Simpson's team [Bryan Fuller]

Basketbullets: 2018-19 Rutgers Comment Count

Brian February 6th, 2019 at 1:51 PM

2/5/2019 – Michigan 77, Rutgers 65 – 21-2, 10-2 Big Ten

There are worse things than being unable to pull away from a stubborn lower-tier Big Ten team. There's a bullet below all about that. Some other ones first:

Rutgers doesn't suck. This leapt off the screen. They're not good, obviously. But previous games against Rutgers were either comical blowouts or really frustrating games where the opponent makes a bunch of garbage to stay in contact. Rutgers made very little garbage—only Doorson's early line-drive bank shot stands out as an eye-roller—and was nonetheless nipping at Michigan's heels for much of the game. Michigan shut off Geo Baker, who was 1/9 from the floor, and Rutgers did not fall into a hole and die.

Omoruyi can play; Baker can play even if he got a dual-barreled blast from Matthews and Simpson; they're put together defensively in a way that prevented Michigan's pick and roll game from really getting going. If they had two guys who could be Just Shooters they'd be a tournament team. But they cannot shoot, at all. The end.

FWIW, it felt like the main reason this didn't push out to a 20 point game was non-Baker players going 4/6 on threes. Only a couple of those looks were wide open (the Omoruyi ones) and their shooting is such that you'd expect maybe two of those to fall.

A flash. Charles Matthews had a swooping layup early on which the big got pulled out of the lane; Baker tried to fill for the charge and Matthews just leapt around him and went up for a layup. I immediately regretted my assertion in the previous basketbullets that Matthews's surrounding cast didn't have an impact on his reduced efficiency. The pure 5-out offense Michigan fielded last year provided Matthews many more opportunities to make such plays.

Matthews then hit a bad idea fadeaway jumper after nearly losing his pivot foot.

Even though this shot was plainly a bad idea on the replay it seemed like everyone on the team knew it was going up. Simpson was not even giving Matthews the option to kick it back out.

In related news…

Letting it come to them. Both Matthews and Poole were much more reserved on the offensive end. One turnover each, and I think Matthews's might have been the steal he nearly brought in but stepped out of bounds on. Other than the aforementioned bad-idea jumper from Matthews neither guy pressed like they had been for big chunks of the year. Their shots were good ideas in the context of the offense.

Simpson is now in the driver's seat, with 12, 7, and 7 assists over the last three games and an offense that works best when Simpson's doing something on the pick and roll. Michigan put up 1.2 PPP against a top 50 defense on the road, and the usage was Stauskas-era balanced: nobody had more than 22%, all of the starters had at least 16%.

[After the JUMP: a pick and roll variant and good vibes from Champaign]

1-4 pick and roll. Michigan's most effective gambit in this game was pick and roll between Brazdeikis and Simpson, which was the cause of a bunch of wide open pick-and-pop looks for Iggy and one swooping Simpson layup after a glance towards the pop sent the hedging Omoruyi flying towards Brazdeikis.

stay for the next M bucket

Omoruyi is 240 pounds and therefore more of a traditional PF than you often see these days, so that might not be generally applicable. There are a number of teams coming up that seem vulnerable to a reprise, including the next opponent: Wisconsin put Ethan Happ on Brazdeikis in the Trohl Center. Jalen Smith, Kenny Goins, and Jordan Murphy might also struggle to hedge and recover to Brazdeiks pops. Smith might be able to hack it since he's 6'10, 215, and extremely long. Goins and Murphy are going to have to close out hard and fast to bother an Iggy 3, and Iggy attacking closeouts is a Good Thing.

Rutgers had Michigan's Teske pick and roll pretty much down, but that variant caught them off guard. Future opponents will probably be better prepped, but that'll open up other stuff.

Hook of the year. Zavier Simpson's turned some guys inside out before sky-hooking them to death but for my money this late-clock doozy shoots to the top of the leaderboard:

The hook remains undefeated against announcers' ability to keep their composure.

We're going to talk about this very quietly. Uh… Zavier Simpson is 11/12 from the free throw line in the last four games. Since that's almost 30% of his attempts on the season that streak has his season percentage up to 63%. Meanwhile, Charles Matthews is also at 63%.

Simpson also hit his lone three in this game, and that one was so open that I thought "well he's got to take that" even though I wasn't hopeful it would go in.

