Tyriq Thompson is the most Bullough-like thing left

Fee Fi Foe Film: Michigan State Defense 2019 Comment Count

Seth November 15th, 2019 at 9:21 AM

Previously: The Offense, MSU's defense last year. MSU's defense in 2017

Resources: My charting, MSU game notes, MSU roster, CFBstats

Michigan State runs a…

Match quarters defense.

Yes, which…

I'm having deja vu. Did you copy this lede from last year's article?

You were going to say "which brings the corners down to play tight man off the snap while the safeties have to cover for aggressive linebackers, who are squeezed on the inside because the defensive line can play spread out."

Right and that funnels everything back into the murdertackles and the murderbacker and you get Bullough'd by whichever Bullough or Bullough-like object they have now--what's his name, Bachie.

So about that.

The Film: Illinois, because this was the only game they've played since...

Personnel: My diagram:

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...star MLB Joe Bachie was suspended for the rest of the season for getting caught taking PEDs. To replace him they moved hybrid WLB Antjuan Simmons (+13/-5 vs the run, +0/-3 coverage) inside, and brought in sophomore HSP Noah Harvey (+12.5/-1, +0/-5 cov) for the hybrid role. Since smallish SAM Tyriq Thompson (+9/-2, +1/-3 cov) played that role some last year, there's a lot of hybrid DNA on the field now and it shows. MSU linebacker is a playmaker position and all of these guys made them, if in different ways. Simmons is a Khaleke-type athlete who can rocket into gaps but gets ejected if he meets a blocker. The SAM job of Tyriq Thompson, who earned a lot of his stars by making a couple of checks that got one of his teammates in free when Illinois audibled, operates more like our idea of an MLB now with Bachie out so Simmons can be more seek-and-destroy. That's all they get from Harvey, who surprised me with his high grade mostly from rocketing out into space against the WR screen game (and one near game-winning bat-down). Harvey is the LB who becomes a pure pass rusher on their dime package, whence he made me wonder a few times if that was Willekes.

Speaking of HSP DNA, that job previously belonged to the older brother of SS David Dowell (+2/-2, +4/-5 cov). Andrew is gone and David is now a solid strong safety except when he has to cover deep, since his mind is very run/short pass-oriented. FS Xavier Henderson (+4/-7, +3/-3 cov) is a work in progress who'll probably be a good one in a year or two.

Both safeties got big coverage dings for abandoning their posts when poor third CB and jam specialist Shakur Brown (+2/-1, +10/-6), just returned from an injury hiatus, got singled up with Josh Imatorbhebhe, the Illini's 5-star USC transfer, on such plays you remember as The Hail Mary That Didn't Have to Hail TD at the end of the half and 4th & 16. Brown splits time with both Boundary CB Josh Butler (+2/-3 cov), the dude who interfered on the 4th down, and Field CB Josiah Scott (+1/-1, +4/-1 cov), a rootin'-tootin' hard-hitting 2nd team all-B1G candidate. DB Tre Person (+0/-2, +3/-3 cov), whom you might remember from such plays as the long DPJ touchdown or the mansome Nico Collins catch last year, is now their nickel, still about 160, and still slow. Backup safeties Michael Dowell (+1/-1, -3 cov) and Jacob Slade (-2 cov) came in for the slot safety dime role, blitzing half the time.

The defensive line are the same guys since what, 2017? We'll just cover the three stars in the dangerman section. The younger brother Jacub Panasiuk (+2.5/-2.5), well you remember him trying to break Ruiz's knees last year and you're right: you hope the powers that be keep Michigan's players safe because MSU is the program that won't. His backup Drew Beesley didn't get much time but little brother comes off the field for a linebacker on passing downs. We did get a steady rotation of their next generation of DTs. Very large blue chip NT Naquan Jones (+2/-2) is a Bryan Mone type. Freshman DT Jacob Slade (+1/-5) didn't stand out to me until I tallied up his score and realized what little running game Illinois got came by washing Slade out with doubles.

[After THE JUMP: fam.]

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Base Set: They're still that same 4-3 even or 4-2-5 even (depending on whether you call the Star a safety or a linebacker) team they've been for over a decade. I copied this from last year:

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There's also a pass rush package with three down linemen (one of them Noah Harvey) plus two linebackers, the nickel, and a young blitzy safety.

What are we calling the hybrid space player today? The Star, which is their field side/weakside linebacker. He's more of a traditional linebacker who will cover second level zones but not carry tight ends deep except in special circumstances. He usually splits the space between the formation and the slot receiver and will take away some edge duties from the WDE so that guy can be an inside rusher.

