Coaching Candidates: NFL, Fringe Comment Count

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PREVIOUSLY: the POWER 5, which is just Dan Mullen. The OTHER 5 and college coordinators.

I-AA And Beyond

All these guys are risks. Just look at Bobby Hauck, who went a staggering 80-17 at Montana and has three two-win seasons and a seven win season at UNLV.

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BOB STITT, COLORADO SCHOOL OF MINES

BASICS: 12 years as HC/OC of D-II CSM, before that two years as Harvard OC and smaller jobs. 90-57, 1-2 in three trips to the D-II playoffs. 50 years old.

PROS: Extensive head coach experience at an academically demanding school that had previous experienced no success. 2001, his second year, was CSM's first winning season in a decade; 7 wins was their best record since 1958(!). Since getting established with an 12-1 record in 2004 only two CSM teams have finished worse than 6-3 in conference.

Has a reputation as an offensive innovator after Dana Holgorsen credited him with the play WVU used to obliterate Clemson in that one Orange Bowl. Does weekly coaching recap show in which he diagrams plays. Seems cool with shirts that say "Stitt happens."

CONS: No experience with big time football, and I mean none: coaching career has taken him from Northern Colorado Greeley to Doane College to Austin College to Harvard to CSM. No idea how he'd recruit.

OVERALL: Here's your Beilein. Quality 50-year-old dude with long, successful track record and reputation as offensive guru with recruiting and can-he-be-big-time questions. CSM is a lot farther from Michigan in Big Time considerations than WVU, obviously.

12fbwaBaldwinBeau2373ABEAU BALDWIN, EASTERN WASHINGTON

BASICS: 56-22 in six years on the blood-red field at EWU, coming off consecutive final four appearances in the I-AA playoffs and a national championship in 2010. Had one year at Central Washington, a D-II school before that. Career as an assistant included four years at EWU as OC and QB coach; before that was a Central Washington QB and then their QB coach, commencing immediately upon graduation. 42 years old.

PROS: Wildly successful in the Big Sky. Young. Significantly improved on Paul Wulff's EWU tenure, which saw years around .500 most of the time with only two 9-4 outliers.

CONS: May have never left the state of Washington. Usual experience issues. Paul Wulff flameout indicative of the flier nature of any of these guys. EWU seems to have in-built advantages that lend themselves to success irrespective of HC quality.

OVERALL: Has had more success at a higher level than Stitt, albeit in a briefer time period and coming from a much less dire starting point.

Ambrose[1]ROB AMBROSE, TOWSON

BASICS: Took over a moribund Towson program that went 3-19 in his first two years and flipped the script, going 29-10 the last three and reaching the I-AA championship game last year. Former Towson WR, has spent virtually all of his coaching career either at his alma mater or UConn, where he was first their QB coach and then OC from 2006 to 2008. 44 years old.

PROS: Youth, crazy Towson turnaround, etc., etc. These guys all have the same profile.

CONS: Same as the other guys. Shorter track record than either.

OVERALL: If you're reaching down here Stitt seems like the pick.

[After THE JUMP: oh no the NFL, plus goblins]

NFL

Who hates the idea of hiring an NFL coordinator? This guy. Most of these gentlemen haven't tried to recruit anyone in 20 years and will flit off to the place they consider the real league posthaste.

greg-roman-psu[1]GREG ROMAN, OC, San Fransisco

BASICS: Harbaugh's OC since 2009, first for two years at Stanford and then at SF. No college experience outside of those two years. 42.

PROS: Has run both the manball Harbaugh installed in Palo Alto and SF's Kaepernick-oriented pistol/quasi-spread, and done well with both.

CONS: Was never a college coach below the coordinator level; no idea about recruiting. Said delay of game penalties are "not always bad" in midst of season where SF led the league in them, so I would definitely die enraged if he was the guy. Seems more interested in the NFL long term.

OVERALL: This is the model for all these guys: at best a brief stop in college, often 20 years ago, and then a bunch of NFL position jobs before becoming a coordinator.

Picture%20McDaniels[1]JOSH MCDANIELS, OC, New England

BASICS: Broncos head coach in 2009 and 2010. OC with the Rams, Patriots, and… uh, Patriots around that. Went 11-17 as Broncos coach. 38.

PROS: Super young! Former NFL head coach. From Ohio so recruiting and stuff. Probably knows Tom Brady do you know Tom Brady?

CONS: College experience consists of two years as an MSU GA. Belichick assistants have a massive failure rate.

OVERALL: I mean I guess but this is such a hopeful swing at the vague direction of competence that it would be sad.