Baker blasted. Man, it is not good when you have just one perimeter threat and Michigan can alternate putting Matthews and Simpson on you. Geo Baker was 1/9 from the floor and his attempts were almost all heavily contested stepbacks. That's kind of his jam but Michigan was able to make those even more uncomfortable than they usually are.

Hopefully that's a preview of a Langford-free MSU. If Michigan can hide Matthews or Simpson on McQuaid or Ahrens from time to time and then give Winston a relatively rested defensive ace 100% of the time that's promising.

Gotta take the shot. Michigan ran a pick and pop for Teske at the end of the first half that Teske passed on, drawing Beilein's ire:

Similarly, Eli Brooks had an open look he passed up on. Brooks is only at 29% from deep on the year but you can't play for Beilein if you're going to pass up open threes.

Thanks, Illinois! 24 MSU turnovers and Michigan's unexpectedly alone in first place in the Big Ten. Have to feel good for long-suffering Illini fans. Recommend this from IlliniBoard:

We all knew the Michigan State comeback was coming, and when they pushed out to a three point lead, we all thought it was over. Then, four plays I will remember for a long, long time. (When is the last time we had plays you'll remember?) In order:

  1. Andres Feliz makes a layup and gets fouled. Hits the free throw to complete the three point play and tie the game.
  2. On the other end, Michigan State is lining up for one of their patented dagger three pointers but Aaron Jordan blocks it.
  3. Giorgi grabs the rebound, we go the other way, and after a nifty feed from Trent, Ayo nails a three.
  4. Then Ayo gets the steal, we come back down to our end, the crowd is on it's feet, the shot clock is waning, and Ayo hits a second three to push us to a six point lead with 1:54 remaining.

This place (including some dude pacing near the top) went insane. The sound in here when Michigan State took that timeout was a time machine back to the glory days. If I was directing this movie, I'd insert 35 flashbacks in five seconds as our main character tossed and turned and tried to regain consciousness. Dee sitting on the floor against Wake Forest, the Battle dunk against Georgia Tech, even the Arias Davis three against Michigan State in 1998. For a moment, we were back there.

Ugly foul-fest but Illinois's pressure defense discombobulated MSU to the point where Winston had 9 TOs by himself. The Illini have wins over #4, #20, and #27 in Kenpom in their last four outings—Michigan's win on the road is now an A-tier game. Could be coming together for Brad Underwood.

NET stuff. Matt Norlander interviews one of the committee members about the NET rankings, gets a cringe-inducing reference to "machine learning"…

CBS Sports: Coaches have spoken about their awareness of scoring margin with the NET. Buzz Williams most recently on Monday night. Are they misguided in thinking that winning or losing a game by seven or eight points vs. 11 or 12 points makes any real difference in how their team lands in the NET and can affect seeding or selection?

Muir: Since there's a lot of machine learning and nuances to the metrics I should leave up to the experts, what I would say is — based on your question — I'd be heard-pressed to think whether you win by 11 or you win by eight, whether that makes a big difference in our process. What we're going to now acknowledge is the team who's won the game, the team that lost the game, where that game was played and what happened in that game. That's what's most important.

There's thousands of possessions during the course of a season, and so to just boil down to one possession as to where you're going to be on the seed line or whether you're going to be selected or not, I think you're looking at something miniscule. It's much broader than that. If a really good team wins at another place and played well and won by 20, well we take note of that. Does it make a difference if it's 20 or 18? Probably not.

…but does chisel out a couple of answers to questions coaches are asking. Richard Pitino was complaining just yesterday about trying to reach a ten-point margin and how he didn't like doing that when in the past he'd put in young players or walk-ons. But there's no magic 10-point bonus. There is a MOV segment of NET that's capped at ten points, and there is an efficiency component that uses margins by default.

Those aren't worth gaming in the last minute. The tiny wobbles that happen in the last couple minutes of an already-decided game are not going to move the needle, especially because the committee is still using teamsheets as their main method of selecting and seeding the field. The margin stuff isn't worth getting exercised over.

