Fickle Comment Count

Brian November 26th, 2013 at 12:51 PM


It is a media tradition to hammer at flailing coaches with frowny-face serious questions about how hard everything is on the players and coaches and such because they have to put up with this howling pack of fans. And I try not to get exercised about anything that comes out of that, just like I try to roll my eyes and move on at every article about a triumph in the face of The Critics. Coaches arrive at press conferences at one goal: to get out without saying something notable. When they do say something notable, it is a mistake.

But I'm pissed off anyway. Hoke fielded a question about what is going to be a sea of red in Michigan Stadium:

"You know, people are fickle," Hoke said. "That's just the way it is. That's the world we live in."

This is of course horseshit. It's horseshit on the level of "we need to run a pro-style offense so we can stop Big Ten offense," i.e., the greatest and grandest horseshit in all the world. Hercules is required to shovel this. The big reveal from the last 20 years of media development is that fans are the only people left who aren't fickle. They can't stop watching, and what's more they can't stop watching live with all those lovely commercials interspersed. Fans submit themselves until they have commercials memorized. Until they are legendary.


In all other areas of television consumption I go out of my way to avoid commercials, going so far as to not watch recent seasons of shows I like until they arrive on Netflix. It will be four years before I see the Patton Oswalt filibuster in context. This is why every time a rights deal expires, networks treat the newly single package of games like it's the last cabbage patch doll on Black Friday.

Meanwhile, the people in charge have decided to test the edges of that fandom with an explosion in ticket prices. Paul Campos:

Here’s the price of a regular admission (not student) University of Michigan football ticket over time.

(All figures are in 2012 dollars, rounded to the nearest dollar. I couldn’t find 1970 and 1980 so I substituted the nearest available year).

1900: $27
1910: $48
1920: $29
1930: $41
1940: $45
1950: $34
1960: $35
1969: $38
1981: $30
1990: $35
2000: $47

This year a seat on the 15 yard line is 129 dollars with the PSL, almost three times as much as it was in 2000 and almost four times as much as it was in 1990, in constant 2012 dollars.



Ryan Field was half Michigan fans, for some reason [Bryan Fuller]

In Michigan's specific case, they have beaten Ohio State once in the last nine years and are two-touchdown home underdogs. They are getting gouged on ticket prices in an unprecedented fashion. The athletic department has made it absolutely clear that it has no loyalty to them with "dynamic pricing" that only goes one way. Up.

There is a breaking point for even the most zealous fan. I'm the guy with the blog that's his career and I'm at mine. The only reason I am going on Saturday is because I would feel shame at not going. Absent the weird moral imperatives of fandom, I would be doing anything else. Like bowling, which I hate.

Everybody in blue in that stadium—and it will still be a majority, probably—is paying for the privilege of having their heart punched. Unlike you, they are not getting three million dollars to watch Michigan shuffle around like a syphilitic pig who thinks everything's a truffle. Collectively they are in fact giving you those three million dollars. Collectively they built the stadium you play in and the opulent locker rooms you dress in.

So take your "fickle" and shove it. Angry, sure. Impatient, sure. Because we are locked into this thing we do every week that we pretty much hate. We do so out of a sense of loyalty that the program goddamn well doesn't reciprocate with its 500 dollar waiting lists and worst access level in the country—the team that is going to stuff you in a locker on Saturday has open practices in front of the entire student section—and scheduling goddamned Appalachian State because the athletic director thinks it's cute. Any reasonable person would look at the recent history of Michigan football and go do anything else. We're here because we're locked in.

You? You've got a buyout.

It is not the fans' fault that this program is awful to be a fan of. It's not Rich Rodriguez's fault. Anyone who sells their ticket for whatever they can get—currently 60 bucks and dropping from 80 yesterday—is only making a logical decision to not get punched in the soul dong on Saturday.