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HAROLD GOODWIN, OC, Arizona Cardinals

BASICS: Former Michigan OL spent a few years bouncing around the MAC as an OL coach then made the leap to the NFL to do the same. Promoted to Cardinals OC in 2013. This is a truly meteoric rise: as recently as 2011 he was a quality control coach with Pittsburgh. 41.

PRO: Michigan Man.

CONS: Would never be mentioned as a candidate if he's wasn't. Only offense he's coordinated to date finished 20th in FO's DVOA stat, 12th in total offense. Arizona is currently 28th in yards per play.

OVERALL: If we hire Goodwin at this stage in his career, the disease is terminal.

Ask again in five years (but hopefully not, because then we're sad again).

austin-article-020714[1]TERYL AUSTIN, DC, Detroit Lions

BASICS: Just named the Lions DC, before that a defensive backs coach for 20 years, including four in Ann Arbor from 1999 to 2002. Went to NFL in 2003, had one year as Florida's DC in 2010, then bounced back to the NFL.

PROS: Unlike almost every single other one of these guys, Austin coached college for a decade and established himself a good recruiter during that period. Michigan guy, albeit by adoption. Lions D is first(!) in YPG and YPP so far this year.

CONS: Very little track record. Florida's 2010 D was a bleah 29th in FEI, and then Urban temporarily retired and he was out of a job.

OVERALL: Austin is marginally preferable to Goodwin because he's been in college longer but this is all but elevating a position coach directly to head coach. No. God. No God Please No. No. No.

hi-res-107784450-head-coach-gary-kubiak-of-the-houston-texas-looks-on-as_crop_north[1]GARY KUBIAK, OC, Baltimore Ravens

BASICS: Remember him from my youth as John Elway's backup, moved into coaching immediately after. Was Broncos OC for a decade under Mike Shanahan, then a fairly good head coach for the Texans from 2006 until 2013. Career record was 61-64, made playoffs in 2011 and 2012 before dismal 2013 season doomed him. Currently Ravens OC. 53.

PROS: Absolute pile of experience. Was generally successful with the Texans until the end there. Seemed to be well-liked. Was virtually a QB coach as a player so if anyone can get pro-style QBs right it's him. Did one of those THANK YOU ads when he got the ziggy.

CONS: Had a "mini-stroke" during that dismal 2013; no idea if that would be an issue. Almost zero college coaching. Zero Michigan connections.

OVERALL: More attractive than most coordinators because of his extensive experience, and his age might actually be a bonus: if Kubiak gets settled in as Michigan's head coach he may not be inclined to leave, and NFL teams may not be inclined to ask. Prefer him to anyone currently in the NFL not named Harbaugh except…

wknd-notes-14-dan-quinn-360[1]DAN QUINN, DC, Seattle Seahawks

BASICS: Hasn't exactly constructed the Legion of Boom but he is in charge of it as Seahawks DC the past two years. Before that, two years as the DC at Florida; before that a decade of NFL jobs along the DL. Has a reasonable amount of college experience as a DL coach at William and Mary, VMI, and Hofstra. Almost hired by the Browns last offseason. 44.

PROS: Kind of good job with Seahawks. Final year at Florida saw Gators finish fifth in yards per game, though he was working under Muschamp. Promoted as Next Great Head Coach by Peter King's admittedly bootlicking NFL version of Grantland.

CONS: Will be frequent target of NFL teams. No connection to M.

OVERALL: If it has to be an NFL guy not named Harbaugh this would be my pick.

OTHERS

Well, a lot of these guys are in the right age range with a lot of OC experience. Brian Schottenheimer has been an OC since 2006, for instance, and has been talked about as an NFL head coach for a while now. But with no ties to Michigan and exactly two years as a college coach of any variety, he's an enormous question mark. Ditto Darrell Bevell, though at least Bevell was a Wisconsin QB.

People bring up Adam Gase a lot, apparently because he was born in Ypsi. He's got Goodwin's resume except he went to State, and Peyton Manning's the OC of the Broncos anyway. No.

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GREG SCHIANO, formerly of Rutgers and Tampa Bay

BASICS: Completed all-time turnaround at Rutgers, turning most moribund outfit in the country into a consistent winner. After four straight losing seasons to open took Rutgers to five consecutive bowls, including an 11-2 season that briefly had Rutgers in contention for a BCS championship game bid. Hired by Tampa in 2012, only lasted two years there. Miami's DC at the turn of the century before getting the Rutgers job. Somehow just 48.

PROS: Turned Rutgers from laughing stock into okay-to-good program, lots of experience. Pro-style guy, if that's an asset.