Meanwhile, the list of outliers seems like a good one to me:

Helped by the NET

  • NC State: 93 spots higher (121 in RPI, 35 in NET)
  • Nebraska: 71 spots higher (104 in RPI, 33 in NET)
  • Liberty: 73 spots higher (127 in RPI, 54 in NET)
  • Florida: 38 spots higher (80 in RPI, 42 in NET)
  • Saint Mary's: 25 spots higher (71 in RPI, 46 in NET)
  • Lipscomb: 24 spots higher (56 in RPI, 32 in NET) 
  • Virginia Tech: 19 (29 in RPI, 10 in NET)
  • Baylor: 18 (49 in RPI, 31 in NET)

Frankly, if the NET wasn't around, NC State (16-7) and Nebraska (13-9) would not be thought of as reasonable NCAA Tournament teams.  …

Hurt by the NET

  • VCU: 21 spots lower (28 in RPI, 49 in NET)
  • Kansas State: 17 spots lower (13 in RPI, 30 in NET)
  • Kansas: 16 spots lower (1 in RPI, 17 in NET)
  • TCU: 14 spots lower (23 in RPI, 37 in NET)
  • Belmont: 15 spots lower (48 in RPI, 63 in NET)
  • Oklahoma: 13 spots (25 in RPI, 38 in NET)

The Big 12 gets dinged plenty in this NET-conscious environment, interestingly enough.

Ironically, after people complained that the NET rankings didn't track Kenpom closely enough all of these outliers could have been ripped from its pages: Kenpom #27 Nebraska, #41 NC State, #61 Liberty, #36 Florida, #38 St Mary's, #34 Lipscomb, #9 VT, and #26 Baylor are all within spitting distance of their NET rankings. Ditto the relative losers.

This isn't a huge surprise. When Bart Torvik put together a NET facsimile the component of that facsimile that correlated the best with the actual ranking was a version of his efficiency margin minus preseason inputs. I might argue that NET is actually too willing to ignore You Play To Win The Game, but if its main use is as a way to judge the quality of wins and losses on teamsheets that's… exactly what you want.

Weird MEAC team of the week! Friends, I occasionally rile up Ace by asserting that Tommy Amaker is a better coach than Shaka Smart. This case has gotten harder to make over the last few years because Amaker's streak of tourney appearances (four straight! two wins!) came to an end. Harvard's still been good-ish, but there's been a step back.

Anyway don't look at this:

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Ye gods, that turnover rate. It makes me twitch just to look at it. Amaker did manage to stick in the top 200 for five of six years before this recent run starting in 2015-16. And then… that. God bless John Beilein.

(Meanwhile Amaker has the same number of tourney victories over the past seven years as Shaka, who hasn't been past round two since the Final Four run in 2011.)

Elon DUNKDATE. The Fightin' Musks are still 0/1 on the season on dunks. They're 132nd in effective height! They are a team that is actually fairly large across college basketball, let alone the Colonial Athletic Association! WILL ELON DUNK? JUST ONCE?

Comments

matty blue

February 6th, 2019 at 1:38 PM ^

yes - ye gods, the amaker turnover rate.

how many times did we lose a game we shouldn't have, i'd look at the box score, and...yup, 24 turnovers.  drove me nuts, and it's why bilas was always full of crap about the great unrecognized genius that is tommy amaker.  those teams were always, without exception, poorly coached.  his harvard teams are no different - they play slow, and they play sloppy.

stephenrjking

February 6th, 2019 at 1:48 PM ^

Not sure why this didn't bump to the top of the front page. 

A win is a win. It's good to see less heroball stuff from the offensive stars. I think we can count on a bad shot or two from Iggy, Matthews, and Poole, but if it's only one or two instead of five or six, it seems to work out well. Iggy played well and most of it was on good opportunities in the flow of the offense.

Z's facilitation certainly seems to be a factor.

It'd be nice if Z is getting his shooting together. The motion seems more sustainable. But keep in mind that he had a mid-season surge last year where it looked like he was turning the offensive corner before regressing--I'd like to see a longer trend before drawing conclusions. 

jmblue

February 6th, 2019 at 2:24 PM ^

Whether or not his FT shooting is truly improved (I'm cautiously optimistic on that), his overall improvement as a player is remarkable.  He's unquestionably gotten much better as a passer (6.0 apg!) and finisher around the rim this season.  He's gone from basically a defensive specialist last year to a much more complete player.  The outside shot is the final piece in the puzzle.  