I'll hate them all the same, but half out of envy this time. They are no longer mindless wallets. They don't give a crap if Brady Hoke calls them fickle, and don't write articles on the internet about it. They are logical people.

The reason Michigan Stadium is going to be half-red on Saturday isn't because of "the world we live in" except insofar as it contains a Michigan football team that people at Abu Ghraib wouldn't show prisoners.



November 26th, 2013 at 3:02 PM ^

Sorry, Brian, but I respectfully disagree with you. Hoke is right on. People not attending has nothing to do with ticket prices. It has to do solely with the fact that they don't want to attend what may be a bad loss.

If we were winning and expected to be in a tight game with conference implications, people would attend. To me, this is the definition of fickle.

Now, if you want to argue that the fickleness is justified bc of the crap product that Michigan is putting on the field this decade, that's a different issue. Because that point I may agree with, to some extent (although to my mind, you always support your team).


November 26th, 2013 at 3:15 PM ^

I'm not going to attempt to interpret Brian's feelings or what he's exactly angry about.


And, I haven't paid for tickets to a U of M game since I was a student so, I can't exactly speak from experience.


However, looking at this from a purely rational standpoint, the odds are not in M's favor on Saturday.  I hope to god they win.  I really do.  But deep down I don't think they will.  Does this make me a "bad fan" because I don't believe they can overcome odds and statistics?


People selling off their tickets is unfortunate.  Its sad.  I thought the NW/OSU game was sad because of how much damn red was in that stadium.  It can't feel great for the kids playing the game.


That being said, who are any of us to judge someone for why they choose to sell off a ticket?  Bottom line, there is an economics to the whole thing and when all is said & done, going to a sporting event, be it amateur or professional, is entertainment and a distraction.  If people have deemed that the entertainment they will derive from the event is not worth the money they will spend then they don't consume the product.  And sorry, don't tell me its not a product.  If it wasn't, then the tickets would be free, especially for students.


Just my 2 cents.

Its me Dave

November 26th, 2013 at 3:18 PM ^

Remember when we worried about the collateral damage to The Game that might result from a Ohio program hopelessly crippled by Tat-gate sanctions?  Good times.  Good times.


November 26th, 2013 at 3:19 PM ^

I don't watch or read the transcripts of press conferences anymore so I was unaware that was said. I've had enough of the "we didn't execute" and "we have to be better in all phases" lines. Well said Brian. Breaking point indeed. You couldn't pay me to go watch that product on Saturday. Call me fare weather but I'll keep my "soul dong" unpunched, thank you. As much as I can anyway.

Gob Wilson

November 26th, 2013 at 3:27 PM ^

Hoke made another dumb move there! The correct answer is:

"I don't belive it, No real Michigan fan would knowingly give or sell a ticket to an OSU fan. This is not about money". Remember 1969!


November 26th, 2013 at 3:33 PM ^

If you buy season tickets, you are entitled to:

  1. A seat for all games
  2. The same seat for all games (except for students, but their tickets are cheaper)
  3. Wow experiences (I say in jest, but the MMB is not insignificant)
  4. The entitlement to renew for the following year
  5. A discount off the face value price
  6. Early access to buy single game tickets
  7. Preferential access to buy road game tickets
  8. Preferential access to buy bowl game tickets
  9. Preferential access to buy tickets for other season-ticket sports
  10. Ability to specify where you want to sit in the stadium (if you pay the applicable PSD).  I've changed my seat several times, all you have to do is ask politely.
  11. Perhaps the biggest thing for me is avoiding the stress and time of having to hunt for single game tickets (more of a derived benefit than the above)

What am I missing here, regarding Loyalty?  You're complaining about "access"?  Why do you deserve access to watch the team practice??


November 26th, 2013 at 3:38 PM ^

It's unfortunate that in the midst of all this, the players are getting the raw deal. They're like the kids in the middle of a contentious divorce. If you were planning on going to the game this morning, you should still go. Not going affects the "kids" the most. The kids need you to be there. Don't let an inarticulate coach who is feeling the pressure of a train on his chest and who misspoke keep you from letting the players know you're behind them, and the recruits know that when they come to the University of Michigan, you will also be behind them. 


