How To Have A Football Team Without Tackles Comment Count

Brian

[Bryan Fuller]

Site note: due to an extensive and very frustrating search to replace the media file conversion program step in the UFR process things are going to be delayed a day. Finding a non-scammy FFMPEG wrapper is the hardest thing to do in the world, except recruit tackles, I guess.

You may ask yourself "how does a bonafide P5 team of some repute enter a season with no functional tackles?" Well, here's how. Bolded players are recruits who are not on the roster whether via decommit or other reason.

2014

Michigan enters the season with—surprise—an insufficient number of tackles due to poor recruiting. The late RichRod era's recruiting collapse saw literally zero junior or senior tackles make it to the 2014 roster. Erik Magnuson, an early Hoke pickup, flips out from guard to start a fairly good three-year career at right tackle. None of the other recruits are ready; most will never be ready.

The most ready of the unready: Mason Cole, a true freshman. He starts at left tackle. He is a very good freshman offensive lineman, which means he's barely surviving. Michigan has to play him; a stable program with guys in the pipeline gets a redshirt on him, and likely makes him available this year.

The dissolution of the Hoke era is in full swing at this juncture; Michigan only picks up one other OL in this recruiting class. That's Juwann Bushell-Beatty, who gave up seven pressures on Saturday.

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2015

The Hoke era implodes spectacularly, taking Michigan's recruiting with it. Hoke does manage to leave Harbaugh one parting gift: Grant Newsome. Newsome looks to be on his way towards a productive career when a Wisconsin defensive back submarines him on an edge run, leading to a 40-day hospital stay and eventually Newsome's medical retirement.

The only other OL in the class are Jon Runyan Jr, who just gave up eight pressures on Saturday, and Nolan Ulizio, who had a brief and rather disastrous starting tenure at the beginning of last year. Runyan is a legacy recruit Hoke acquired. Ulizio is the first OL recruit of the Harbaugh era, a wild swing in the dark at a Kentucky commit. Michigan does pick up Ty Wheatley Jr, a tight end who Michigan wants to move to tackle for basically his whole career because he keeps showing up near 300 pounds. He refuses and eventually transfers.

2016

Harbaugh's first full class has no tackles in it. Michigan does pick up Ben Bredeson, who's listed as an OT by recruiting sites but after an offseason battle with Newsome for the LT job as a true freshman gets moved to guard and is apparently never again a consideration to play outside.

hamilton

Hamilton (right) is the most painful decommit in a minute

Devery Hamilton decommits late in the cycle, which blindsides Michigan despite the fact that Hamilton's high school coach has a kid on the team. Hamilton sees significant LT snaps for Stanford as a redshirt freshman and is now starting at guard for them. Erik Swenson is booted from the class in December when Michigan had to know many months before that they didn't want him. Michigan replaces him with Stephen Spanellis, who looks like he'll be a good player but who has also gotten no consideration at tackle.

2017

Michigan airballs on a ton of guys who they seemed in play for at one point: Aaron Banks, Alex Leatherwood, Isaiah Wilson, Jedrick Wills, Kai-Leon Herbert (a decommit), and Mekhi Becton all head elsewhere. A number of those are the sort of guy who can play immediately. Some do not because they're at Alabama or Georgia or Notre Dame; Becton immediately walks into Louisville's starting lineup.

Michigan takes Chuck Filiaga,—another guy who is permanently a guard—Andrew Stueber, and Joel Honigford. They move James Hudson over from defense in fall camp. All redshirt, so hooray for that. None were able to push through the starting tackles. So boo to that.

2018

These are true freshmen who should not be expected to play. Michigan may have gotten lucky on Jalen Mayfield, a man growing by the day, and could end up inserting him so he can be Mason Cole. Ryan Hayes is about 30 pounds too light to play.

So...

There is a world where Michigan has Newsome and Cole at tackle, but we are clearly not on the good timeline. Even so, the number of bolded names here is too low to point the finger at the general bloody-mindedness of the universe, and three of those are bad decisions or recruiting by the Michigan coaching staff: trusting the commitment of a kid who visited Stanford, not pulling the trigger on Swenson fast enough to find a real replacement, and taking and then losing Herbert.

