Brandon Smith Likely To Transfer

Submitted by Brian on December 6th, 2009 at 1:51 PM

brandon-smith-vs-illinois This has been the hot rumor the past couple days and TomVH has confirmed that redshirt freshman safety/LB Brandon Smith has received transfer papers and is looking to move on. Hurray.

Smith was a top-100 "athlete" in the hybrid Rodriguez/Carr class who technically committed after the transition had been announced but, like JT Floyd, was a Carr recruit all the way who was just stringing out his commitment for reasons unknown. So this could be a "Carr guy" moving on to a place he'd rather be. In any case it's the departure of one of the most highly rated players in a class entering its third year at a position, be it linebacker or safety, of desperate need.

Smith didn't seem to be working out, as he was too big and slow for safety and spent his game as a  quasi—linebacker starter on skates, but there's zero upside here. He could have put on 20-30 pounds easily—his "frame" was a reason he was rated so highly—and eventually turned into a contributor at linebacker. At the very least he would have been a relatively veteran body on a defense that needs every last potential contributor. BONUS: Michigan can't even add anyone to replace him because of a mysterious but apparently real oversigning change that prevents Big Ten teams from backdating players who enroll early*. DOUBLE BONUS: Before the season I took a look at Michigan's APR and concluded that sanctions resulting from transfers were unlikely, but the attrition has continued at a pace that makes me nervous.

*(Which will definitely help the struggling conference compete nationally.)



December 6th, 2009 at 2:07 PM ^

I wanted it to work. I wanted the SEC style to take root here in the Midwest. And who better than RR?

But I realize, and you all will to, it will just take you a bit longer for you, that it hasn't worked and it won't worked.

Best case scenario for 2010: 6 wins: Cherryland Motor City Bowl.

Then the new AD begins the search.

Sorry to have to be the one to say it, but not as sorry as I am to have to face it.


December 6th, 2009 at 5:05 PM ^

Oh you mean Mary SUE Coleman the University of Michigan President. Yes given her track record with coaches he should get more time.

You obviously show that you know jack shit about Michigan when you get the name of the President wrong.

Next time when you want to stir up the pot/be a douchebag try to get your facts straight.


December 6th, 2009 at 9:04 PM ^

Since when did the board evolve to such a classy place?

My sign up date does not reflect that I am a veteran of the Haloscan era...when things were completely "Wild West" on the board. I lurked the new site for quite a while before deciding to jump in an comment for periods of time and then retreat into the Canadian wilderness after signing day (mostly).

I never encountered the sort of banhammer inducing idiocy that I have run into on the board in the last two weeks. First TomHagan, more recently that guy with 7 new names every day...and now this.

It is not hard to stay classy. Remember, Michigan Man?


December 6th, 2009 at 10:37 PM ^

Don't take your marbles and run back to Canada.

Fellow suggested that since I typed Mary Ann, not Mary Sue, that I must therefore be completely wrong about all things Michigan football.

That is, on its face, a dumbass remark. And I'm sure your Canadian ears can handle such rough language.

Now, as I've said many times before, it's Brian's site. He can ban me at any time. I invite him, in fact, to read every single one of my posts. I am a Michigan Man through and through. As such, 8 wins in two years is not acceptable to me. I do not see this team with the talent to win more than 6 next year. 14 wins in 3 years is not acceptable to me.

Now, based on my long history with the university, I do not believe, in light of such a (presumed) record and a new AD, that there is any way RR stays beyond 2010. Yes, saying it again makes me a broken record. I will not (try) and say it again.

For I am sad.


December 6th, 2009 at 2:18 PM ^

#1) SHUT UP!!! The sky is not falling.

#2) Redshirt frosh Brandon Smith had a lot of potential, yes. But he was also listed behind walk-on soph Kevin Leach at WLB. And walk-on frosh Jordan Kovacs at FS. He didn't have the man-to-man coverage skills to play SLB, and if S. Brown would have gotten hurt, walk-on frosh Floyd Simmons would have replaced him. His best bet was probably to put on a ton of weight and stick at WLB. He probably would have started at some point. He probably would have been average to above average. Nothing more, nothing less.

