2016 Recruiting: Kareem Walker

Submitted by Brian on July 15th, 2016 at 3:01 PM

Previously: Last year's profiles. S Josh Metellus, S Khaleke Hudson, CB David Long, CB Lavert Hill, LB Elysee Mbem-Bosse, LB Devin Bush Jr., LB Devin Gil, LB Josh Uche, DE Ron Johnson, DT Michael Dwumfour, DT Rashan Gary, DE Carlo Kemp, OL Ben Bredeson, OL Michael Onwenu, OL Stephen Spanellis, TE Nick Eubanks, TE Sean McKeon, TE Devin Asiasi, WR Eddie McDoom, WR Nate Johnson, WR Kekoa Crawford, WR Chris Evans, WR Brad Hawkins, WR Ahmir Mitchell, RB Kingston Davis.

       
Wayne, NJ – 6'1", 210
       

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Scout 5*, #28 overall
#3 RB
Rivals 4*, 181 overall
#6 RB, #5 NJ
ESPN 4*, #45 overall
#4 RB, #2 NJ
24/7 4*, #328 overall
#12 RB, #9 NJ
Other Suitors OSU, FSU, ASU, AUB, Bama
YMRMFSPA Denard Robinson, RB version (but slow!)
Previously On MGoBlog Hello post from Ace. Some scouting from earlier today.
Notes Twitter. Early enrollee. DePaul(Michael Dwumfour).

Film

Junior:

Senior:

There's also a Bergen Catholic-Depaul Catholic game on Youtube in which Walker gets 23 carries. Ace compiled that into an every touch video:

Kareem Walker, The Number One Running Back In The United States, committed to Ohio State at halftime of the national championship game. That was a public relations move that ended up backfiring when Walker re-opened his recruitment due to the audacity of Harbs and eventually flipped to Ohio State's ancient enemy. Then recruiting sites had to go and ruin it by tumbling Walker down their rankings, because recruiting sites don't know a good story when they see one.

Walker's rep took a huge hit right at the end of the cycle, with Rivals dropping him from the cusp of five star status to #181 and 247 dropping him over 200 spots to a fringe four-star guy. He was vulnerable to such a hit for a few reasons. He couldn't participate at the Opening because of a sprained ankle. Walker's Hudl film stops abruptly after his sophomore year, leaving just a couple of highlight reels of the variety that irritatingly slow-mo any missed tackle.

It was in this environment that Rivals yanked his fifth star before the Army game. In San Antonio they wanted him to "prove something" at an exhibition:

Walker recently lost his fifth star and has gone from a decisive, one-cut brute at running back to a bit of an indecisive runner who questions his instincts and dances a bit too much. Ball security is also an issue.

Five-star brute Walker rushed for 1607 yards as a junior. Indecisive dancing Walker rushed for 1517 yards as a senior en route to a state title. Both halves of that assessment are goofy. Walker was never a "brute" in the vein of De'Veon Smith, and at least in that Bergen Catholic game above his ability to ghost through the melee at the line of scrimmage was impressive. One man's indecisiveness is another man's patience.

So. A gimpy Walker playing behind an offensive line trying and failing to deal with the ridiculous 2016 defensive line class didn't do so hot, and a couple of sites were already looking at him with a skeptical eye. Per Walker himself his first day was "slow" because he was unfamiliar with the plays and "going through the motions"; he picked it up later. The first impression lingered, however. Afterwards got absolutely bombed by 247 and Rivals:

  Walker has been indecisive and has not hit the hole with authority. He did not seem to get a good read on the play as it developed and he has lacked explosion the last few days.

needs to hit the opening faster and then fall forward when getting tackled. Sometimes, the Michigan commit hesitates as things develop.

Walker does not have the same running instincts that Miles Sanders, the other running back on Team Armour, shows. Walker continues to run timidly.

Thus the big dips. On the other hand Scout and ESPN were like "whatever, he rules." Scout's Dave Berk did note an "up and down" day, citing a lack of comfort, but blew it off because he'd seen Walker plenty already. Their ranking barely budged.

[After THE JUMP: this one is long enough to have a jump!]