November 26th, 2013 at 4:25 PM ^

You think the players are getting a raw deal?   Thats just wrong.

Everything they get...the notoriety, the free education, the possible glory for the rest of their lifetime, has a price......   quit feeling sorry for the players.... they vastly net benefit, many times over, being in this program,  especially the QB who is wearing #98 that was given to him without really earning it.    

And how the QB escapes any scrutiny right now is precisely why we stink..... he shouldve been benched a few games ago, but everyone has been brainwashed with repetitive media blitzes of how its all on the OL or the Off. coordinator...   pay focused attention, and you may realize that with a cerebral QB who doesn't cower at crunch time (like 3rd downs) and then you'll realize the biggest problem right now.


November 26th, 2013 at 6:21 PM ^

I'm not going to blame Devin because there's no viable back up. That's on the OC. And if you think people aren't blaming him, and that he hasn't been blaming himself, you haven't been paying attention. He didn't ask for the 98 jersey, they offered it. That's on the coaches. 


November 26th, 2013 at 3:40 PM ^

and I get the sentiment, but I can't be pissed at his demeanor. He isn't fiery. He is who he is. It's like RR when he got hired and everyone was pissed because he did RR things. Many people ran him out before he ever had a chance. Hoke was given a better chance from the beginning, and there is significant adversity now. How he and the team respond is what will make him/them stronger, potentially. How they respond on the field is all that matters to me.

Additionally, it's a bit ego maniacal to think he is actually speaking to any of us, really. He has to be more concerned with his team way beyond any of our perceptions of him. so what he says in a press conference matters very little to me. I think he acts how he does and says what he says because it's who he is, and he cares what he says to a team that clearly has problems. He just needs to get shit right. What he says really doesn't matter.


November 26th, 2013 at 4:05 PM ^

But regardless, here goes.

I wish I wanted to go to this game. I WANT to want to go to this game. But I don’t. I don’t want to go to this game. Call me a fair-weather fan if you want. I’ll play the stupid Fan Credential game if you want (see: Blue IN SOUTH BEND), but I don’t want to go. I’m going, but if you stripped away my fan guilt I’d MUCH rather watch it at home where I can drink and turn the damn thing off when it plays out how we all expect it to play out. I’ve been to all but one Michigan/Ohio State game at the Big House since 1999. It takes something special to get me to want to stay home.

Michigan football doesn't owe me anything. The players don't play for me, and the coaches don’t coach for me. They play and coach for each other. And I am absolutely, completely, 100% okay with that. That is how it should be. Spending your days trying to mollify a faceless hoard of onlookers and hangers-on is a terrible way to spend your days, and is ultimately futile. The throngs can never and will never be satisfied. We don’t see the work they put in. All we see is the few hours each week in which we demand they outscore their opponents for our own selfish edification. They are the gladiators in the arena. The victories and losses are theirs. We are simply the spectators.

But I don’t owe Michigan football anything either. I’m a consumer. A consumer with insane levels of brand loyalty, and who bases far too much of his life on the product, but a consumer nonetheless. Much is made of Dave Brandon’s stint at Domino’s, but Domino’s certainly understands how this works. When people weren’t buying their pizzas, they didn’t blame the pizza-buying public. They made an entire ad campaign around the idea that “our pizza sucks, sorry about that, we’ll make it better.” Dave Brandon never blamed me for not liking crappy pizza (at least not to my face). If you make it clear that you are trying to build a brand, you can’t be surprised when your customers treat it like one.

Your pizza sucks right now. Don’t blame my taste buds.


November 26th, 2013 at 4:35 PM ^

You buy the pizza when it's good, you don't buy it when it's bad.  You are fickle.  That's what it means.  If you bought the pizza when it was bad, you would not be fickle, you would be constantly loyal no matter what.  