MGlobules

February 6th, 2019 at 3:22 PM ^

I think that he has unquestionably improved his FT shooting. But re: last year's slump I think that he was not only performing under much greater pressure, but also likely tiring. He's a lion at both ends of the court, and I worry a bit that, like Winston, Z wears down. We have a similar problem with our short rotation that MSU does. And just as an aside: MSU will be working on a day more of rest than we'll have when we play in A2--recovering from an at-home game against Rutgers while we'll have traveled to Minny the next day--likely a bit of an equalizer.

I sure love how relaxed and ready Beilein had them last night, though; guy is good. Thought he did a very clever job of getting everyone a blow through the course of the game, too. 

 

J.

February 6th, 2019 at 1:52 PM ^

Matthews didn’t get a turnover on the play you’re describing, Brian. He clearly never had possession, and thus the shot clock was set back to 15 for Rutgers to inbound.

UMQuadz05

February 6th, 2019 at 2:01 PM ^

Strongly agree that Rutgers doesn't suck.  Instead of being annoyed when they made their mini-comebacks, all I could think was that, yeah, they were playing pretty good basketball and deserved to be close. 

Big Brown Jug

February 6th, 2019 at 2:10 PM ^

Can anyone explain to me what the fancystats see in Nebraska?  NET has them 33rd with a record of 13-9, their best result appears to be either a home win over Indiana or a close home loss to Maryland, they've lost to both Illinois and Buttgers in the last two weeks, and are currently riding a 5 game losing streak. 

 

The next team with 9+ losses is 8 spots behind them.  What gives?

J.

February 6th, 2019 at 3:33 PM ^

That's not the way that efficiency-based systems work, though.  Who you play matters, but not as much as how you do when playing them.

They have a 23 point win vs Seton Hall, a 19 point win vs Creighton, and a 23 point win vs Oklahoma State.  They also won by 15 at Assembly Hall, and they've only really been blown out once (vs. Texas Tech).

This is where you're going to run into a difference of opinion between the "it matters how you play" crowd and the "a win is a win" crowd.  If Nebraska had won those nonconference games by 2 points each, instead of by 20 points each, they'd be quite a few spots lower in KenPom (and NET).

TrueBlue2003

February 6th, 2019 at 10:46 PM ^

Yes, now that efficiency (and hence margin of victory) is used in the NET rankings and those efficiency factors are not even opponent adjusted, it makes a huge difference if you win by 50 compared to just 30.

This is precisely why I wondered a couple weeks ago if this was causing coaches to keep starters in longer against the dregs of the schedule to get those 50 point wins instead of what might be 30 point wins otherwise.

The thing is, Creighton, Oklahoma State and Seton Hall aren't that bad, so beating them by ~20 was impressive.  They skyrocketed in the fancystats after those early 70 point wins against baby seals and 20 point wins against ok teams such that they were top 10 in NET just a few weeks ago.  So they have fallen a lot from there.  Probably will be moving out of the top 40.  It's just that they started from high up.

Big Brown Jug

February 7th, 2019 at 3:23 AM ^

I know Kenpom et al have proven to be somewhat predictive, but man, Nebraska has to be a perfect poster child for arguements against those systems. Slaying a half-dozen teams that range from horrendous to bad by 20+ does not make one a top 10 team. After a sixth straight loss tonight Kenpom still thinks they’re the 32nd best team in the nation at 13-10. 

C’mon Ken. 

TrueBlue2003

February 7th, 2019 at 2:50 PM ^

Being the more predictive than other systems does not necessarily mean being 100% correct.  So singling out one miss as an argument against the system ignores everything it does well and ignores the fact that any predictive system will be wrong some of the time.

Take Purdue and Wisconsin for example.  Both teams shot high up the predictive rankings with some big early wins.

But Purdue lost some close games including a stretch of 5 losses in 7 games. They were still sitting in the top 25ish with a terrible record of 6-5.  Many would have argued they were a poster child against those systems.  But those systems know that beating top 100 teams by 20 points says much more about your team quality than notching it as a simple W.  And they also know that losing by 1 on the road to a top 25 team is also....pretty good.  It means there's a good chance you're better than that team despite taking an L.

And lo, Purdue has rattled off 10 of 11 and 7 straight to prove those systems right.