MLB: Ezeh (Sr), Fitzgerald (Jr), Demens (So), Bell (Fr)
WLB: Mouton (Sr), Leach (Jr), Jones (So)
SLB: Hawthorne (Fr), Kovacs? (So), Simmons (So), FURMAN? (Fr)

Most of the mistakes Ezeh and Mouton made last season we're mental, and are thus correctable. Those two will be better next season. Still, Fitz and Leach are going to puch both of them. Demens and Jones are going to get better as well. Bell adds to the position this season also. Save Leach, these are all great athletes with a lot of potential. We'll be fine!


December 6th, 2009 at 4:23 PM ^

I could not have put it any better. Things will improve in the second year under the same DC. Depth will not be so big of an issue and the athletic ability is there.

I am very concerned, however, about unused scholarships. Is there some kind of hardship waiver that UM can apply for to get in more than 25?

Nice post blueadams.


December 6th, 2009 at 8:51 PM ^

You're right, the sky isn't falling. It's already fallen. What else do you call 8-16 over the last two years at a place like Michigan? The main reason for this year's collapse was a defense that had been decimated by attrition. The problem is that Brandon Smith's transfer seems to indicate that our problems with attrition aren't over.


December 6th, 2009 at 9:14 PM ^

Brandon Smith was barely in the two deep. From the two deep the team loses, at most, 3-4 players for 2010. Plus, the following players become available and probably will contribute:

Brandin Hawthorne
Mike Jones
Isaiah Bell
Anthony LaLota
The Talbott kids
Cullen Christian
Courtney Avery
Adrian Witty
Marvin Robinson
JT Turner

2-3 more commits (Hankins? Ash? Furman? Parker? Beachum?)

I see 12 actual contributors coming on board next year, and Brandon Smith is out the door. Why come you're so concerned?

STW P. Brabbs

December 7th, 2009 at 7:04 AM ^

So you think the 250 lb DT Talbott Kid, and the Two-star CB Talbott kid might contribute? In what way, exactly?

You're just listing young players randomly. Let's all admit the defense is screwed next year and (without a signing-day bonanza and all the greyshirt skeeziness that would involve) likely for years to come. Brandon Smith, of course, being merely the the icing on the cake here.

All these kids transferring probably does not help our recruiting pitch much, I'd imagine.


December 6th, 2009 at 2:19 PM ^

It's officially female.

My new course for hope: a hell of a lot of patience, with Mike Stoops/Arizona results. Forget dreams of national prominence in 2010 or 2011, but there is still reason to believe that Rodriguez will get the program where we want it to be, given time. There is also little reason to believe that a coaching change would lead to immediately improved results; the issues with the program will take some time, whether with Coach Rod or Coach X.

(Ask me again this time next year if I'm still willing to be that patient).


December 7th, 2009 at 1:34 PM ^

Does anyone know the rule for that? I guess Michigan's academic rules make it harder than usual, but is it not possible to poach a few players from elsewhere in college football -- have them come in with two years of eligibility left or whatever? Could the lost scholarships be used on them?

Otherwise, it doesn't seem like we'll be back at truly full strength until Rich has five full classes under him. Next year is only the second, really.

Recruiting is a crapshoot -- B. Smith is a perfect example. There are going to be a lot of recruits who never start or even play much. That's why Rich needs time. He was 15 scholarships short in 2009. Next year he'll be, what? 10 or so?


December 6th, 2009 at 2:24 PM ^

i couldn't care less about losing a guy who couldn't beat out a walk on. it's getting really old when people freak out over every bench player that wants to transfer so he can play instead of watch.
@brianshall - seriously? maybe you should think about transferring too.

los barcos

December 6th, 2009 at 2:54 PM ^

its depth at a position of need, on a unit of need (defense), we're already dangerously below the scholarship level, he was a redshirt freshmen, and, finally, i dont know about everyone else, but i am really starting to get sick of the mass exodus of transfers.

we'll see if brandon smith is the only one but the more this happens the more i begin to think that whatever is going on over there doesnt look like its working. or at least the players dont think so.

matty blue

December 7th, 2009 at 12:12 PM ^'s "depth," but it didn't appear to be depth that the coaches valued all that much. rarely has there been a better setup for a talented kid to get on the field, and smith wasn't able to do so. i hope he makes it somewhere else, for his sake, but i'm not hopeful.


December 6th, 2009 at 4:36 PM ^

He isn't very good yet, but sometimes those overmatched young players grow into serviceable veterans.

When you don't have established players, you need numbers because the more candidates you have, the better the chance that some of them will turn out to be good enough. Our numbers just went down by 1.