He's not saying there's anything wrong with your tastebuds.  In fact, he has said everyone agrees the pizza sucks.


November 27th, 2013 at 9:45 AM ^

but not in the way you think . . .

What  your earlier post demonstrates (as well as the one here that you're agreeing with) is that you see things as black and white, with fans being either loyal or fickle and nothing in between.  I see loyal and fickle as two ends of a wide spectrum.  Out of the thousands of fans selling their tickets for the OSU game, there are probably thousands of reasons why they are doing so.  For those who are selling simply because their preferred team likely won't win and they only want to back a winner, call them fickle.  But there are others for whom the anticipated experience of this game -- in light of the whole season, the run of (largely) mediocrity that has preceded it for years, ever-increasing ticket costs, etc. -- has diminished to the point that 60 or so bucks in their pocket sounds like a better alternative than witnessing a possible beat-down by a rival.  To brand every non-attending fan this weekend "fickle" is simple-minded and, in at least a lot of cases, wrong.  And for Michigan's head coach to do so, when he's made a significant contribution to the problem, is tin-eared at best.


November 26th, 2013 at 7:38 PM ^

"changing frequently, esp. as regards one's loyalties, interests, or affection."

I've changed as infrequently as damn near anyone, as have huge swaths of the Michigan fanbase. Michigan has put 100,000 asses in seats through the good times, bad times, and RichRod times. It isn't like Michigan fans become Wisconsin fans after couple of down years. We aren't Yankee fans. 

I'm hardly the canary in the coal mine, but if you've lost MY interest, your problem runs far deeper than "we're having a bad year."

Michigan Arrogance

November 26th, 2013 at 10:35 PM ^

yes, this is exactly it. if M fans were fickle, they'd walk right the fuck out during the Neb game. or the Akron game. There wouldn't be 300 straight 100,000+ people in the stadium. Brandon wouldn't be able to raise prices, and change the in game experience so much and do all the other shit he has in the last 3.5 years.

of all the fans in all the world, cubs fans, red sox fans and lions fans are the least fickle, mostly b/c they don't really seem to give a shit when the teams lose (AFA i can tell anyway). a loss is a foregon conclusion to begin with. so is that preferable?

look, it took a lot for this team to bring so many of us to the place we are in. so it's 2 things: 1) to describe M fans as fickle is saying a hell of a lot more than what Brady Hoke probably intended. we're a decade away from a B10 title and 7 from seriously contending for one. this ain't our 1st rodeo when it comes to dissappointment stemming from not meeting expectations. it's more than that at this point. 2) so it's a bit insulting for someone to say, 'eh they're fickle." we give a shit, so much so that it physically hurts to see this team perform so far below it's capability. the fickle line is so dismissive of the intense feeling and investment in this team that M  fans have. my feelings for Michigan (this team, the program and CERTAINLY the university) are not and will never be considered fucking 'fickle.' (No, you've just bronken my ability to push aside my mental well being on saturday to be dong punched for 4 hours.)

I'm sure he'd say that's  a benefit to being at Michigan, that so many people are invested and passionate about the program. until you blow chunks up and down the field so badly that the most invested and passionate fans can't bring themselves to want to watch something they used to love so much. and no, it's not about winning and losing. we were all around for 2005, 2008, 09, and the 90s when M was a constant dog to OSU. still watched. still went. but those teams either showed some level of competance on both sides of the ball or just didn't have the talent or injuries hit everywhere. this team ain't any of those. they are young in a couple spots.

it'll get better. just not 'contend for a B10 title" better in all likelyhood. untill 2015 (maybe, we're sort of putting those eggs in the Shane Morris basket, who,if we're lucky, won't have had a singe snap of meaningful football under his belt by then. tho i'm sure the process and RR and bloodymindedness of the universe will  STILL be partly to blame)



November 27th, 2013 at 11:43 AM ^

The "fickle" crowd here is basically criticizing Michigan fans for not being like Lion fans.  Sorry, but if a team has won a grand total of ONE playoff game in my lifetime (and I'm not young), insisting that team is still entitled to your loyalty is just plain dumb.  One of things I like about sports is that, ideally, it's a meritocracy -- a team only wins consistently if it's good enough.  The Lions have earned their pathetic record, by God, and they deserve exactly what they get.  To say that I should support that steaming pile just because I live in the area would reward incompetence.

