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Hello: Amir Herring Comment Count

Alex.Drain July 29th, 2022 at 10:00 AM

The last 2023 Hello that has not yet been done is West Bloomfield 4* IOL Amir Herring. This was a recruitment process that hinged on whether Michigan wanted Herring in the class, which for some time seemed to be an open question. As the Wolverines chased other targets, Herring tried to heal his broken heart by looking at other suitors but Michigan didn't let him get too far. As the top targets at the position fell through, the Wolverines circled back with enough time to get the job done. Herring wound up in the class after all, and now he gets his hello:

 

GURU RATINGS

Rivals: 6'3/281 ESPN: 6'3/280 247: 6'3/300 On3: 6'3/290 247 Comp
4*, 5.8, NR Ovr
#13 OG, #7 MI
4*, 83, #10 MW, #159 Ovr
#6 OG, #3 MI
4*, 90, NR Ovr
#13 IOL, #4 MI
3*, 88, NR Ovr
#43 IOL, #10 MI
4*, 0.9068, #284 Ovr
#13 IOL, #4 MI
4.03 4.41 4.14 3.69 4.07

Herring is a solid 4* prospect, with only On3 at the lower end of the rankings. All four sites have him as a top ten prospect in the state and given the deep ties between West Bloomfield and UM, it always seemed likely to end this way. That said, as stated earlier, Michigan seemed to have Herring lower on their board than what these recruiting rankings would suggest. That's what we will spend most of the next section investigating. 

[AFTER THE JUMP: Mean? Aggressive? Violent?]

 

SCOUTING 

Herring is a prospect who has been in the spotlight for some time as a multi-year starter at an in-state powerhouse that has produced other high end FBS recruits. He's attended camps and been on the radar of scouts for a while now. As you may expect, then, there is no shortage of scouting about him. The first thing you see in any scouting report on Herring is that he looooooves the physical side of football and he doesn't stop at the whistle. EJ Holland ($): 

(Herring) enjoys getting nasty when run blocking and excels in pass pro. He has good feet, a great motor and plays physical on every down

Lucas Reimink of Rivals ($): 

One of the first things that stands out on film with Amir Herring is how he plays with a nasty streak. It’s exactly what you want an OL mentality to be, as he’s always looking to finish blocks and pancake opposing players. He consistently plays through the whistle

Brice Marich of 24/7 ($): 

Not afraid to show a bit of a nasty streak and in the ground game, he finishes his blocks till the whistle

Seems like there's a common phrase coming up in those reports, from three different publications no less: 

Herring is marketed as a strong, physical blocker who loves contact and plays with a high compete level and motor. Not a bad package to start out with! A big reason for these descriptors is how Herring looks physically. He's already pretty filled out and in particular, he's got a strong lower body. Touch The Banner

Herring is built low to the ground and can maintain good leverage. He played left tackle as a junior but from a two-point stance, and he was still able to get underneath defensive linemen.

Alan Trieu

Plays with good balance and keeps his feet underneath him -- also strong in the lower body

Reimink was suggesting that Herring would be well served to try and transform his body some, trading fat for muscle, but the sense overall is that Herring is already close to his playing weight. This has led some to deem him a "low ceiling, high floor" type prospect. Part of that is because the flaws are pretty clearly on display, much the way the strengths are. TTB discusses one of them: 

There’s also the issue of his size; while he’s listed at 6’3″, he looks like he might even be a shade shorter than that. That will limit his positional flexibility.

Herring has been a tackle for West Bloomfield but the combination of short stature and mobility concerns (more on that in a second) means that it is highly unlikely he will ever see the field as a tackle at Michigan. He doesn't have the length to play tackle and thus, Karsen Barnhart-esque swingman, he is not. As for said mobility issues, the concern of lateral quickness and agility comes up repeatedly in these scouting reports. Rivals again: 

Another aspect of pass pro he needs to work on is just his overall lateral quickness and agility. When forced to protect a lot of space in pass pro against quicker DT’s/NT’s at the next level, he will need to be able to adjust to pass rush moves, counter moves, and blitz pickups that his current level of lateral quickness simply isn’t capable of handling at a high level.

TTB even suggested the lack of length could mean that Herring may only be able to play center at the NCAA level, and until the agility improves, Herring likely will struggle to be a pulling guard in Michigan's offense. If I had to guess why the Wolverines seemed lower on Herring than the consensus, this would be the reason that comes to mind. 

Still, despite the physical limitations, Herring has some polish to his game. Use of hands to punch defenders came up as a bright spot in several reports. Trieu: 

Has violent hands and stops defenders with his punch

TTB: 

He also has a heavy punch when he decides to use it and can shock defenders. For the most part, he keeps his hands inside to control defenders’ upper bodies.

When you get a prospect in the mold of Herring, you're getting a decently projectable player with a clear set of upsides and downsides, which, in this class, is a bit refreshing compared to the flood of choose-your-own-adventure lottery ticket players at other positions. 

HIGH SCHOOL

As stated before, Herring plays at none other than West Bloomfield HS. That program produced Michigan safeties coach Ron Bellamy, who turned the program into a HS powerhouse. It also produced Donovan Edwards, and fellow 2023 commit Semaj Morgan at WR. 2021 was West Bloomfield's first season without Bellamy at the helm, going 10-3 but losing to Adams (Rochester) in the playoffs.

STATS

Is an OL.

FAKE 40 TIME 

Have not been able to find one, which is not uncommon for an OL.