Three weeks ago Wisconsin was coming off four losses in five games and sitting at 11-6 and yet were still in the kenpom top 20 because those losses were close to good teams and they had lots of blowouts and comfortable wins that are good indicators of team quality.  Sure enough, they've won six straight since then.

Just because Nebraska hasn't halted their slide as the metrics predicted they might, doesn't mean the systems are "wrong."  They will be wrong some percentage of the time and Nebraska looks to be one of them.

One thing that the systems don't take into acccount (for simplicity sake) is injuries.  They lost a valuable player in Isaac Copeland a couple weeks ago and that is almost certainly have some impact.

jmblue

February 6th, 2019 at 2:20 PM ^

Weird Shaka Smart stat: entering our game against VCU in 2013, he was 7-2 in the NCAA Tournament (and had also won a CBI title).  He seemed like an epic tournament coach in the making.  But from that game onward he's gone 0-5 in the tourney (including 0-2 at Texas).  Crazy change in trajectory.  

Roy G. Biv

February 6th, 2019 at 2:27 PM ^

Illinois is pre-Isengard Treebeard.  They are currently having their Entmoot.  Let's hope they don't become angry Treebeard.  That program is a sleeping giant I would prefer remains asleep.  And why their FB is so bad is hard to comprehend.

Hugh White

February 6th, 2019 at 2:36 PM ^

I agree that Amaker is better than Shaka Smart, so you just keep pushing that button on Ace, Brian.

Like most statistics, the ones Brian cites above may be taken with a grain of context (aka excuses, I know):  Amaker's Crimson have been hit with injuries to two of its starters, both of whom were Top-100 recruits.  Last year and up until January 21 this season, Harvard was without its Top-100 recruit Bryce Aiken because of a knee injury.  Aiken started at point, which may explain the TO Rate to some small degree.  Since Aiken's return on January 21, the team is 4-0 with margins averaging in double digits.

Also lost to injury is Seth Towns, whose name may still be familiar to readers of this Board.  

Also context (aka excuses, I'm aware): Amaker did not make the Tournament last year, as Brian correctly reported.  They did win the Conference, but in a recently installed Ivy Tournament, they lost to Penn, who was playing at home, after Towns and Chris Lewis (son of Mo Lewis) both left the floor with injuries.

Anyway, if Towns returns this season, we can all anxiously await a Crimson-Longhorn March-Matchup to settle Brian and Ace's debate once and for all.

Ok.  Cool.  Hook 'em?

ST3

February 6th, 2019 at 4:41 PM ^

Speaking of FTs, Nojel Eastern from Purdue has gone on a tear of late. He's around 83% in his last 6 games. All of a sudden Nojel Eastern CANNOT MISS A FREE THROW.

(If you are thinking that I'm trying to jinx Nojel back into his 40% FT rate that his form dictates he should be at, now that they are tied with us in the loss column, you would be correct.)

The Man Down T…

February 6th, 2019 at 5:17 PM ^

"Rutgers doesn't suck. This leapt off the screen. "

 

Yeah it did.  They were feisty as hell.  They also have some good freshmen so they may actually challenge for the middle of the pack the next couple years and get an NIT invite.  For them, that's really good.

lou apo

February 6th, 2019 at 5:54 PM ^

Johnny Orr talk got me googling. 

1980, Orr left UM for more money, he was making $33,665

2019, John Beilein is making $3.37 million

John Beilein is coincidentally making precisely 100 times what Orr was making 39 years later.  Orr's salary would be a rounding error in John Beilein's.  Wow

TrueBlue2003

February 6th, 2019 at 7:50 PM ^

My low-key favorite thing about Illinois beating MSU (and generally improving) is that it's looking likely that Underwood will be given a third year. If he had bombed out to another last place finish, I'm not sure a third year for him would be a given.

And If Illinois were looking for a new coach, it seems like they'd start poking around the young former Illinois State assistant currently in his second year laying waste to B1G offenses.

Stay away!

TrueBlue2003

February 7th, 2019 at 3:07 PM ^

I agree that he probably was getting a third year, too.  But when they were sitting at 4-12 and 0-5 in the conference, it looked like there was a chance of going like 2-18 in the league and hoo boy that'd be hard to take for a basketball program like Illinois.  Three years is pretty standard, but if you're finishing last in your league at a school that should not be finishing near last place and aren't showing signs of improvement...

...but they are showing improvement and they are young, so he'll get that third year at least.