So, yes, I'm a Michigan graduate and I support the Michigan teams.  I'll be there this Saturday, and I'll be cheering for the Michigan players, no matter what.  But to say that Michigan football could never reach the tipping point, or that fans are fickle no matter what causes them to no-show this weekend or how much mediocrity precedes their decision to walk away, is to demand blind allegiance.  That's not my idea of sports -- I actually prefer winning to losing, enjoy watching a quality team playing well, and think that Michigan enjoys enough inherent advantages that it's reasonable to expect a team that regularly competes for Big Ten championships.  We're not there now, and yet I'm being hit with a PSL increase next year for a crappy home schedule.  If some fans say enough's enough, who can blame them?  One guy who shouldn't is the guy who hasn't delivered what he promised yet (a Big Ten championship), and whose team seems to be going in reverse.


November 26th, 2013 at 9:46 PM ^

You buy the pizza when it's good, you don't buy it when it's bad.  You are fickle.  That's what it means.

False!  If I always buy good pizza, then I'm not being fickle when I don't buy bad pizza.  You've set up a false dichotomy.  Fickle is changing stances randomly or without regard to other factors or for poor reasons. 

I don't exactly know where I'm going as I'm not a wordsmith, but your pizza example is a poor one, I'm sure of that.


November 26th, 2013 at 5:42 PM ^

As much as Dave Brandon would like to turn Michigan Football into a brand he can manipulate and control with marketing, it just isn't. There's a big difference between products and teams. Having sat in countless focus groups over the years, I've learned that people are only loyal to a degree and are emotionally tied to products even less. And therein lies the difference. A football team like Michigan provides a product, but the emotional ties that the "consumer" feels are deep and long-lasting. Could be because there's history - both the program's and the consumer's. I went to Michigan, I invested four years of my life there, it took care of me in a sense, and there is a bond and a history because I had a good experience and made lifelong friends. But the ties are strong also because the team is made up of people, and we identify with those people. We feel like we know them. Depending on how old we are, we may adopt a familial sense towards them. I may feel maternal towards them because I'm a mother. You may feel like they could be your brothers, and you start to feel those kinds of emotions. We invest ourselves in them and their success, and failure. With a pizza, you eat it and forget about it. When it's time to order another pizza, you either remember that you liked the pizza or you didn't and your actions follow. While we may not owe anything to Michigan Football, because we are so connected to this program emotionally, there is a sense of ownership and responsibility that one would just never have with an ordinary product like a pizza.  


November 29th, 2013 at 10:05 AM ^

I have a restaurant I have been going to for years and years.  It is an institution where I live--- even though the food was good--not great--and the service was often rude like your grumpy uncle.  Yes, you were almost certain to run into friends or neighbors--but that wasn't it, it was almost unexplainable.  Well, now there are new owners.  Small changes have become noticeable--slightly higher prices, smaller portions and other things I, for one, cannot put my finger on.  We have been back 4-5 times and always leave somehow unsatisfied.  And I have learned that others feel the same way.  Without making a conscious decision, we haven't been back there in months. It is obviously no longer our go-to restaurant.  Is that fickle?  I think not.  We have proven our loyalty time and time again.  We were entirely open to new owners.  But the product failed us.   How many bad meals do we have to eat before it is okay not to go?  And to add fuel for those who believe this is fickle, if word of mouth is that things are better at the restaurant, we will undoubtedly return---because we have great memories of it and it is a place we want to go. 