The rest of it is a litany of recruiting misses by Drevno. Some of those are understandable and a natural cost of going and getting a sitting NFL coach. When Harbaugh and Drevno hit the ground in 2015 they'd been out of the recruiting game for four years and had three weeks to do anything. Missing there is understandable.

The bomb that just went off is most traceable back to the 2016 class, which should have had four tackles in it and had zero. Michigan swung and missed at a lot of top-end guys in 2017, a class that did almost have four tackles in it. It's a much harder ask to go up against Alabama and Georgia's cash than it is to find a solid prospect who will be ready by year three; once Drevno failed in his second year the goose was more or less cooked. Greg Frey's recruiting style is excellent in the long term but does not usually produce year-one starters.

Comments

Lou MacAdoo

September 5th, 2018 at 1:14 PM ^

What you need to be successful in recruiting is someone that's willing to get dirty. Someone with no shame or conscience that's willing to do anything to seal the deal. Someone that'll whip their dick out at the a place you'd never expect it. Someone that'll go to work with a butt plug in and ball lifter on under his suit. Well, that man is available. Let's go get him. /s

Lou MacAdoo

September 5th, 2018 at 3:52 PM ^

Yes it was an attempt at humor and no I don’t think we should hire anybody like him. Also, I was pointing to the fact that I think that’s why he was in charge of recruiting at Ohio State and one of the reasons he was protected. Sad but true. Also, I’ve been reading this blog for 10 years and not once have I read something that was posted by a kid. Well besides WD at least. I mean have you read some of the stuff that’s been written on this blog just in the last month? Sorry if my post pushed you over the edge.  

Lou MacAdoo

September 5th, 2018 at 6:35 PM ^

I hear you. To be honest with you my kids are only one and three so I don’t even think about it when posting. Now that you’ve made me think about it, I feel bad for contributing to the problem. It was posted out of frustration and some thoughts just shouldn’t be posted. I blame Ohio State. I didn’t know something called a ball lifter even existed a month ago. 

Seth

September 5th, 2018 at 10:45 PM ^

I disagree. Sales is about knowing what you have to offer that your customer values. Urban Meyer is one kind of salesman but I do sales too and if I tried to do it Urban's way or he tried mine neither of us would succeed. Greg Mattison is a great recruiter. He's flat honest and humble and himself, and he knows everyone in football because he's coached at every level of it. It's not about getting dirty, but it is about putting in the effort to get to know your clients and what their needs are, and keeping up those lines of communication. I think Drevno preferred to go to coaching clinics much more than calling Mekhi Becton. I can't blame him, except if you're the OL coach and offensive coordinator of a major college program recruiting is a big part of your job.

stephenrjking

September 5th, 2018 at 3:15 PM ^

Honest question: Other than message board firebrands like Maizen, was there anyone who was following recruiting enough to be able to draw that conclusion that actually said so? We were excited for the top 5ish class and the future was bright, but this seems like something that could at least be filed in a "something worth watching" column. 

reshp1

September 5th, 2018 at 1:24 PM ^

Academics cuts both ways. It's a draw for certain recruits, but takes others off the board entirely. Harbaugh and facilities are great and should give us an edge on many schools, but still leaves plenty of competition on that same level. The weather sucks and geographically Michigan isn't a great producer of talent. What recruits are in the region we have to pull from OSU, PSU, ND, and MSU. I also presume Michigan doesn't have certain monetary leverage at it's disposal. I'm honestly surprised we do as well as we do. 

jamesjosephharbaugh

September 5th, 2018 at 11:51 AM ^

so let's say we go get a bunch of good ones for the next class.  I assume tackles usually need a couple years to grow and develop before being starter ready.  

if harbaugh survives with his employment intact and, assuming we maintain halfway decent recruiting success on the rest of the team, and assuming don MF brown stays a few more years....

 

we could have a pretty good year in 2021 with joe milton under center?

Salinger

September 5th, 2018 at 11:52 AM ^

Brian, thanks for the succinct write-up. It's clear Michigan's tackle problem is a product of poor recruiting, but one wonders how to play around this glaring hole in the team?

 

Is this the kind of thing that leads to Tackle over ah-la Brady Hoke? Not saying we do that, but maybe it gives credence to why that decision was made back then?

