Hello: Matthew Hibner
Hello posts are obligatory but this one is going to be pretty thin, folks: the articles were not flying thick and fast about a guy who's a three star largely because everyone with a P5 offer is a three star. We'll see if Hibner ends up rising like Erick All did last year. The Michigan commit should at least trigger an ESPN ranking.
Anyway, let's play a version of the feud late in the half-hour where it's like "name a horse" and there are only four answers and one of them is "any horse":
GURU RANKINGS
Rivals | ESPN | 24/7 | Composite |
3*, 5.5 rating NR TE, #21 VA |
NR | 3*, #1017 overall #43 TE, #19 VA |
3*, #1025 overall #43 TE, #21 VA |
Michigan ends up taking a few kids ranked like Hibner currently is in most classes. Last year Quintel Kent was barely inside the top 1000; the year before that Hassan Haskins, German Green, and Ronnie Bell were around there or significantly lower. Bell really tested the depths of "every P5 guy is a three star" with a composite rank of #1473, and he looks on track to be a starter.
A courtesy bump is likely coming as the recruiting sites catch up to Hibner's quick rise. It is unlikely to get him near four-star territory.
SCOUTING
Hibner first popped up on the radar after he attended a Rivals camp a couple months ago and caught many passes. Rivals named him runner-up in their "Hello World" category:
…surprised some people on Sunday. He consistently got open against some of the best linebackers at the camp and made some pretty tough catches. …length helped him come down with nearly every pass thrown his way.
In a follow-up post they also assert he's "pretty fast for a player that size" and that linebackers couldn't keep up.
The rest of the scouting-type substance on the internet is Hibner talking about himself, or relating things coaches told him. Hibner on Hibner:
Hibner feels that he possesses both receiving and blocking skills. “I am athletic enough at 6’ 4” and 230 pounds to be good at catching passes. I know that for a player to be a great tight end, blocking is an essential element of the game. I do block very well and I try my very best to excel at both sides of the tight end responsibilities.”
Michigan on Hibner, via Hibner:
“I think they are going to use me a lot as the athletic tight end who can block, kind of like a receiver who can block,” Hibner said. “I am really excited by that because that is exactly how I should be used." …
A key part of the visit was the interaction with Moore and the discussions about how Hibner could fit in the offense.
“When we looked at film, we looked a lot at (McKeon’s) film and some other tight ends and how I am like them," Hibner said. "Also, how I am different.”
FWIW, I said that Hibner camped at VT to earn his Hokie offer. That's not quite accurate. He had a "spring evaluation workout" with the VT coaches that got him the offer. Michigan's situation was similar: they went out to see him and pulled the trigger.
[After THE JUMP: 7 on 7 video that makes it clear why Michigan offered]
OFFERS
Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, NC State, Pitt, and Vandy were his other P5 offers. Also Rutgers. Hibner has a bucket of Ivy offers since he could probably get into Michigan without football:
He reports a 4.3 grade point average and has scored 1400 on the SAT.
I think? I don't know what crazy SAT cram sessions people are going through these days.
Hibner was set to camp at Clemson in a few days.
HIGH SCHOOL
Lake Braddock has sent a smattering of three-star guys to schools around the area, none of whom appear to have done much. You may remember Caleb Henderson, a four star QB who initially committed to UNC, transferred to Maryland, and kicked off Angry Maryland QB-Hating God season by breaking his foot in preseason camp. This was the first pebble in an avalanche of events that resulted in some sort of gnome or kobold taking the field against Mo Hurst:
[Paul Sherman]
This has been your completely unnecessary nostalgia of the week.
STATS
None available.
FAKE 40 TIME
I could not find one.
VIDEO
More than half of this is Hibner playing a standup SAM linebacker spot a la Jake Ryan. There are a couple of pursuit plays on which he looks plenty fast. One dollar says his team was the variety that passes like ten times a game because of QB issues and that's a major reason he was overlooked.
Hibner recently posted some 7 on 7 video that provides a clearer picture of why he started grabbing major offers:
PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE
Michigan gets both of their established TEs back next year and there's been considerable hype about Erick All since he enrolled early. Unless the NFL comes knocking for McKeon or Eubanks it'll be tough for a tight end to break into the lineup in 2020. A redshirt is likely.
Hibner gets a crack at replacing McKeon and embarking on a very McKeon career in 2020. He's already ~230; two years from now he should be at a very plausible TE weight. Schoonmaker, Muhammad, and All will have something to say about how much playing time Hibner actually gets early. Hopefully we'll get some more data over the next few months to provide a clearer picture of what's likely to happen.
UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS
Hibner is the second tight end Michigan's recruited in this class but in the aftermath 24/7 made it very clear that Michigan was not done at the position. Ontario TE Theo Johnson is the remaining priority.
Michigan is presumably recruiting to Josh Gattis's speed-in-space approach, not Jim Harbaugh's tight-ends-in-a-closet offense. That means three tight ends are unlikely and rumors that Nick Patterson is liable to drop out of the class should be taken seriously.
Big boy has some wheels!