CONS: Tampa exit was messy and acrimonious. Had that whole kneeldown thing that was cro-magnon dumb. Was "almost universally viewed as unaccommodating, intimidating and downright disrespectful" by NFL even before his hire. Former player said it was "like being in Cuba." Didn't coach anywhere last year.

OVERALL: Last thing this program needs is a guy who will piss off half of everyone immediately and the other half gradually. Do you know what a colossal wiener you have to be for the NFL to turn on you? They didn't turn on Ray Rice! Ray Lewis! Other bad guys named Ray!

But they turned on Greg Schiano.

gruden_camp3_medium[1]JON GRUDEN, ESPN goblin

BASICS: Nope

CUMONG MAN: Dude if he really wanted to be a coach he'd be a coach. He has found his true love and calling: yelling really loud in a TV studio while slowly turning into a goblin.

I SUPPOSE SO: Seriously dude is making bank and doesn't have to eat a metric ton of antacids every week.

OVERALL: omg gruden

Comments

Yinka Double Dare

October 8th, 2014 at 12:22 PM ^

For some reason I think of Lloyd Carr as head coach and Bob Stitt as the offensive coordinator and it's basically the funniest thing ever. Stodgy, old-school, hates the media Lloyd with an open, fun-seeming guy who wears a Stitt Happens shirt? This would need to be a hidden camera show. Hell, bring in Schiano as DC and make it really ridiculous.

(Obviously this is not a serious suggestion)

Ron Utah

October 8th, 2014 at 12:24 PM ^

I am going to CSM game later this month, and will post an update with pictures.

I feel Stitt is WAY too much of a gamble as HC, but the guy deserves a shot as an OC, and he deserves it now.

James Burrill Angell

October 8th, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^

I'd like to see Stitt as a HC or OC at a MAC or Mountain West program before he moved up to a Power 5 conference. Its WAY too much of a risk to move him into Michigan without a stint at a bigger program than Colorado School of Mines first.

Benoit Balls

October 8th, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^

half of these guys when they rumored to be in the running for the Browns job, and I only "like" the Browns. I "like like" Michigan so, no please God no. I think we need to stop hoping for some magical savior or latching on to a guy because of a hot season. Then again, I've got no better ideas so yeah...this sucks all the way around.

The FannMan

October 8th, 2014 at 12:42 PM ^

I put the names on a dart board, drink a couple of burbons, close my eyes and thow a dart.  The closest name wins.  Any of them could work out, but have probably fatal flaws that the entire fan base knows.

I then carefully re-read my buy-out close, tell myself it will be alright and pour another drink.

mgoBrad

October 8th, 2014 at 12:34 PM ^

This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but I can't take it anymore. He's a slimeball in the Saban mold that oversigns and kicks kids off his team, eats grass and says nonsenical things as his hobbies, and would have a terrible team if not for his incredible recruiting skills and John Chavis. Basically a less-likable Brady Hoke.

west2

October 8th, 2014 at 2:42 PM ^

Les Miles, although I agree with some of your statements, is not like Brady Hoke.  At LSU Miles won a BCS NC in his 3rd season there.  He has won 10+ victories in 7 of his 9 years there and has won 6 out of 9 post season bowl games that include 2 National Championship games (2007 & 2011).  However you cut it thats a pretty impressive record and particularly when you realize he has accomplished this in the SEC West generally considered the best conference in college football.  Also Michigan and the BgTn can continue to parade the moral high ground argument or decide to play in the big leagues to win.  I don't like that its become this way either but its the way is now like it or not.  So either get used to what we are seeing now or get a coach that knows how to win in todays college football world.

Mpfnfu Ford

October 9th, 2014 at 12:27 AM ^

Nobody does in the SEC any more, it's against the rules. 

Here's a question I'll ask you: Michigan has had zero problem recruiting. They've outrecruited Miles at LSU a few times even. So either you're assuming Michigan is able to do that while still being "clean" (whatever the hell that means in college athletics) or Michigan is doing what everyone else does. In either case, what do you think hiring Les Miles would do to change that? If the school can recruit top guys without cheating, you think he's just going to start because LOL CHEATING IS FUN?

The problem at Michigan in the last 4 seasons is player development, not the caliber of players coming in as 18 year olds. Les Miles can coach, and he hires good assistants instead of just hiring his friends and force fans to hope his friends are competent.

The FannMan

October 8th, 2014 at 12:37 PM ^

We're pretty much doomed. 