 

Is a big percentage of last Saturday's oh-Sweet-Jeebus-Our-Tackles-Are-Not-Tackles-They-Are-Just-Statues-In-Disguise really about Notre Dame being a much better outfit than we had previously given them credit for? Maybe a portion of it is?

 

Is it possible that we see Runyon make some improvements the way Kyle Kalis did his senior year (he went from being basically bad to slightly not good)? And if so, is that enough?

 

Watching Shea operate the offense it is very clear that he can get the ball to playmakers when given time and opportunity. It would be a shame if we are yet again in a position of well the tackles suck so there goes the season. 

 

Realizing now that this is a just a bunch of rambling questions that I posit now to the board in hopes of some dialogue. The season has a long way to go, but it's clear that either personnel or strategic changes need to take place.

Salinger

September 5th, 2018 at 12:47 PM ^

To be fair, the question I shared is probably best addressed in a UFR, which he said will be a bit late in coming. I suspect there will be a dearth of information re: tackles in the upcoming UFR. I also saw/heard something from Seth about doing a sharpie or play breakdown on some of the tackle issues? Maybe I just dreamed that last part?

jamesjosephharbaugh

September 5th, 2018 at 11:54 AM ^

stupid stupid question because i don't know much about actual football playing, but is playing on the O line so radically different than the D Line?  I mean if this is such a huge problem, couldn't we live with a defense that drops from a top-5 defensive unit to a top-15ish if we could steal one of those guys and they could plug a hole at OT respectably well?  

or, in an alternate universe, surely there's some 300+ pound dudes waddling around U of M's campus that harbaugh could stick in there, right? how late can a walk on join the team?

sorry for being not smart about this stuff, just treat me like a 5 year old asking these questions and answer kindly.

Salinger

September 5th, 2018 at 11:57 AM ^

...is playing on the O line so radically different than the D Line?  I mean if this is such a huge problem, couldn't we live with a defense that drops from a top-5 defensive unit to a top-15ish if we could steal one of those guys and they could plug a hole at OT respectably well?

That is sort of what they did when they moved Hudson from DLine to OLine. 

There is a pretty big difference as well. OLine is a highly technique driven position. Just being strong and quick doesn't get you all the way there. Scheme matters. Leverage matters. Footwork matters. All of that is different from OLine to DLine. 

schreibee

September 5th, 2018 at 3:01 PM ^

And Paea. Both were deemed guys whose skillset could be possibly better employed on OLine.

As for the differences - by now you've perhaps seen the stunt where LT moves to his right to double while another DL loops around the stalemate & heads unimpeded towards Shea?

That type of synchronization is required EVERY SINGLE snap by OLine, whereas DL often just need to try to beat the guy across from them.

It is very different! 

Fezzik

September 5th, 2018 at 12:38 PM ^

Sadly it is not so easy as taking a good college DL and and turning him into a good OL. They are radically different positions. Most your DEs would be way too undersized to play OT. Most your interior DL would only be able to play interior OL. DL is an attacking downhill position where OL pass blocking has footwork not even related to DL play.

I am not saying its impossible to switch from one to the other and be good, but it is not something where you can just throw Rashan Gary at LT and our problems are solved either. Much more difficult than that.

colomon1988

September 5th, 2018 at 12:47 PM ^

I can't speak to NCAA Div-I lineman skills directly, but I did play both OL and DL in high school.  For OL, we had a playbook, maybe ten pages long, and we had to know what our blocking responsibility was for every play in the book.  Ideally we would know what EVERY offensive lineman's responsibility was for every play -- there was one period in junior year where I was the starting left tackle one game, then played center for the next three days in practice, and ended up being the starting right tackle on Friday.

On the other side, I was in the inside of the defensive line for the goal line package.  I don't remember any positional training at all, my job was basically to go in there and make sure nobody on the offense was able to move downfield within my arm span.

I'm sure the college game has a lot more going on, but I'm pretty sure the ratio of required knowledge for the two sides is about the same.

MEZman

September 5th, 2018 at 11:55 AM ^

Didn't they pass on Alaric Jackson who's a starter at Iowa as well? Or am I misremembering that?

