Down Two Joneses and a Pace

Submitted by Seth on July 25th, 2011 at 6:28 PM

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Yesterday's release of the 2011 media guide brought up a few questions about some guys not on the roster. I just got my answers from Athletic Dept. spokesman David Ablauf and they're un-good:

"Kellen Jones is no longer an enrolled student at the University."

Reason was neither asked for nor given. This is the end. One of you who doesn't like me gets to be the one to tell Brian we chose to post his 2011 Recruiting Profile right before some of the rumors hit the Twitters.

Impact: Kellen was considered one of the few 2011 recruits who might contribute immediately, and was expected to challenge for a spot on the two-deep at WLB. Short-term this will mean one of the other freshmen linebackers has a shot to play early. MLB/WLB depth chart currently reads Demens and ???s. Down the road it shouldn't matter so much once the 2012 class of Ross, Jenkins-Stone, Bolden and Ringer arrive.

As for some other roster incongruities, why was Christian Pace left off the roster, and did Teric Jones get listed with no number while two other guys switched to his 14? Because the gods hath no mercy:

"Christian Pace was medicaled; meaning his playing career is over due to an injury ... [answers other questions] ... Teric is also medicaled."

Impact of Losing Teric: Minimal. Jones is a 2009 scat-back who came in behind several guys in the '08 and '09 classes. He was part of the Cass Tech clan who re-established that pipeline. Teric did what he could to help, bouncing to DB when warm bodies were needed, but he made only a Darnell Hood-ian impact and moved back to RB, where he was a spare part behind 6-7 other guys. Teric lost the end of the 2010 season to a knee injury against Illinois.*

Impact Christian: Bloody Argh. Pace was the only OL recruit of the 2010 class, and those of us in bloggerland were ludicrously excited about him because he was an under the radar recruit whom smart coaches were hard after. Also he's as much of a David Molk clone as Taylor Lewan was a Jake Long clone coming out of high school. There's a huge difference between proto-Molk and Molk, but Pace's high school tape (as in just watch every play) is a series of the ball being snapped followed by something being shot out of a cannon and ending 4 yards downfield on top of a pitiable fool. He was perfect for the spread 'n shred, which suggests he's not perfect for non-spread-and-shred. I still had unreasonable hope, but even general hope for Pace in a Hoke Manball offense was pretty high. This year he was behind Molk and Khoury, who has been serviceable. Down the line this opens the path for Miller, or else one of the big guards-like objects from 2011 and 2012. Further injuries to the undermanned OL will result in wanton trotting out of an Angry-[Position]-Hating God tag.

Last piece of info, which isn't any info.

No change on Darryl Stonum's status.

I'll let Tim follow up with specifics since everyone I would call will be at his presser anyway.


* I hate to throw this into a post about one of Michigan's best academic performers and team players losing the 2nd half of his career, but considering the staff plans to sign the full 26 in 2012, this feels a little…convenient. #oversigning fears. EDIT: This is NOT an accusation and as posters have pointed out it would be a bad idea for the coaches to pull a "convenient" move with a kid from our biggest in-state pipeline. It bears mentioning only because it would arch an eyebrow at another school, and because this space has been critical of those other schools when there's even a whiff. Discussion cont'd in the comments.

Losing Pace and Jones is decidedly inconvenient.



July 25th, 2011 at 7:03 PM ^

We don't know, but suggesting he might have been pushed off the team is uncalled for at this point in time.  Maybe Teric didn't want to risk further damage to his knee if he was only going to be on special teams.  Sounds like a smart kid with a good atitude, so maybe he wants to focus now on academics and becoming a professional in something other than football. 


July 25th, 2011 at 7:46 PM ^

To pull a "convenient" one on a kid from a feeder school like Cass Tech would be... unadvisable, in my opinion.  I think the coaches would see that angle - although of course we can't rule anything out.  Hopefully a reporter will reach out to Teric for his story, now that he's off the squad. 


July 25th, 2011 at 6:41 PM ^

Losing Pace is going to hurt down the line mightily.

Teric is a good kid, sorry to lose him.

Along with the Kellen Jones news, this has been a rough week.  But it does give us insight into Hoke's recruiting strategy.  There are more spots available than we previously thought.  No oversigning at all. 