I'll be interested to see if he attends some camps this summer, and what that does to his rankings. Hopefully he's a diamond in the rough. Sorry, my kids have made me watch Aladdin repeatedly in the last week.
Why Mckeon and not Jake Butt? Is it because Butt was taller? I don’t know why but watching those highlights makes me think of Jake, not Mckeon.
Jake Butt came in extremely polished as a route runner and known commodity as far as his hands. Athletically, the three all appear similar, but Butt was a much surer bet because of his polish
The TE position is probably the best bet when it comes to "camp offer" or "sleeper" type. Unless it is the rare bread that is a WR athlete trapped in a TE body, there isn't a ton that separates college TEs. They are typically more athletic but smaller than ILBs, larger but slower than safeties, and good matches for OLBs. So what are you looking for that separates a TE. You look for someone who is a "plus" athlete (check), that has good length and frame (check), that is good at taking coaching so he can learn the many techniques that will ultimately be the thing that separates a prospect from their peers.
Camp offers or at least in-personal evaluations give you good insight if you can check that final box. TEs need to be quasi-OL, which requires nuanced technique in tight spaces, and quasi-WR to get separation in coverage. There is a lot on the plate of a TE, which makes them so valuable.
So if a TE is ranked 300 or 800 or whatever, doesn't make a huge difference to me. I personally much prefer Hibner's film to Patterson's, who looks to me more like a FB/H-back in the Poggi mold (without the size right now). Hibner won't likely look like Devin Funchess but also a blocker; he looks like a guy that has the potential to be a very good TE for Michigan.
Adding to that "coachable" box -- that GPA is no joke. Lake Braddock (his HS) is a top, top public HS. Like, top 100 when I went there a decade ago. (I was in HS, so I remember the ranking: 69.)
Also, its not that good of a sports school, but they play in the highest division in NoVA. Which, some P5 prospects, but not *great*. Take it fwiw.
He looks like a solid player and has some room to grow in terms of rankings. I do wonder if he ultimately sticks at TE or if he gets moved around a bit on the defensive side, as his highlights absolutely show a guy capable of being disruptive on that end.
Either way, welcome to the party.
You'd lose that dollar.
Lake Braddock throws the ball a good amount, and their QB is a potential FBS player (he has some FCS offers right now). He had 273 passing attempts last year and 29 touchdowns.
Does WR #1 have any offers. Edwards looked solid, borderline FBS type, but looked like he looked to #1 a lot. Rightfully so, that guy looked like he could get some separation and had pretty strong hands.
He's going to Davidson (Steph Curry!) to play defensive back.
Just commented on this above, but LBHS is not a good athletic school. Robinson is where the good players go. VT would routinely grab running backs from there from like 1990s to at least 2009 (my grad year)
Not sure what you're talking about. Lake Braddock has been one of the major athletic powerhouses in the state of VA for the last decade. LB baseball won its second state championship in seven years a couple days ago. The basketball team lost in the state championship this year. In football, Caleb Henderson was an Army All-American who had the misfortune of having to compete with Mitch Trubisky for the starting spot at UNC, and then got injured. Michael Nebrich was the All-Met player of the year and an FCS All-American QB at Fordham, AJ Alexander was a starting TE at Ohio State in 2016 before his career-ending ACL injury, Logan Driscoll (class of '16) was just drafted in the second round of the MLB draft out of George Mason. Sophie Chase is one of the top triathletes in the world and will likely be on the 2020 Olympic team. A girl's basketball player a few years ago went to UConn. They're extremely competitive at the state level and produce D1 athletes in every major sport. Not to mention the five Olympians who graduated from LB. It's definitely a "good athletic school."
Magnus, does Hibner have any potential on defense? He seems to play defense a lot on tape, but seems to be regarded as a TE by most schools (probably where he played at camps). He seems to have the frame to be a DE.
Yeah, I think so. His film is better at OLB than TE. I compared him to Noah Furbush in my commitment post. (I thought Furbush would be a DE but he turned into a solid sub-package OLB.)
He looks far too stiff at OLB to me. Maybe he's still growing into his frame and that's not easy to project. I could see him having potential at DE, but his best bet at Michigan is pretty clearly at TE. The guy's best attribute by far is that he can flat out run!
Is he the same QB in that 7 on 7 video? From the handful of throws I saw it looks like a few times he had good anticipation on Hibner getting open, but other times he was a little late on the release, which I guess is typical of HS QBs.
Welcome........Matt
Way to GoBlue!
All I watched was that 7 on 7 video but he looks pretty good! He got overlooked by the defense on a few plays but he also displayed some nice route running chops and good #speedinspace. Great hands too, nice one-handed catch in the endzone early in the video.
Big fan of the committed photo, mainly because it reminds me of Charlie Sheen sound drop "winning"
Looking forward to seeing his speed in space at Michigan
I thought I saw a 4.51 40 time for him.
From the earlier videos today I thought he'd be a DE or Ryan LB....not TE
The only thing I can remember from reading this Hello post (like two minutes ago) is that Brian compared a Maryland football player to a kobold.
He’s smart, fast, can catch the ball, and can block. He’ll be a star when he’s ready to hit the field.
Welcome to Michigan, Mr. Hibner!
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