November 26th, 2013 at 4:14 PM ^

read the basketball posts after Sunday's loss. Some fans are fickle. I don't get why that's a controversial observation. I get that is different than what football is going through...but historically it's not.


November 26th, 2013 at 4:16 PM ^

I will be there but I am not sure I care at all how it turns out. A blowout by OSU might help forcing changes, a close game or a win equals business as usual. Radical changes are in order as there is no excuse for the crappy season which has been far worst than the record, especially in view of the weak teams we barely beat. I see no chance that we will get ahead of several Big Ten teams without change. This includes MSU which is far better coached than we are. This looks like how it was before Bo came on board. MSU ruled then and we were mostly mediocre with a seldom full stadium.


November 26th, 2013 at 10:07 PM ^

Your best and only example is a guy with two total posts and no one following his lead.

If he is causing our recruiting to falter, I assume you take full blame for our 2011 class being subpar? After all you posted constant negativity about the coaches and team in general for months. Desperation to try and prove a poor point is not a good look.


November 27th, 2013 at 10:43 AM ^

So how many accounts have YOU had deleted.

These are the types of posts that say "I'm not saying fire the coach, but fire the coach."

Of which there are multitude.

But don't come back till you actually have some evidence for your claims. Or some honesty about your real track history here.


November 27th, 2013 at 2:47 PM ^

Its clearly obvious you are in denial. You and I both know you were one of the most negative posters in 2010 about a coaching staff in the same situation (total meltdown on one side of the ball). You can't deny it. Further there were plenty of people like you on this board. 

If you're blaming the occasional post that doesn't support Hoke for hurting recruiting, then you and your band of RR haters sunk the 2011 class and thus can partially take the blame for the lack of depth our team is experiencing today. That is the logic you are applying. You are your own were more negative about Rodriguez than the entire board is on Hoke today.

Like I said in another post: The general consensus on this board has been that Brady Hoke deserves 5 years. Even most of the people who have said they weren't on board with him at the beginning have said he should get 5 years because firing a coach after three is ridiculous. 

Again, if you truly think that small percentage of negativity on this board regarding Hoke is causing guys like Peppers to question their commitment, then how can you even post on here knowing the damage you caused to recruiting in the past? 

The fact is, the atmosphere around here is far different than the tantrums you used to throw simply because you disliked Rodriguez because he didn't fit your Michigan ideal. 


November 27th, 2013 at 3:35 PM ^

When you just joined yesterday? /s

Of course I can deny it. Because it wasn't true. Did I argue that every apologist that everything was everyone else's fault but the staff's was silly? I'm sure I did. People were blaming the phase of the moon for the losing. The difference is now the company line is anything wrong is because of coaching and anything wrong then was because of everything but coaching. There is no "decimated defense" excuse for Borges. Nor should there be. So your memory of the board is faulty at best. There are a few people who say everything isn't Al's fault, but there's hardly anyone who would freak out if he were fired like over half the board (and more of the editorial crew) did then. And still do 3 years later. 

And I'm guessing the firing of a coach because his record was FAR worse than the current staff's record probably had TONS to do with the recruiting class problems in 2011 than the people saying he was going to get fired. At least in that case, they were right.

Oh, and here's a couple of more.

I don't even have to look for them. They just keep popping up.


But westward....that wouldn't be on the coast, would it? You can stop hiding behind multiple accounts and just be honest and come clean on who you are.  

And I'm still waiting for you to back up all these claims with some, you know, facts. But that's not your style, is it? (Please go look for me ever saying "FIRE RICH ROD!" like people are doing about'll keep you out of everyone's hair for days.)


November 26th, 2013 at 11:13 PM ^

don't you just love people who can't seem to think long term?  yeah, i would gladly give this one game to osu if it meant the long term future success of the team.  I thought it was painfully obvious that there were quite a few people who don't think U of M will return to relevance unless borges is gone, yet people didn't think that some would be willing to do whatever it took to get rid of him?  

