when you are mashing them off the ball like Michigan was in this game. You can try a pass and maybe you convert. Running almost inevitably sets up a fourth and short, which almost inevitably converts. The math starts to get weird when you can deform a game like this. At times this year Michigan has felt a little bit like a service academy, at least in terms of what the third and fourth down math looks like.

This points to something that will be in the piece I'm preparing for next week: Michigan is #1 in the nation in Line Yards on passing downs. It's absolutely the best thing for Michigan to do on 3rd & 6 in plus territory when you know you'll go for it on 4th down.

stephenrjking

November 14th, 2022 at 12:07 PM ^

My only guess as to why Michigan is as unimpressive as it is passing this year is that the passing identity is basically the same as it has been for the entire Harbaugh era.

But the running game is the best Harbaugh has fielded here. So there has yet to be a situation where Michigan needs to pass successfully to win. Even last year Michigan needed to make serious plays through the air against Wisconsin and MSU (Cade threw for over 300 yards on the road!). Michigan hasn’t been remotely challenged on the ground this year, so all of the passing attempts are just academic exercises anyway. So far.

Obviously, I’d prefer things to be different and I believe we have the personnel to be better. But Michigan is who it is and that wasn’t going to change against a Nebraska team that had no chance of winning. 

TrueBlue2003

November 14th, 2022 at 12:48 PM ^

Are you suggesting we just haven't opened up the passing playbook yet (but that we did against WIsconsin and MSU last year)?

I don't really agree and we have plenty tape.  JJ isn't hitting his deep balls and to Brians point here, he's often not making the right reads or throws.

I think there has to be some reversion to decent on the deep balls.  The reads are bit more problematic but he's a first year starter.  Probably not getting better this year but should be improved in that dept next year.

But I do think we probably have a lot more in the playbook that will likely need to be deployed in The Game.  And we'll have to throw for volume for the first time.

stephenrjking

November 14th, 2022 at 1:03 PM ^

Are you suggesting we just haven't opened up the passing playbook yet (but that we did against WIsconsin and MSU last year)?

No, I’m suggesting that Michigan hasn’t needed or wanted to pass in volume. JJ has command of the entire playbook, from all appearances, but after some early trigger-pulls on passing in recent weeks Michigan has chosen to stick with the sure-thing runs rather than continue to insist on passes that are less efficient and would be even if there were more completions.

Michigan needed to pass last year because the running game struggled against Wisconsin and MSU. Not horrifyingly so, but it wasn’t a sure thing; this year it has, so far, been a sure thing.

he's often not making the right reads or throws

These are two significantly different things.

JJ isn’t perfect at reads (few are; that GOTY between the Bills and Vikes yesterday included both QBs making some pretty bad decisions) but he has been as good as Cade was at least. He sees stuff presnap fine, generally chooses the correct receiver based on initial progression, and is at the least no worse than other Michigan QBs at zone read pulls and RPOs.

He had misplaced some passes downfield. He joins a long list of Harbaugh QBs who have done so. I wrote extensively (and very harshly) about this phenomenon in 20 and early 21. Some of the facts and predictions haven’t changed, but I feel no need to revisit those discussions in detail when a portion of my concluding thesis involving the ability of the coaches to achieve certain important accomplishments was comprehensively disproven in the final weeks of the season. 

TrueBlue2003

November 14th, 2022 at 1:17 PM ^

It's not just volume that's the problem though.

In the last two games, we've been under 50% completion percent.  In the last four games we're sitting at about 6.5 yards per pass.  That's very low. And included a game against MSU! Nebraska is the only game in the last four that ticked above 7 ypp, barely at 129 yards on 17 attempts.

I agree that the volume hasn't needed to be there and I'm not complaining about throwing only 17 times but the efficiency has also been pretty bad.  It should be the other way around when you're dominating on the ground and only have to pass sporadically.

And fine, Brian said he's not making the right throws.  I won't comment on the reads because it would just be anecdotal without proper data.  I may be overly annoyed about him trying to fit it into Schoonmaker when Loveland was wide open so on the whole the reads may not be worse than Cade, I dunno.

