Fall Roster Overanalysis

Submitted by Brian on August 10th, 2010 at 2:38 PM

In the spring I combed through the roster for weight changes in an effort to read the portents included therein. Today, on National Overreact To A Tiny Slice Of Information Day, we return to the Ouija board.

Unfortunately, the spring roster has been obliterated in favor of the official fall roster so I can only do the full comparison on players whose weight changes from fall 2009 to spring 2010 were deemed "significant." I do have the previous fall roster and have included any players of note from that; anyone who didn't appear in the last edition was one or two pounds off.

Presenting MANY NUMBERS. Projected starters are in bold; I didn't bother trying to guess at QB and RB:

QB
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Denard Robinson 185 -- 193 -- -- 8
Tate Forcier 188 194 192 6 -2 4
RUNNING BACK
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
John McColgan 227 -- 231 -- -- 4
Fitzgerald Toussaint 185 -- 200 -- -- 15
Michael Cox 208 -- 211 -- -- 3
Michael Shaw 178 -- 187 -- -- 9
Vincent Smith 168 -- 180 -- -- 12
WIDE RECEIVER
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Junior Hemingway 220 227 225 7 -2 5
Darryl Stonum 196 193 195 -3 2 -1
Je'Ron Stokes 181 187 193 6 6 12
Jeremy Gallon 165 171 180 6 9 15
Kelvin Grady 168 -- 176 -- -- 8
Martavious Odoms 172 -- 175 -- -- 3
Roy Roundtree 170 169 176 -1 7 6
Terrence Robinson 171 -- 175 -- -- 4
TIGHT END
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Kevin Koger 249 -- 255 -- -- 6
Martell Webb 245 257 255 12 -2 10
Brandon Moore 243 260 250 17 -10 7
OFFENSIVE LINE
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Mark Huyge 288 305 306 17 1 18
Michael Schofield 268 281 293 13 12 25
Quinton Washington 325 307 315 -18 8 -10
Ricky Barnum 275 282 286 7 4 11
Rocko Khoury 283 291 295 8 4 12
Taylor Lewan 268 283 294 15 11 26
David Molk 275 270 285 -5 15 10
Elliott Mealer 299 310 313 11 3 14
Stephen Schilling 304 -- 308 -- -- 4
John Ferrara 279 -- 286 -- -- 7
Patrick Omameh 276 293 299 17 6 23
Perry Dorrestein 306 -- 321 -- -- 15
DEFENSIVE LINE
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Adam Patterson 263 272 276 9 4 13
Anthony LaLota 256 263 270 7 7 14
Greg Banks 266 274 285 8 11 19
Craig Roh 238 249 251 11 2 13
Will Heininger 261 271 267 10 -4 6
William Campbell 318 324 333 6 9 15
Ryan Van Bergen 271 280 283 9 3 12
Steve Watson 257 -- 268 -- -- 11
Mike Martin 292 -- 299 -- -- 7
Renaldo Sagesse 279 285 289 6 4 10
LINEBACKER
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Brandon Herron 220 -- 220 -- -- 0
Isaiah Bell 220 237 245 17 8 25
J.B. Fitzgerald 232 239 244 7 5 12
Kenny Demens 236 244 250 8 6 14
Jonas Mouton 228 -- 240 -- -- 12
Kevin Leach 206 200 205 -6 5 -1
Mark Moundros 233 -- 233 -- -- 0
Mike Jones 203 207 208 4 1 5
Obi Ezeh 243 240 250 -3 10 7
CORNERBACK
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
J.T. Floyd 183 -- 183 -- -- 0
J.T. Turner 187 197 198 10 1 11
Troy Woolfolk 193 -- 195 -- -- 2
James Rogers 182 -- 183 -- -- 1
SAFETY
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Brandin Hawthorne 198 -- 203 -- -- 5
Floyd Simmons 185 -- 200 -- -- 15
Jordan Kovacs 194 200 195 6 -5 1
Cameron Gordon 208 -- 207 -- -- -1
Mike Williams 188 -- 200 -- -- 12
Teric Jones 193 -- 195 -- -- 2
Thomas Gordon 205 -- 205 -- -- 0
Vladimir Emilien 198 -- 204 -- -- 6

Bullets on the contents herein:

  • Holy productive summer (and previous fall), offensive line. Molk bounced back from his injury-caused loss and is now at a respectable 285. The kids, meanwhile, are all pushing 300 after coming in significantly smaller than that. They're still a little light in the shorts, but they'll be significantly bigger than they were a year ago.
  • Similarly, the front seven is going to be a lot bigger even if it's Greg Banks taking over for Brandon Graham. The three returning starters put on an average of 11 pounds and Banks is 17 pounds heavier than Graham was. Not that anyone's happy about losing Graham. The linebackers, meanwhile, are all up significantly, with Isaiah Bell well on his way to becoming his own country.
  • Jeremy Gallon wins the Biggest Anti-Loser award for gaining more weight as a percentage of his starting weight than anyone else.
  • Fitzgerald Toussaint and Vincent Smith are getting up there for guys their size; hopefully they'll have the durability to last after putting on 15 and 12 pounds, respectively.
  • Turners extra 11 pounds may be the reason he's stuck behind Floyd.
  • The beefy tight ends must have been a bit too beefy; they've started backing down.
  • Not sure what to make of Quinton Washington and Will Campbell going back up after freshman years spent shedding weight. Similarly, Perry Dorrestein's 321 seems too heavy, especially for a guy who had plenty of trouble pass blocking last year and is trying to lock down the left tackle job. The other seniors-to be put on a few pounds here and there; Dorrestein's 15 is out of proportion. The Lewan-Dorrestein battle may be over before it even starts.
  • All college teams increase the size of their players year-to-year but if I had to bet, Michigan's has to be near the top in terms of beef added on. A symptom of youth.

Comments

JeepinBen

August 10th, 2010 at 2:44 PM ^

Our LBs put on some lbs. In a good way. 240-250 is NFL linebacker sized. and that is awesome.

It doesnt seem like anyone really  let themselves go this offseason. I was looking for someone who put on like, 15 lbs fall-spring, then had to lose 10 spring to now. I know Turner, Washington, and Campbell are all of concern... but I didnt see any glaring yo-yo-ing. 

Holy Barwisising... we're gonna maul some people this year

michgoblue

August 10th, 2010 at 2:52 PM ^

Our O-line is significanty more beefcake than it was last year.  With the exception of Molk (who I do not have ANY concerns about, barring injury), we we have 2 guys just under 300 and 2 guys just over. 

How does this compare to the bohemeths at Wisco and OSU?

Also, on the running backs, I am concerned about some of our wee little guys putting on so much weight.  Hope this doesn't affect their speed / agility.

Oh, also,  EEeeeeeee, Barwis.

Blue Bunny Friday

August 10th, 2010 at 3:43 PM ^

Source is msg board post.

Wisconsin

...only one of their offensive linemen (a RFr) weighed in at less than 300 pounds at 272 lbs. The maximum weight on the line is 350 lbs. With 18 total offensive linemen on their roster, the total weight is 5,745 lbs with an average weight of 319.16 lbs.

Nebraska

...have 26 total OLinemen on the roster, with a combined weight of 7,665 lbs. The average weight, however, is 294.81 lbs. We have 15 players below 300, a minimum weight of 260, and a maximum of 325.


OSU


...have 17 OLinemen on their roster with a combined weight of 4,990 lbs, a minimum of 234 and a maxiumum of 321. tOSU's average weight is 293.52 lbs. So out of the 3, they have the least depth based on numbers, AND the lightest OL. Yet they don't seem to have many problems.

chollis

August 10th, 2010 at 2:53 PM ^

Projected starting OL coming in at an average weight of 298.4 lbs. Not bad considering Rodriguez's reputation for having small guys on the line. Good weight and solid mobility sounds like a winning combination to me.

Somewhere, Mike Gittleson eats a pizza and wonders how Barwis does it...

michgoblue

August 10th, 2010 at 3:09 PM ^

" Not bad considering Rodriguez's reputation for having small guys on the line"

What is your support for this?  Can anyone who believes this point me to a single RR quote in which he says that he wants tiny little linemen?  In fact, didn't RR say in yesterday's presser, that as long as they can move, the bigger the better?

ish

August 10th, 2010 at 3:21 PM ^

i don't think he's developed the reputation by saying it.  i think he's developed the reputation by actually having lineman on the smaller side.

to me, what he said yesterday indicates that he has always focused on guys who can move and at WVA he couldn't get the guys who could move AND were big.

maizenbluenc

August 10th, 2010 at 3:29 PM ^

Ah, beat to the punch ...

I think chollis is refering to the shrimpy but fast lineman meme which floats around the spread won't work in the Big Ten crowd.

I have been contemplating a comparison of two deep weights by position group across the Big Ten, and including RIch's last two teams at WVU - but never seem to get enough time to really get started on the analysis and post up the findings. My thinking is, if we could show that our "power" position groups (O Line, Ends, D Line and MLBs) are in the ball park of our competition it would give us a decimated defense-like comeback to this stupid wimpy-spread-won't-work argument.