 

Edit: Guy two posts up brought it up as well so I guess I'm not misremembering.

lhglrkwg

September 5th, 2018 at 11:56 AM ^

Really goes to show how whiffing on a key position group 1-2 classes in a row can screw an entire team. We saw that with QBs where Harbaugh pretty much had Speight and Speight only coming in. We see it now with missing on tackles in 2016. And I'm sure there's something to it with the 'Never Forget' back 7 of the Richrod days

If you're a good team that isn't recruiting plug-n-play 5 stars, you really gotta stay up on your depth chart year after year because one weak position group this year might be a 2-3 win swing for us. I don't think it's unreasonable to think we probably beat ND Saturday if we have Newsome and Cole (or similar bodies) at tackle

anwonadell

September 5th, 2018 at 12:15 PM ^

I'm going to guess it'd be difficult for Brian to do this until he UFRs the offense and gets a real handle on exactly what the gameplan was here.

But I agree, some discussion about formation (that double-tight I-form seemed to work well for at least a play) or play calls (how do we call a screen that involves OL moving out to block without getting the QB killed?) would have been more welcome than more focus on why we're in this painful situation. 

Salinger

September 5th, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^

AND YET!!!

A random review of the board since last Saturday's "catastrophe" would yield a high volume of posts that read something like "OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG how/why did this happen? and Why do our coaches suck so bad, and why is this alcohol not killing me yet?"

Brian gives answer to a question we ask maybe not anticipating that our asking is in fact rhetorical. We want to ask, but we do not want to be answered. We want those around us to feel bad, but we do not want to ourselves be made to feel bad about what we do and say? Better yet, he KNOWS our asking is rhetorical but because he's so incredibly sick of the jerks on this board being jerks he answers anyway as a much deserved "up yours" to that crowd of deserving recipients of which I count myself among them.

Diagonal Blue

September 5th, 2018 at 12:14 PM ^

And 2018 has two five star in-state offensive tackles and neither are going to Michigan. The rest of the commits are either interior prospects or guys that could play tackle or could play guard. I'd say Bryce Benhart and Trevor Keegan are must gets at this point.

Sopwith

September 5th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^

I was at that Wisconsin game in 2016 when Newsome got submarined. It's incredible to think that moment, as much as any other, would submarine Michigan's entire program for the next several years.

It was the one thread that undid the entire maize and blue sweater. I feel so cold... so cold... 

DonAZ

September 5th, 2018 at 12:47 PM ^

" ... can't find 2 damn kids to play even nationally average at this position for going on 4 years now."

I would think at the very least they could keep an eye on decent recruits who are leaning or committed to schools like Purdue, or Indiana, or Minnesota and poach them.  

I realize that's not the classiest way to operate, but I also realize it's not uncommon.

Edit -- this is supposed to be for the comment above, but for whatever reason the "reply" function isn't allocating the post to the proper place.

dragonchild

September 5th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^

Even if we say those kids are evenly distributed among the 22 positions, that's still 100k kids playing tackle in the US yearly.  

I find it incredibly ridiculous a staff being paid $10s of millions in salary and given all the resourced in the world to competitively recruit (e.g. private planes) can't find 2 damn kids to play even nationally average at this position for going on 4 years now.

That's an oversimplification worthy of the pointy-haired idiot from Dilbert.  There's no "even if" here; the positions are NOT distributed evenly, and wingspan-y giants with good lateral mobility are among the hardest athletes to find.  Among the thousands of people I've met in my life, I've known a number who played football and I don't think a single one had the frame of an FBS tackle.  Biased sample size because I'm a nerd, but these guys are legitimately rare.

That said, the problem is Drevno was given the resources and the directive to find these guys, but he put all his eggs in some home-run swings that could've paid off huge but wound up with nothing instead.  He wasn't unlucky -- recruits aren't slot machines, you can find out where they're going -- he approached the task more like a gambler with a problem.  "Gimme one more roll, baby, I'll make it all back!"  We could've made do with a bunch of 3-stars to develop into serviceable tackles, but Drevno didn't.

jamesjosephharbaugh

September 5th, 2018 at 3:12 PM ^

can't just be drevno.  seems like a problem good old matt "3 Star" Dudek should have been able to solve. 

mrkid

September 5th, 2018 at 12:20 PM ^

Mark Dantonio's OT recruiting since 2011:

2011 - 4

Skyler Schofner - 4 star

Michael Dennis - 3 star

Skyler Burkland - 4 star

Shawn Kamm - Unranked to 247

 