VIDEO 

Here is Herring's junior year Hudl tape: 

Some tape of Herring at the Future 50 camp recently: 

ETC

Wants to be a medical doctor after his playing days are over. Nicknamed "Humble Beast". Bleeds Maize & Blue ($). Also throws the discus. Has his own website

 

PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE 

After reading all this over, I think Herring should've been a take in the abstract, and there's obviously no case against him being a take now, given everything else that's happened with OL recruiting. He may have some limitations, but a relatively safe and projectable OL is not the worst thing to have in the class, especially when you need bodies. This is a guy who wants to play at Michigan, is close to playing weight, has some polish to his game, and comes from a program with strong Michigan ties where he plays against good competition. His appearance at the UA Future 50 camp was well received by scouts who saw it and he was competing against other high-level prospects there. If he's getting invited to that kind of camp and at least holding his own, I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be in the class. Even if you're not totally in love with his football ability, the intangibles should tip the scales to a take in my opinion.   

UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS

Herring is the first OL in what has been, to this point, a disastrous recruiting class for the offensive line. Michigan thought they had IOL Paul Mubenga in the bag and then he stunningly chose LSU at the end, and the recruiting at the tackle position is even worse. Whether it is the decision to move Sherrone Moore to OC that is sapping his ability to recruit or it is a different reason, something is going to need to change. Ideally Michigan would like another IOL next to Herring and two tackles but they are far down the board right now. Names I'd watch moving forward include Nathan Efobi, Spencer Fano, and Caleb Lomu, but there is not a ton of clarity at this position yet.  

THE CLASS AS IT STANDS

OFFENSE
Pos Player State Stars In a nutshell
RB Cole Cabana MI 4.2⬆⬆ Speedy receiver back
RB Benjamin Hall GA 3.7 Battering ram with vision
SL Semaj Morgan MI 3.8 Homegrown Gattis-ian slot
WR Fredrick Moore MO 3.6 Crafty, Roundtree 2.0
TE Deakon Tonielli IL 3.9 Catchy bouncy bballer
OG Amir Herring MI 4.1 West Bloomfield's interior mauler
DEFENSE
Pos Player State Stars In a nutshell
DT Brooks Bahr IL 3.7 Long grow-a-3-tech
SDE Enow Etta TX 4.3 Poor man's Rashan Gary
WDE Collins Acheampong CA 4.1⬆⬆ Long/tall athletic freak
WDE Aymeric Koumba FRA 3.7 Long/French athletic freak
MLB Semaj Bridgeman PA 4.0 Formerly elite, WLBish
PK Adam Samaha MI 3.1 Local #1 kicker

Comments

The Homie J

July 29th, 2022 at 11:33 AM ^

I'm glad we have such crazy depth at OL which should make it easier to weather a bad recruiting year for these positions.  If they haven't already, they need to give Sherrone like 3 assistants (I think Grant Newsome is kinda acting as one) so he can focus on game planning and OL development (because he's great at that) and let someone else take the reigns on recruiting for his sake. 

njvictor

July 29th, 2022 at 11:51 AM ^

In recent camp clips of Herring, it does look like's slimmed down a bit. Wonder if he's trying to rebuild his body and it seems like it might be paying dividends based on what scouts have been saying recently

Rabbit21

July 29th, 2022 at 12:08 PM ^

13 guys with non-senior eligibility on this years roster combined with Harbaugh trying to fuck off to the NFL after one successful year probably has more to do with the low OL numbers and prospects in this class than Sherrone Moore losing steam(which to be fair he probably has).  If I'm an OL right now I am seeing a crowded depth chart(even at a position where I know development takes time) along with an unstable program.  Its hard to sign up for that.  Moore probably also made a mistake in aiming super high right from the beginning, there should have been more of a mix of super high shots and more developmental players to start off with. 

Hopefully next year the staff reassesses strategy and applies lessons learned, they've shown flexibility before they can do so again.   

schreibee

July 29th, 2022 at 6:03 PM ^

"One successful year"?!?!

I swore in November 2016 I'd never call that osu game an L, never concede we'd lost, never feel like we'd lost. And I've never backed off that!!

In fact, Harbaugh's had 1 atrocious season (COVID shortened '20), and one very disappointing season ('17) - other than that Michigan has rebounded extremely well in '15 from Hoke's disastrous '14; played CFP level football in '16 & '21; and had non-'97 Carr level seasons in '18 & '19.

You may be a bit overly judgey Rabbit!

JonnyHintz

July 31st, 2022 at 8:17 AM ^

FWIW, I don’t even care about the spot. It was close enough that it wasn’t going to be overturned by video review no matter what the call on the field was. I’m not going to complain about a bang bang play that comes down to a matter of inches. 
 

I also don’t think that’s the play that cost us the game. It was the half dozen other blatantly blown calls that did. And if we’re ranking them, I’d rank the previous play on 3rd and long where OSU got away with 3-4 separate holding penalties to set up the 4th and short. There’s also the pass interference that went uncalled on our OT possession that meant we had to settle for a field goal instead of a 1st and goal.


While you can look at that play and say “if it went the other way then we win,” it’s the half dozen other missed calls that brought it to that point that we should really have complaints about. 

clarkiefromcanada

July 30th, 2022 at 9:51 AM ^

Maybe this young man moved my thinking after I checked out his commitment video on his website (a nice addition, btw) but this seems like a solid and motivated young man who happens to be good at football. There are years of guards ahead of him so he will have plenty of time to work on his physical strength etc. You can't teach meanness and effort though and he seems to have plenty of that on the field. 

Give him 2 or three years in the strength program and working with the coaches and you have a good player. Michigan used to roll with this approach in the 1990's and early 2000's Carr era and you'd see some guy you'd barely heard of come out as a 3rd year with a redshirt and fully look the part of a Michigan lineman. This would work here.