Man or zone coverage: Quarters. They trust Scott to play up and Butler and Brown to come up or drop back as they like. For charting purposes I counted passing situations on standard downs (like the 4th and 16) as passing downs.

2019 MSU vs Illini FORMATIONS   SAFETIES   RUSHERS
Situation 4-3 Dime Nkl 1-high 2-high 3 4 5 6
Normal Downs (36) 97% -3% - - 100% - 47% 25% 28%
Passing Downs (34) 35% 62% 3% 9% 91% 15% 32% 29% 24%
Total (70) 47 22 1 3 69 5 28 19 18

Pressure: GERG or GREG: Can I just quote from last year's again?

State would rather send four and have one or two linebackers activate quickly on run action, but they blitz more than enough to keep you wary. Quarters mostly locks the four true DBs into coverage, and the way State plays it they can do without the Star in coverage, and you get so used to the MLB and SAM hanging out in short zones that when they blitz you don't have any targets in the space they abandoned. They still have that dreaded A-gap blitz, and brought back the A&C gap twist blitz that you've probably forgotten and Gardner's ribs never shall.

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A sizable increase in passing down blitzing puts the Spartan defense back among the aggressiveness leaders. MSU isn't afraid to send six or six and a half (a spy) from their passing down sets, winning them single-blocks for Raequan Williams and Kenny Willekes that usually don't work out well for the offense. Brandon Peters passed out of this a few times but more often he was shaken and running for his life.

Their standard downs are always going to be aggressive. MSU starts each play stepping down, bringing the safeties down momentarily to cover for the linebackers, then snapping back as their coverage kicks in.

This is now a common way to play defense in the age of the RPO: have your linebackers activate as soon as they see run action, have the safeties play down to cover quick passes, and figure it out from there. The more you do it the more you're trusting your secondary to make plays. Of the teams I've tracked this for, Illinois--whose fans scream every weak about how susceptible they are to play-action--is the extreme, running hard after 96% of things that look like runs. After that are a bunch of talented teams: PSU (84%), Notre Dame (83%), and Ohio State (81%). State is in the next category with Iowa as teams going balls out against the run on 75% of run action.

Dangermen:

On one end of the spectrum you have the most serious draft analysts who've been banging the drum for Raequan Williams (+14/-1.5 in this game to my charting) to turn pro because his freaky long arms, strength, and quick feet make him one of the best prospects in years against zone running, which is the thing everybody at that level of football runs. On the other end there are Spartan fans who say he got fewer than a handful of fancy counting stats last year, and for some reason the dude listened to them, both by sticking around, and by improving his pass rush. PFF had him for 7 pressures on 32 pass rush snaps in this game, which is on par with very good edge defenders.

He remains death against the run for anyone who takes the time to see it, and an incomprehensible pile of green jerseys surrounding the ball at the line of scrimmage everyone else:

MSU has done their part for the cause by giving him more opportunities to play the 3-tech role with more under shifts. Leave Raequan Williams singled up against a guard: gonna have a bad time.

Williams sucks so much air out of the line because you can't get him out of his gap no matter how many dudes you throw at him. The necessity of at least two has led to an extremely productive career for both Joe Bachie, and Bachie's roommate and best friend, WDE Kenny Willekes (+13.5/-1), who didn't need much help. The canonical Willekes play is killing both sides of a zone read. It's still happening:

As is the bull rush pass move and the inside swim thing. One addition to his arsenal this year is I think he got a lot stronger this offseason. I've seen Willekes get around a lot of blockers over the years but never flat-out eject one like this:

#48 the DE at the bottom

Damn, son. The other addition is craftiness. He drew a crucial hold in this game by trapping the RT's arm under his own, and drew a flag against Ohio State by pulling the Buckeye down atop of him. You see that stuff in the NFL all the time and I call it fair given what offensive linemen do on a regular basis. It's impressive to see a college kid with that part of his game developed.

Third banana/3-tech Mike Panasiuk (+7.5/-2) gets the benefit of single blocking that most DTs only dream of, but he also does more than his fair share of mucking up the run even if his pass rushing doesn't look like it will get beyond Matt Godin-level.

#72, third DL down from the top

Finally, cornerback Josiah Scott killed a guy:

OVERVIEW

This is where you publish the annual Double-A Gap blitz right?