July 26th, 2011 at 2:25 PM ^

"suffered a season-ending knee injury against the Fighting Illini."

He was hurt, and was hurt badly,  before Hoke's arrival and well before the end of the season. Was out for the spring game as well.  The injury is not faked, and you're engaging in character assasination against a coach who hasn't been in place long enough to coach one game.

We'll know soon enough if Hoke is pulling Saban-esque shenanigans or not.  If 4-5 kids are medicaled each year, we'll know what's up.  You're jumping to conclusions.  Period.




July 26th, 2011 at 9:09 PM ^

Character assasination? Let's calm down. I haven't accused anyone of anything. "Season ending" isn't necessarily career ending. I don't trust Hoke or distrust him and you shouldn't either unless you know him personally. There is a competitive advantage to be gained in liberally using medical hardships. If you care about the kids as much as winning it's something you should always keep an eye on.


July 25th, 2011 at 8:22 PM ^

No it isn't. Forcing kids into grayshirts after they've signed and giving medicals to guys without documented histories of injuries to sign more guys is.

Both Pace (back) and Jones (knee) have documented medical issues. We've known this for months and medicals have been hinted at for just as long.


July 25th, 2011 at 6:44 PM ^

Losing Pace is a bad thing, was looking forward to Molk 2.0 ... O-line is  thin now.

On the other issue - oversigning - if the injuries are legit, then we've got no business talking about Hoke making room on the roster.   Especially if Pace's and T Jone's careers are over.





July 25th, 2011 at 6:48 PM ^

As I panic somewhat prematurely about our center position in 2013, I thought, "what about Patrick Omameh"?

If Miller and/or Stacey aren't ready at center, might Patrick Omameh be an option at center as a senior?  If so, our 2013 line has options with Lewan/Schofield at the tackles and some combination of Bryant/Posada/Kalis/Magnuson at the guards.

I don't think he's too big for center, and as a senior he ought to be able to handle the line calls.  Any chance he played some center in HS?


July 25th, 2011 at 6:51 PM ^

So I have avoided any and all effort to search for rumors about kellen jones in the hopes that they wouldn't be true.  Now that we have confirmed he isn't part of this team (which REALLY sucks!), can SOMEONE enlighten us to the various rumors out there?  Obviously we know these are rumors and take then with a grain of salt, but when will we know more? 


July 25th, 2011 at 6:57 PM ^

A teammate said something about assaulting a woman, he posted it online but deleted it. I want to stress this is pure rumor. But if a guy on the team is saying it and this guy is gone, *shrugs*.


July 25th, 2011 at 6:51 PM ^

Is a phrase I like to be used for what the lineman are doing, rather than having done for them.

Given that all of the 2012 OL recruits are potential tackle-types (other than Caleb Stacey), we better cross our fingers that Miller  pans out.  Position switches could always happen, but there aren't any OC-types other than Miller and Stacey in the '09 through '12 classes.

2011 OC:  Molk RS SR / Khoury RS JR / (Miller FR)

2012 OC:  Khoury RS SR / Miller RS FR / (Stacey FR)

2013 OC:  Miller RS SO / Stacey RS FR / ('13 Recruit)

No matter what, you're looking at a young starter in '13.  And with that, Jack Miller becomes arguably the most critical recruit in the 2011 class (besides Wile).


El Jeffe

July 25th, 2011 at 6:58 PM ^

Assuming (and it's only an assumption) that Hoke/Borges will transition from a more fat free, zone-blocking style of OL to a more road grader style, my hope is that supreme nimbleness of the sort demonstrated by Molk and rumored by Pace will be less necessary, and maybe one of the interior OL recruits can learn how to snap the ball to an under-center QB (*sigh*) and pound on the opposing NT.


July 25th, 2011 at 8:00 PM ^

I can't see someone like Bryant, who is pretty massive, moving to center.  So, it looks like there are few choices beyond Miller and Stacey, the only dedicated interior guys.

I know OL recruits move around a lot, but how often to OTs end up at OC? We have a number of OT/OG types (Posada, Bars,  Kalis), but I don't know that any project to go all the way to Center.

Projecting OL is generally pretty foolish, but they frequently don't pan out, so this is an area of concern.