The more I see these names, the more I am convinced that we simply need to offer one of the Harbaughs 8M a year, plus the same budget that Bama gives Saban for assistants.  We have to go big money on this or we are just doomed.  Of course, we won't do that, so we are just doomed.

Here's an idea - What if we made conditional offers to BOTH Harbaughs and told them that first to accept "wins" and the other "loses."  Maybe one would accept just to beat the other? 

 

 

Twisted Martini

October 8th, 2014 at 12:37 PM ^

Dude can recruit like no other, and showed that he can motivate and develop talent at SC.  Yes his first HC job was a failure but i would at least bring him in and talk to him.  Seems like he learned alot in the years since Ole Miss.

mgoBrad

October 8th, 2014 at 12:39 PM ^

A brief defense of Schiano:

He was well-loved at Rutgers, for good reason. The main reason the NFL rejected him is because he treats his players like college kids... sound familiar? That's the same reason Jim Harbaugh is not going to be coaching the 49ers next year, despite being an awesome coach and winning all the things. If there's one thing NFL players hate, it's being rah-rahed to death by overenthusiastic ex-college coaches. 

Not saying he's my first choice, but we could do much worse than Greg Schiano. I do think Brian is onto something though - he does have a strong personality, and in order for him to be successful he'll need unwavering support from his AD... not something he's going to get from Brandon, that's for sure.

Michigan4Life

October 8th, 2014 at 12:41 PM ^

in both regular stats and advanced stats which is great considering the injuries they sustained this season with two nickel corners out for the season, Tulloch out for the season, Ihedigbo out for part of the season with a shoulder stinger. Lions passing defense is #2 in DVOA and #2 rushing defense in DVOA as well.  

I wouldn't be surprised if the Lions defense continues to play well, he could be a candidate for Michigan. Has experience in college level and is having a huge success as a DC.

BlueinOK

October 8th, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^

None of these guys really stick out. It seems like Harbaughs or Miles would be the best options this season. And I'd be very happy with Mullen after them. If Michigan doesn't get one of those guys, I'd be disappointed. 

maize-blue

October 8th, 2014 at 12:55 PM ^

These are my three candidates as well. I think, at the end of the season, and after this program has sunk to rock bottom, they will have to go for a bigger name guy. They will need somebody that will interject enthusiasm and momentum into the program. I'm not sure they can take a chance on an unproven HC guy, which most of the candidates seem to be. So for me, it's the Harbaughs, then Miles, then Mullen. A lot have Mullen to Florida so I think he is a distant 3rd and also I think maybe at this point going from Miss. State to Michigan could be a step down.

MI Expat NY

October 8th, 2014 at 3:21 PM ^

I think there are some reasonable options out there.  Mike Gundy, if he could be pried loose from Okie St. is the only other P5 coach I'd consider, but yesterday's post had reasonable options.  Jim McElwain may be a hot coaching prospect by the end of the year.  Then you have several coordinators that appear ready for the top job (Morris, Herman, Narduzzi, Beck, etc.).  Several big time coaches, such as Bob Stoops, Gary Patterson, Mark Richt, and Jimbo Fisher have gotten their first head jobs at their current schools.  

I don't think you should set yourself up for disappointment.  Miles has enough detractors that I don't think he gets through at his age.  Harbaugh is seeming like more of a pipe dream every single day.  Mullen is going to be Florida's top prospect, and losing out to them is a very real possibility.  

Whoever we get is going to have a better resume than Hoke did and there's going to be a reasonable belief of future success.  

JLC21

October 8th, 2014 at 12:44 PM ^

Kubiak was NOT well liked in Houston. He should have been fired after the 2010 collapse (4-2 start; 2-8 finish), and even during the 2 playoff seasons he was considered a liability by much of the fanbase. He's also very much in the "dinosaur" mold with a lot of the things that would drive us (and Brian) crazy -- game theory, clock/TO management, challenges, EOH/EOG strategy, 4th-down decisions, etc. He's a walking disaster in every one of those categories. Texans fans would either laugh at or feel very sorry for us if we hired Kubiak.

An Angelo's Addict

October 8th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^

Sign me up for the Stitt train! I have no idea whether Stitt would really be in contention with people that actually make these decisions or if this is just mgoblog's pick. But I'd be a big supporter for an offensive innovator like him

massblue

October 8th, 2014 at 12:47 PM ^

It is riskier, but you got to take some risk to hit the jackpot.  I watched some of his interviews and you can see that the guy is articulate and smart.  He seems energetic and intense.

wolverine1987

October 8th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^

IMO. Whether or not the "cuba" thing is true or not, he will not have that problem in college because NFL guys make millions, are "grown men," and do not take well to guys yelling at them a lot.  None of these issues are there with college guys. And if that was a problem for him, we would have heard about it at Rutgers before. So whether or not we like Schiano IMO has nothing to do with the NFL. I'd be mildly supportive of his hire (after we take the obligatory stab at the Harbaughs, and I prefer Mullen to him as well).