Since you've see that enough I thought you might like to see some of Illinois's answers for it:

This isn't too different that Michigan's arc read, run to great success last year against MSU. The only difference really is pulling the tight end across the formation before the snap. This puts him where he can run directly at the guy they're optioning instead of coming at him like a split zone trap:

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This gets you the hell out of the way of the blitzers and then you've got until the safeties arrive to make something out of it. The other thing you can do, if your pass rush can hold out that long against Willekes and Williams, is pick them up as blitzers and run play-action across the younger safety and the less experienced cornerbacks.

That's a bit of a bust--the cornerback is supposed to drop to take away this before coming down on the flat route. However that's an advanced read, and later in the game when they're blitzing more you can absolutely use the way they play so aggressively with their linebackers and safeties against them to win one-on-one leverage battles. Does Michigan have any receivers like Imatorbhebhe to win those?

So what you're saying is you can beat these guys if you make your reads a whole damn lot and then can pass protect against two elite d-linemen long enough to exploit the aggressive built-in response?

Yet again.

That sounds too hard.

Well they're a good, sound defense. MSU puts a lot on their defensive linemen and those guys come through for them. That keeps the linebackers clean and then you've got decent safeties and corners coming down to take away everything that isn't a long bomb.

Advice?

Don't bother throwing underneath, because they're keying on it.

And try to stay in the pocket--they're an excellent rollout defense.

Sigh. How many times are you going to write this same glowing article about how legit good Dantonio is at building a defense for modern college football out of walk-ons, rejects, roiders, damn lucky safeties, Panasiuks, and the odd long-armed freaky person?

That's up to Michigan tomorrow.

Comments

dragonchild

November 15th, 2019 at 9:28 AM ^

Pressure section:

MSU isn't afraid to send six or six and a half (a spy) from their passing down sets, winning them single-blocks for Raequan Williams and Brian Lewerke

Who?

/ get some sleep, Seth

A State Fan

November 15th, 2019 at 9:33 AM ^

Jacob Slade is not a backup safety #9 like you mention in the diagram and article. you're thinking Dom Long. I'll have more thoughts once I finish the rest

 

Edit: alright.

So the biggest reason I'm not all that upset about the bad offense this year is that it's clear it's no longer holding back a championship level defense, so who cares anyway. This article is actually higher on the MSU D than I am.

Going back to front:

DBs: I was hoping this year that Scott would be a 1st team all-B1G type player, but he's just been okay. Whoever is playing opposite him (Brown, Butler, occasionally Gervin) has been bad, very very bad. I would have given them Cyan bubbles in the diagram. Butler will get flagged for interference in any big moment, and Brown will just let them catch it anyway. The safeties have been a little iffy. Henderson will make some good plays, and also take Montae Nicholson angles to the ball and turn 10y runs into 50 yarders.

LBs: They've been good this year. Missing Bachie hurts, I don't know how Harbaugh tampered with his test, but he got away with it. Simmons has been awesome for us. Broke his back as a Fr, spent last year getting back into it, has been a rocket this year. Thompson has been solid, I think he's often tasked with getting out to those bubble screens on the wide side of the field. Harvery, too soon to say. I'd still say the group is pretty good overall.

DL: I've been disappointed so far. They do generate pressure, but that hasn't translated to sacks or turnovers, just barely completed prayers to WRs ten yards downfield. Willekes has had 1 sack in the last 6-7 games I think after having something like 4.5 in the first two. Teams have had a lot more success running against us than last year, and I think it's because the DTs aren't moving well laterally. So you can cut off the backside DT, and the LBs are flowing too hard and leaving a lane up the middle. 

When you look at just the counting stats, MSU is 4th in the B1G in rushing yds allowed, 9th in passing yds, 8th overall. This wasn't supposed to be the 8th best defense in the B1G going into the year, and Illinois wasn't supposed to pass for 350y on it, but here we are.

LKLIII

November 15th, 2019 at 11:59 AM ^

  1. I feel like the reason MSU's defense seems more challenging than what's presented on the field is our potential inability to exploit some of their weaknesses in the passing game.  Our pass protection is now much better, but if Shea continues to bail out of relatively clean pockets, locks onto one receiver, is poor at reading any defense that isn't a man defense, etc. then our ability to punish their aggressive pass rush with medium-to-long passes is greatly diminished.

    As a result, MSU will be tempted to stack the box even more, which makes our run game harder to execute.

    Bottom line:  If we can hit some our WRs early with 2-3 passes of 20+ yards, it's game over.  If we can't, then it might become tough sledding.
     
  2. However, we aren't totally screwed even if we can torch them with medium-long passes. Namely, because of what Seth said in the artle:

Simmons is a Khaleke-type athlete who can rocket into gaps but gets ejected if he meets a blocker.