July 25th, 2011 at 7:10 PM ^

the meme that he wasn't bright, which is objectively untrue, period. He turned out to be the wrong coach for us, but anyone that says he wasn't a bright offensive mind simply doesn't know football. Stoops, Meyer and coaches of that ilk don't go visiting a coach to learn the fine points of their offensive scheme if said coach is not bright. Those coaches felt RR had something to teach them, and I'll take that show of respect over disgruntled M fans any day.


July 25th, 2011 at 6:57 PM ^

You can add Terry Talbott (DT) to this list.

Those are four scholarships that are freeing up right out of the gate.  Can expect a slot receiver (or two) to be added to that list, I assume (no inside info, just looking at the roster). 


July 25th, 2011 at 9:14 PM ^

number of kids we take this year. Jones and Pace were supposed to be the future of this team, in a way, at MLB and Center. Attrition was expected, but I think those 2 kids at those 2 spots could be considered "extra" because they'll now have to be replaced.


July 25th, 2011 at 10:05 PM ^

Maybe, but that will entirely depend on what else happens. Jones dismissal and 3 medicals still only puts us at 22. If we're looking at 26 then we still need some transfers/non-renewals etc.

FWIW, some of the premium site writers have said all of these medicals were anticipated and factored in to the staff's plan to take 25-26 guys this class. None of these departures (except for K.Jones) were totally unexpected.


July 25th, 2011 at 6:57 PM ^

The reason I'm not too concerned about oversigning quite yet, is because Teric got medicaled 6 months before the recruiting class is even signed.  If the team has the schollarship to spare for this season, then the extra body during practice would be beneficial.  If we see a lot more players medicaled before next fall, or if we oversign come February, then I'll get angry.


July 25th, 2011 at 7:31 PM ^

I'd say it's shady if we knew for certain (after LOI's are signed) that there needed to be some attrition to get under the 85 cap.  And again, why cut a guy who at the very least can play on scout team and I assume probably simulate an opponent better than a walk on?

turd ferguson

July 25th, 2011 at 6:58 PM ^

Count me as one who likes you, Misopogon, but I think you'd need a little more evidence (e.g., Jones playing after the injury) to responsibly make/imply that allegation on the front page like this.


July 25th, 2011 at 7:03 PM ^

...medical scholarship could be construed as an oversigning trick by anyone but the most cynical non-fan. Why the hell is an MGoBlog writer even suggesting that as a possibility?

Time for an edit/retraction.


July 25th, 2011 at 7:51 PM ^

Because they are generally very rare, except among players who are not liable to see the field at schools who are oversigning.

At this point it's just a "I'm watching" thing. I went back and forth on whether it's worth even mentioning, but it is worth mentioning. We have made a lot of noise in the past about oversigning and probably will again in the future, and it's hypocritical not to mention it when the same at another school would make an eyebrow twitch a little. If I don't mention it I'm not being honest in my coverage. If I do mention it, even as a possibility covered in as much "just a fear" language as I can muster, I'm a "cynical non-fan."

On the road to Alabama, Hoke and staff have barely passed Cabela's, but given the focus on this issue in this space I thought it relevant to watch for anyone who's even getting on U.S. 23.


July 25th, 2011 at 8:53 PM ^

If all other schools have, on average. 1.18 medical hardships, how many do we have? How many does it take for you to start your watch? 4? 5? 6?

I know we must have more than 2 (I honestly don't know), for that would be a curiously low number to instigate a watch (its difficult to have .18 of a person). Who are the others?


July 25th, 2011 at 10:08 PM ^

...backwards. Abuse of the medical scholarship by Bama is a tool they use to support their oversigning strategy. Michigan announcing that they have student-athletes who will be on medical scholarship before trhey complete their class is simply not "oversigning". 

You can stand down the hypocrisy watch. 


July 26th, 2011 at 7:33 AM ^

I see what you're saying but it needs to be stressed at this time that all the guys who were medicaled, this has been hinted at for a long time. It's not as if any of these problems have popped up out of the blue.

It's unfortunate that certain schools have abused the medical hardships so that we have to have this discussion but for these kids in particular, nothing seems fishy. Career-ending injuries actually do happen sometimes.