Even with Barwis, big linemen that can move probably takes an extra year to develop, over the pizza eating type. Our guys are finally arriving at trajectory, now if we can sustain ...

chollis

August 10th, 2010 at 3:35 PM ^

Apologies to all for not spelling that out better in my initial comment. Had to type fast. Free pizza in the office.

I'm with you all: a big, mobile, physical line is something that can only serve to make this team better, as well as help dispel those rumors that the spread needs glorified TE's manning the line. As maizebluenc said, the trajectory is where RR wants it to be, now it's all about sustaining while continuing development.

Painter Smurf

August 10th, 2010 at 3:54 PM ^

In the Wolverine preview magazine, the coaches tend to find at least one positive thing to say about a player before making the motivational statements.  Not in Bell's case... all Robinson had to say was "the kid has a lot of work ahead of him" or something to that effect.  Speculating that he may have effort issues.  He looked a little out of shape to me in some spring photos - wondering if he gained too much bad weight his first year.

Hail-Storm

August 10th, 2010 at 3:09 PM ^

Is averaging 279 with Roh and without Campbell. And none of the starters appear fat or out of shape. I am really excited when fans of other teams first realize that RRs small lineman are a myth.

switch26

August 10th, 2010 at 3:05 PM ^

Please god, let Molk stay healthy this year..  I see our Line pushing people around and allowing V smith and Toussaint to run wild hopefully.. Also if Shaw and Cox can contribute, but for some reason I really think Toussaint will be the surprise of the year.

toomer18

August 10th, 2010 at 3:06 PM ^

I don't llike Big Will being that "Big".  I liked the thought of him being a 300 pounder who can move and has litlle definition in his body.  I like to see the little fella's bulking up a bit.

My name ... is Tim

August 10th, 2010 at 3:12 PM ^

I think Isiah Bell wins the Biggest Anti-Loser Award by gaining over 10% of his original body weight compared to Gallon's 9%.

 

Edit: As always, I enjoy the free pass to engage in wild and rampant speculation.

Beavis

August 10th, 2010 at 3:24 PM ^

Re: Big Will's playing weight.

A study of former DT's for us:

Alan Branch

Rivals Weight: 324

Current Weight: 338

Gabe Watson

Rivals Weight: 331

Current Weight: 338

So - in the days of Lloyd Carr we'd have nothing to worry about, assuming Big Will isn't really 340 or higher.  I'm thinking he's not in the shape that RR wants, but he isn't way beyond what Branch/Watson were playing at Michigan either.  In fact he's right in that range.

modaddy21

August 10th, 2010 at 3:26 PM ^

Why is it that everyone is freaked out that he is "too big" for corner?  According to this he only out weighs T-Wolf by 3 lbs.  Am I missing something?

BraveWolverine730

August 10th, 2010 at 5:25 PM ^

Of course JT was overrated. He's already a bust. I mean every good player in CFB history contributed immediately as a freshmen. None of them need adjustment time to the college game or academic life or dealing with the social pressures of being a student athlete at a major institution.

 

/sarcasm(although I hope to God you already could tell)

Michigan4Life

August 10th, 2010 at 6:10 PM ^

that he's 6'2", I swear he looks taller than that. 

 

Regarding tall CBs, it's harder for CB to get down low in backpedal and get out of the break as quickly as possible.  Height matters when there's a jumpball situtation or in the red zone.  Ideally, you want CB to be 6' or 6'1" yet have loose hips and is a good athlete.

Michigan4Life

August 11th, 2010 at 3:07 PM ^

has fluid hips and quick feet which is why he was able to keep up with WRs.

 

it's not about athletic ability but more about fluid hips.  I rather have CB who has average speed but has fluid hips and quick feet than CB who is a great athlete but has stiff hips.

jg2112

August 10th, 2010 at 3:36 PM ^

Not sure what to make of Quinton Washington and Will Campbell going back up after freshman years spent shedding weight. Similarly, Perry Dorrestein's 321 seems too heavy, especially for a guy who had plenty of trouble pass blocking last year and is trying to lock down the left tackle job. The other seniors-to be put on a few pounds here and there; Dorrestein's 15 is out of proportion. The Lewan-Dorrestein battle may be over before it even starts.

Here's what we can probably make out of Washington and Campbell's weight changes.

2009: losing fat.

2010: gaining muscle.

It's Barwis getting rid of bad weight, and putting on good weight.

jamiemac

August 10th, 2010 at 3:45 PM ^

Somebody get Omameh a burger with the works and chili cheese fries or something, STAT

We can have three OL over 300 with a little extra push and quiet one of the herpy-derpiest memes on the Rodriguez era.