          If you were to tell me that Cesar Ruiz would NOT have an all-american shield at this point in the season--LET ALONE not have a dangerman star--I wouldn't have believed you. Yet, here we are.  This is Ceasar's chance to shine.  He's shown the ability to be excellent in space.  Jalen Mayfield has shown that ability as well.  If we can hit our blocks in the run game at the first level & let Mayfield, Ruiz & Company tee off on second level blocks against Simmons and some of the other LBs and Safetys, this could be a LONG game for MSU as we pick up 12-15 yard chunks on the ground regularly.

Ziff72

November 15th, 2019 at 10:11 AM ^

Any theories on Willekes production?   After watching the 1st half of the Ohio St game last year, I thought Willekes was headed for the pros as a 1st rd pick.  When he came back I was not pleased.   I watch most of your games and he just hasn't stood out like he did last year.  

I haven't heard of any injuries but it reminds me a little bit of Rashan Gary.  Solid when you watch the tape, invisible live and explainable with an injury but I haven't heard of any.   

Usually I think Seth is right on the money but this has not been the defense everyone expected.  The Big Ten has moved the ball on this defense.   Indiana, Wisc, OSU, PSU and now Illinois have all put up good numbers.   Northwestern actually scored)Probably your biggest black mark on your d).    This is where losing Bachie will probably show up the most.    

A State Fan

November 15th, 2019 at 10:29 AM ^

I think Willekes production is just him being 95% of the way to a sack. He's gotten an arm on the QB, but then the guy gets away and dumps it off for a small gain, etc. 

In the Illinois game, on the bomb to end the first half he got his hand on the football as Peters stepped up and made Peters have to bobble it! I sit right behind the away bench at spartan stadium and that was just painful to see happen. But alas, it's been that kind of season for him.

Seth

November 15th, 2019 at 10:48 AM ^

Yep this. He looks larger than in the past, like he's in the mid-260s when his ideal is probably like 248. The strength has come up noticeably--he doesn't get kicked AT ALL anymore where he used to have to really dig and get low to make the same plays. Maybe that's nerfed his pass rush some.

That's too speculative to put in a post like this but I wouldn't be too surprised to learn he spent the offseason trying to reshape himself into an NFL SDE because he's maybe not elite enough at pass rushing to be a pro edge guy.

dragonchild

November 15th, 2019 at 10:32 AM ^

My pet theory is just that, generally speaking, quarters defense is stale.  Like Iowa's classic cover-2, MSU maintains program stability by bringing everyone up through the same defensive scheme until they get very, very familiar with it.  When players have been doing the same things for 3-4 years, they reach a level of refinement where they have an answer for most things.  But because it's so predictable, OCs have also long since decided how they want to attack it.

Seth

November 15th, 2019 at 10:50 AM ^

Oh they do but I don't want to get too into the weeds. MSU runs quarters on like 70% of snaps, which is at the edge of how extreme you can get with one defense. They also set up with two high 96% of the time. All teams change up coverages, but MSU sticks to their base more than anyone I've scouted save Iowa.

maize-blue

November 15th, 2019 at 9:46 AM ^

I expect Michigan to slam head first over and over into State's front 7 even though the pass game may be there for the taking.

If UM can run successfully early in the game, it will be a comfortable win. If State slows them down, it will look something like last year's game.

dragonchild

November 15th, 2019 at 10:03 AM ^

If you've been reading the Neck Sharpies it's evident Michigan has long stopped doing the head-slam and are now back to Harbaugh's run fits shenanigans.

The passing game, however, isn't there for the taking because there's nothing to take.  We have a barely functional passing game.  Several coaches have now come through and given up on evolving Shea into something beyond a talented high school quarterback.  He's got the complete physical package but his brain is a gorram 386 out there, and that's the most important part.

So we're gonna have to run our way to victory, and that's going to involve what'll look like some head-slamming because MSU's D-line is elite.  First to 10 points wins.

MarcusBrooks

November 15th, 2019 at 3:08 PM ^

I am expecting last years game repeat, their Offense cannot be as bad so likely a closer game than last year wheere M finally broke it open late in 4th. 

Hoping we don't give our D bad field position with turnovers like last year. 

this is going to be a backyard brawl for sure. 

TheCube

November 15th, 2019 at 9:58 AM ^

That’s why I don’t like it when others call this site a “blog” like it’s some generic fanboy website. It does a disservice to the staff’s abilities and quality. 
 