Maaly

October 8th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^

I'm  on the Dan Quinn bandwagon as well, with all the pass happy football being played on each level he's been in charge or a part of the Seattle defense for a number of years now. That will help recruiting, and I'm sure he's picked up some (coaching) bits and pieces from Carroll along the way. He is a prime candidate for a NFL HC gig so this is another pipe dream. Either way we are in a terrible position because the coaching landscape is not shifting that much this year, plus the Florida HC gig will be pretty hard to pass up for potential coaching candidates as well. 

 

L'Carpetron Do…

October 8th, 2014 at 12:54 PM ^

Please not Schotty, please, please, please.  I'm shocked he was mentioned even as longshot.  As most Jets fans can attest, his offense was absolutely painful to watch.  They couldn't move the ball and were more predictable than Borges.  And if you think Hoke /Nuss waste Gardner's multi-talents, you shoulda seen Schotty use Brad Smith the most dynamic weapon on the Jets offense.

Michigan4Life

October 8th, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^

his offense is predictable and Brian will go crazy on the game theory and play call. Remember Schaub's consecutive pick-sixes? Those came from the same exact play call where he runs waggle in which defense knew it was coming the moment they lined up.

matty blue

October 8th, 2014 at 1:08 PM ^

...wasn't there some (crazy) discussion of Mike Trgovac on the last go-round? I know this is all just masturbatory, but would he be completely off the table?

OKI'llStart

October 8th, 2014 at 1:16 PM ^

I hear a lot of doom and gloom in the comments and coaching candidate posts. But there was some school - in a bordering state, can't remember which - that hired a no-name head coach from  youngstown state. I think he worked out OK for them. The fact that we can't easily identify a hot name right now that would be perfect doesn't mean the next coach will be horrible. 

Mr Miggle

October 8th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^

Tressel already had a ton of connections in the state. He was able to lock down Ohio in recruiting like no one else could. He was a perfect fit in a talent rich state and there's not going to be an equivalent candidate for us.

EGD

October 8th, 2014 at 5:19 PM ^

I don't know that Jerry Kill is a candidate, but if he is, he has somewhat of an analgous background.  Kill coached at Saginaw Valley State in the '90s, and then at Emporia State, SIU and Northern Illinois before going to Minnesota--so he's likely got recruiting connections throughout the entire Midwest.  

matty blue

October 8th, 2014 at 4:59 PM ^

...come on.  the guy was (and still is) one hell of a good coach.

suggesting that was all because of tattoos and free test drives is more than a little reductive.  lots of guys cheat and aren't anywhere near as successful.

Ron Utah

October 8th, 2014 at 1:31 PM ^

Like (as of right now):

  • Jim Harbaugh (love)
  • John Harbaugh (love)
  • Dan Mullen (like)
  • Tom Herman (like)
  • Greg Schiano (I'm lukewarm here)
  • Mike Gundy (like a lot)
  • Mark Stoops (like a lot)
  • David Shaw (I believe this is less likely than anyone else on the "like" list)
  • Kevin Sumlin (close to Shaw in likelihood; would want a great DC with him)

Not ready yet:

  • Dave Doeren
  • McElwain
  • Stitt
  • Ambrose
  • Baldwin
  • Bohl

Don't want (reason):

  • Les Miles (douchebag; I would rather lose than have this guy)
  • Cutcliffe, Riley, Pinkel, Ferentz, Briles (too old)
  • Mendenhall (belongs at BYU; don't like the fit)
  • Chad Morris (will head south as soon as he can get good job there)
  • Kevin Wilson (defense? also chaos is not good if you're the better team)
  • Todd Graham (love the resume and style; I think A2 would HATE his Texas personality and would jump on him ASAP)
  • Narduzzi (arrogant MSU-lover...he's not coming anyway)
  • Tim Beck (above-average is not what I'm looking for)
  • Scott Frost (just wants to coach Nebraska)
  • Josh Huepel (is NOT Batman)
  • Kirby Smart (Not happening; another southern man who would leave for the SEC)
  • Lane Kiffin (F--- You Brian, for even mentioning this)

Not sure:

  • Ruffin McNeil
  • Butch Jones
  • Gary Patterson
  • Matt Wells
  • Mark Hudspeth