The downfield accuracy is absolutely not great (where Cade was good in this dept all year last year).

 

stephenrjking

November 14th, 2022 at 1:50 PM ^

In the last two games, we've been under 50% completion percent.  In the last four games we're sitting at about 6.5 yards per pass.  That's very low. And included a game against MSU! Nebraska is the only game in the last four that ticked above 7 ypp, barely at 129 yards on 17 attempts.

Mostly an issue of drops, sprinkle in a bit of a "level of difficulty" factor for the number of deep balls attempted, which have smaller margins for error. 

 I may be overly annoyed about him trying to fit it into Schoonmaker when Loveland was wide open so on the whole the reads may not be worse than Cade, I dunno.

That was a fantastic throw, everything we've wanted to see from a Michigan QB in the Harbaugh era. He had a man, knew the man could catch it, threw the ball where his man could catch it and no one else.

Yes, Loveland happened look open at the end of the play. But this is an area where armchair fans frequently get things way, way wrong: you cannot accurately criticize a QB simply by looking at an instant replay and observing that a guy has a lot of space and the guy that got thrown to had less. Passing plays are designed with a specific progression of reads built in. It is, literally, written into the playbook which read they should make first. The QBs are not supposed to look at the whole field after the snap, pick the most open player, and throw it; they are supposed to make the reads in order and throw when they read that a receiver should be open. 

In the Schoonmaker case, his first read was Corum out of the backfield to the right. Corum was covered, and so McCarthy chose to attack the coverage on Schoonmaker. It is true that he looked just a touch long, which allowed the safety to cheat over--if he had looked at Loveland instead, that same safety that came over the top on Schoonmaker would have charged up and gotten to Loveland, probably even sooner. Doesn't matter, though: The next place he looked was Schoonmaker, and he saw that he could connect with him, and he fired. Exactly what he should do.

The Schoonmaker throw is everything we've wanted to see: A QB making an elite throw in a difficult window to a plus player. Schoonmaker couldn't make the catch, but if that dreaded scenario occurs where Michigan needs to pass aggressively to win, this is exactly the kind of throw we want JJ to be able to make, the kind of play that can dissect a defense that has the right play in place, the kind of play that can beat a team like Georgia, that can score a TD in the final minute on the road against Ohio State.

I want more of that, not less. 

Koop

November 14th, 2022 at 11:17 PM ^

Re the level of difficulty in the past two weeks: yep. Passing game was unnecessary against either opponent, and so the pass attempts were either deep or possession—nothing in-between, i.e., no intermediate throws at which JJ has excelled. Adding to that, Michigan’s two starting TE’s (Schoonmaker and All) were out for most of the past two games. Schoonmaker is the team’s second leading pass-catcher after Bell. 

In short, concerns about the passing game based on the past two games are significantly overblown. 

bronxblue

November 14th, 2022 at 2:58 PM ^

I would push back a bit against the idea that McCarthy's downfield struggles are similar to what we saw last year, for example.  Cade had a DSR last year of around 65% while (per UFR) McCarthy is apparently at 86%.  The first number feels about right; the latter doesn't quite pass the sniff test because he's not being asked to make a lot of those throws (and he's missing when he does).  And if you look at ancillary stats I think it gives a more complete picture.  I've been tracking McCarthy's ypa in conference and it's around 7.1 ypa; Cade's last year was 7.8 and even broken Shea Patterson in 2019 was 8.5.  I think the offense has adjusted to what they perceive to be his limitations (and the overall receiving corps) expertly, but it feels like last year we spent a season bemoaning a passing attack that never got off the ground but are sorta whistling past an objectively worse one because the running game has been so dominant (and the schedule so unimpressive) that it hasn't been dragged into the spotlight.

jbrandimore

November 14th, 2022 at 12:09 PM ^

I’m going to be contrarian here.

 I don’t believe any conference should ever get two teams in the CFP, so if we lose to OSU I hope we don’t get picked.

From a practical point of view, I would also like to win a major bowl game. It’s been 12 years.