You can’t get this kind of work or scouting anywhere unless you work in Schembechler Hall. Even then I question whether the staff knows some of the stuff Brian n co talk about. 

TK

November 15th, 2019 at 9:59 AM ^

So summary from the last 2 days:

offense: really bad 

defense: really good 

Good grief this better not be another 14-10 game in the big house. 

I think the truth is more in the middle. Their offense is ok at times, and their defense is mistake prone and not like it has been in years past. We gotta hit a few downfield shots against them. 

smwilliams

November 15th, 2019 at 10:13 AM ^

MSU's points allowed vs. SP+ rankings:

Tulsa - 7 points (#95 Offense)

WMU - 17 pts (#47)

ASU - 10 pts (#66)

Northwestern - 10 pts (#126)

Indiana - 31 pts (#15)

Ohio State - 34 pts (#4)

Wisconsin - 38 pts (#28)

Penn State - 28 pts (#11)

Illinois - 37 pts (#71)

Now, Michigan is much closer to WMU (sigh) than they are to Indiana on offense. Bill C projected a 28-15 Michigan win which sounds about right.

bronxblue

November 15th, 2019 at 11:54 AM ^

I would like to point out that Michigan's offense was something like 80th after they played Wisconsin and has since moved up to 43rd even though they've played some decent defenses.  I think they're probably a lot closer to the better offenses MSU has seen than the WMU types.  By comparison, MSU's offense was 87th in week 4 and remains around there now.  Yes they played some really good defenses but they also scored a combined 17 points against OSU, PSU, and Wisconsin.  And even their big explosion against NW was in fits and spurts.

Ziff72

November 15th, 2019 at 10:14 AM ^

I agree.   The offense has moved the ball much better this year with I think worse talent and injuries.   Salem might be goodish?   Their problem is just bonehead plays and the lines overall suckiness.  

Last year with a broken Lewerke they were far less dangerous.  

LeCheezus

November 15th, 2019 at 10:16 AM ^

I think you've mostly nailed it.  MSU's defensive collapse against Illinois was Illinois basically doing things we know Michigan won't have as their base game plan.  Their offense, while bad, isn't nearly as bad as last year.  They did get pretty well outclassed by Wisconsin, OSU and PSU but those are also all very solid teams.

On the other hand, this was still the #1 run defense last year and we did run fairly well against them.  A lot of that came after many body blows and was mostly in the fourth quarter.  If I had to put money on it I'd wager the game looks pretty similar to last year.

Seth

November 15th, 2019 at 2:34 PM ^

But it's also WAY more of a conclusion that it's responsible to draw on a blog post previewing his team. I mean, MSU makes it hard to believe them but they're acting like Bachie took a substance he didn't know was a PED and they want to fight it. They've kept Bachie on the team this whole time. So it's quite reasonable to assume Bachie accidentally took something that showed up and Willekes just gained a lot of strength since last year because he projects to 5-tech in the next level.

Shop Smart Sho…

November 15th, 2019 at 10:09 AM ^

"I've seen Willekes get around a lot of offensive tackles over the years but never flat-out eject one like this:"

Unless MSU lines up their OTs in a strange place, this clip is of Willekes getting a full head of steam into a RB. And yep, he blows him up, but don't we expect DEs to do that against a RB?

LKLIII

November 15th, 2019 at 12:25 PM ^

And not to dispute Seth saying that some of thes MSU DL can be terrors, but some of those clips of even the Illinois OL just seem to be the Illinois OL usinging TERRIBLE technique when trying to set up a solid pass protection stance. I've never played or coached OL before, but in my layperson's view, some of those OL seemed like they'd stumble back & fall over if the pass rusher was a 160lb high school safety.

MGoBlue96

November 15th, 2019 at 10:10 AM ^

This breakdown makes it seem like MSU's defense is as good as they have been in year's past but the stats don't really indicate that at all. They are only 4th in the conference in rushing yards allowed and down near the bottom in most passing stats. Secondary probably deserves a couple cyans. This is a solid defense that can be had if you're aggressive in your playcalling. Unfortunately I think UM will play it conservative, so we will probably get a game like last year. 

bronxblue

November 15th, 2019 at 10:11 AM ^

On paper this looks like a great defense and yet...they have been picked on for the better part of the season and found lacking.  Yes, all the caveats about playing really good teams, but this still isn't a vintage MSU defense and it feels like teams with equal or better talent have figured them out.  

They'll be tough because they always are, but this feels more like a game where you hope UM doesn't screw stuff up vs. hoping they catch a break.