2012 - 3

Zach Higgins - 3 star

Kodi Keiler - 3 star

Jack Conklin - Unranked to 247 - 1st Round NFL Draft Pick

 

2013 - 1

Dennis Finley - 4 star

 

2014 - 3

Chase Gianacakos - 3 star

Miguel Machado - 3 star

Nick Padla - 3 star

 

2015 - 2

Noah Listermann - 3 star

Tyler Higby - 3 star

 

2016 - 3

Thiyo Lukusa - 3 star

Luke Campbell - 3 star

AJ Arcuri - 3 star

 

2017 - 1

Mustafa Khaleefah - 3 star

 

I chose 2011-2017 because these are the guys that would have been playing against Jim Harbaugh's teams. He managed to take 3 star tackles and field offensive lines that could beat Michigan.

Now, their tackles looked very suspect vs Utah State. Consistently getting beat around the edge. It will be very interesting to watch how their play continues throughout the season and when they play Michigan. Dantonio has obviously found a lot of success without highly ranked OT and even taking unranked Jack Conklin and turning him into a 1st round NFL draft pick.

I point all of this out to say, we should be able to field semi-competent OL with lesser talent, just like Mark Dantonio does. Oh, and I hate Mark Dantonio.

 

Salinger

September 5th, 2018 at 12:59 PM ^

This iteration of team has played one game against a top 15 team. Conversely, MSU played against Utah State who is not nearly as good as ND. They looked equally bad and eeked out a win in the last seconds of the game. 

Let's see how Michigan does against their cupcake.

The rest of your post is fair enough.

Honk if Ufer M…

September 5th, 2018 at 2:11 PM ^

Well since we struggled to chew & swallow our cupcakes and everyone else last year and looked pretty bad last week, and are a 500 team over the last EIGHTEEN games, and Western put 42 on the Orange, and apparently has playmakers and is willing to use them (I didn't see the game)........is Western really even a cupcake to our team?

With how flat we looked, felt & played last week, & how often that's been the case under Harbaugh, how terrible the coaching has been in so many unexpected and inexplicable ways from what can be seen from the outside, as well as the appalling things I've heard from the players I've known that has never been known publicly, and how teams seem to have figured out Don Brown, who openly states he'll not change anything with the combined stubbornness of Bo, Lloyd AND Harbaugh.....I'm just going to assume they will put 42 points on as too until I see otherwise!

If so can we out score them? Hopefully, maybe....

Honk if Ufer M…

September 5th, 2018 at 4:28 PM ^

Number one none of you would believe me whether I was specific or not. 

2. I believe and trust the guys and girls that have told me things (I've heard things from athletes in other sports as well, who are friends of or have dated fb guys) either because I knew them well enough or because of the context and ways things came up and were said, but I don't have actual proof, nor witnessed anything myself. I'm not at practices or workouts.

3. I don't have permission from the players to make it public & they aren't choosing to do so themselves and I don't want to betray trust.

4. If I relayed what I've heard I believe most of the people would or could realize it was me spilling the beans and I don't want that.

5. The player with the most, the most detailed, and most damning claims is someone that could be and would be seen by many as probably having an ax to grind because of not getting the playing time or chances he wanted. I think he was being honest for several reasons aside from how real and honest I always felt he was and I think if he was playing or starting he still would've told me, but I can't know for sure. 

Anyway, yes, some of it is just about treatment of players, some of it just about stupidity & incompetence, some is about treatment of players which is not only bad for that reason alone but if true is severely hurting the team's performance, and some is about treatment of & scapegoating of coaches & staff, which also hurts team and player performance.

I haven't heard anything about Rutgers basketball style physical abuse, outright intentionally physically hurting anyone, but probably unintentionally hurting, injuring or impairing conditioning through horseshit ideas, attitude, behavior and actions, and not listening to or giving a shit about complaints.

I am torn about saying anything or what to say or not say for many reasons. I could prove to Brian that I know players and prove that some of the allegations were made to me by at least one of the players, but I can't prove the actual allegations themselves.

I'd like to talk to him and see what he thinks I should or shouldn't do but would want a promise not to repeat anything without my permission. It drives me crazy to see so much misplaced blame on players and coaches from fans and mgobloggers about certain things.

If they're true and not going to change then I'd want it to come out but it might just hurt the program and players more.