Heinous Wagner

November 26th, 2013 at 4:21 PM ^

Hoke could have used more acidic language than "fickle" (see the Bo Pelini rant against Husker fans). But he still misses the mark. The more accurate word would have been "demanding."

For me, who has been in Hoke's corner, the jury is now out as the team is likely to slip below the 8-4 I had predicted. I hate the bugger, but Dantonio improves the teams he coaches. So did Carr, for the most part (remember how people howled about him?). We are seeing the opposite here and that's on the coaches. Deterioration is not what I want to see as a fan. If that makes me fickle, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.


November 26th, 2013 at 4:41 PM ^

I wouldn't call you "fickle" if you pay a lot for tickets one year and decide that the increased prices and mediocre product don't justify purchasing the same tickets next year. That's simple cost-benefit analysis. It's a personal decision, and only you know your finances. I know plenty of M football fans that can't justify the expense anymore. That's most certainly Brandon's fault. 

I would call you fickle for paying money for a full season of tickets, then bailing on THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME OF THe YEAR because they're not as good as you thought and oh noes they're probably going to lose.

Michigan needs their fans the most this weekend. And they're bailing. That's being extremely fickle. And Hoke has every right to be upset about it and say what he said.

And I have no idea how this isn't a touch hyprocritical of Brian. He was a guy who rightly said the media was being way too harsh on RR that one time when he said not nice things about some dumb fans. And now Hoke does essentially the same thing, and Brian is giving him the same critical treatment that the mainstream guys were giving RR in 2008. 



November 26th, 2013 at 8:03 PM ^

Hoke is very straightforward. He was asked about the sea if red and responded by saying they (as in the M fans who sold their tickets to OSU fans) are being fickle. Brian is still going to the game. So I don't think it was a personal thing, but for some reason he took it personally.

Unless Brian is saying that if he didn't have this blog, he would happily sell his ticket to an OSU fan? In which case....uugggghhh not any better.

I don't think Brian is dumb (obviously). I do think he overreacts sometimes, and I think part of it is his thinking that we're somehow on the wrong side of history because omg we huddle oh no!


November 26th, 2013 at 9:12 PM ^

I'm not saying Brian is dumb. I think he's a brilliant writer. The blog is the best thing on the internet (non Fake Taxi edition). I said dumb fan because I was replying to someone who was discussion Coach Rod's "Get a life", which was directed at dumb fans. I used "dumb fan" to draw a parallel.

At any rate, this is just a bit much for me. You don't want to buy season tickets, fine. You don't want to buy tickets for this game, fine. You want to sell your tickets to an Ohio fan, not fine. If you do, you are being fickle. And a prick.


November 26th, 2013 at 9:55 PM ^

that's what you meant. We are in agreement anyway...your last paragraph is exactly my view. And why I think prices don't matter in this argument...if you bought a ticket already, then GO TO THE GAME. It's not just some's THE game. You may not be satisfied with how much you spent for them, and that it looks like a likely loss given the team's underwhelming performance so far...but at this point why go back on it? Of all the games to give up, THIS is not one. Not if you really call yourself a Michigan fan.

If it upsets those that much then...fine don't buy the ticket in the future. By all means. That's fickle too, but not nearly as fickle as selling a ticket you already bought to an OSU fan. 

My last point on this: imagine what Bo would say if he was asked this very same question. He maybe wouldn't use that super naughty mean f-word, but he sure as hell wouldn't have nice things to say about them either.


November 26th, 2013 at 11:05 PM ^

What is this, fucking Peter Pan?  Michigan needs its fans this weekend because without us there believing in them they will lose, so go there with all your might and cheer and they will most certainly defeat Ohio.  The team doesn't NEED us for this game.  Are we magically somehow going to change the outcome of this game by being there?  Well, if we are so important why don't they give 2 shits about us and what we think?