This is weird. It's not uncommon for these posts to have wildly divergent takes on players lower down the totem pole. Walker is not down the totem pole, and yet there's little clarity from the scouts. Scout's quick analysis in his profile lists "instincts" as a strength and "vision" as an area to improve as if those aren't synonyms in this context. That's a Kareem Walker scouting microcosm. I found the takes here a bit baffling. This is Scout's three-sentence evaluation of a guy they rated as a five star:

Walker runs well between the tackles and is explosive through the hole. He runs with a low center of gravity and is difficult to bring down on first contact. He can get to the edge but needs to improve on finding the hole when the play isn't blocked well in front of him.

Pretty lukewarm, that. Meanwhile I watched that Bergen Catholic game because of the contradictory nature of the takes and came away with the impression that Walker is an upright runner with middling power and an outstanding ability to suss out where a crease might appear and burst through it. Ace's independent reaction to that game:

His vision was very good, and he does subtle things that will become more apparent on the next level… the instincts that Michigan's backs have often lacked of late are present in Walker.

This is a relatively common assessment. 247 was referring to him as a "mature runner" in the middle of his sophomore year. ESPN's evaluation agrees:

eventual size, strength and speed combo in college could be at a premier level. Hits the hole quickly and in decisive manner. … Would benefit from a bit more patience at times … explosive in-line burst out of cuts to split the seam or to bounce and get the corner. Quick feet and lateral agility for a bigger back jump cutting on the move without losing much momentum. Can turn it on and really accelerate … Strong downhill runner who breaks through most first contact … Very good balance and lean …complete back that still has major upside as his body continues to fill out and physically develop.

Son of a Coach:

…tremendous lateral agility and very good feet. He shows a great burst out of his cuts and has great speed. …plenty of room to add weight naturally without losing any quickness. …able to maintain balance after contact and run with power. …runs tall, but will lower his pad level when making contact. His change of direction skills for a player his size are outstanding. …potential is through the roof.

Touch The Banner:

…hard to find weaknesses in his game. … runs through contact and finishes plays. He has good long speed, so he can put pressure on a defense to take proper angles. More importantly, he has good feet in the hole, can make some people miss in small spaces, and can avoid taking big hits. He also has the ability to make jump cuts and lateral movements to get to the outside and find creases in the defense. His vision helps him identify cutback lanes at the second and third level ….sometimes hurries through the hole and could afford to be a little more patient.

Clint Brewster:

runs with great authority as a downhill type of back that also has speed to take it the distance. Outstanding burst into the second level….hits the hole with decisiveness and power. … explosive first step…picks up a lot of yards after contact …ability to make people miss in the hole. …dangerous jump-cut and spin move. Can work on keeping pad level lower and not running so upright at times.

We have negative scouting reports bashing him for his timidity and positive ones that mention he could be a little more patient. The former are mostly based on the Army game; the latter appear to be based on his high school performances and earlier camps.

And even Rivals described pretty much the same guy earlier in the cycle:

bigger running back with great vision. His ability to change directions quickly is impressive for someone 6-1 and 210 pounds. Once Walker gets to the second and third levels, defenders have a very difficult time of bringing him down. If he can get to top speed, he will break away from defenders.

They also described him as "an easy mover who glides over the field with a good burst and change of direction"; "a powerful, upright runner with good burst"; a player whose "combination of speed, size and athleticism is rare" with "great vision and strength."

In the aftermath of the UA game, however, Rivals asserted that he "does not look like the same running back" because he "seemed hesitant, a little slower," and had a couple fumbles. I don't know, man. It feels like Rivals overrated Walker, realized they did so, and then pointed the finger at Walker instead of themselves. We're talking about practice.

Walker's spring was relatively quiet. The massive imbalance in depth between the second-string DL and OL resulted in a lot of carries where he got swallowed up in the backfield. The main event of note was a carry late in the spring game that featured one flattened walk-on:

There too you can see the natural running back instincts Walker has, as he bends that run outside and cuts just off his lead blocker's butt. There were some generically positive mentions in press conferences. The end.

FWIW, Walker's been through a lot to get to Ann Arbor. He says he "grew up really rough":

Growing up, I saw some crazy things in my neighborhood that people shouldn’t see. I was able to remain focused when seeing those things. I was able to stay focused and that’s something that people don’t really know. I credit it some to my mom, my grandmother. My dad passed away. For the most part I like to take a lot of responsibility.

Wheatley referenced that on MGoBlue:

Kareem is a very intelligent young man who understands what he wants out of life. He is well beyond his years -- meaning that he had to grow up a lot faster and earlier than what was expected. Kareem has handled himself in situations where others would not have made it and he has done well.

When Walker re-opened his recruitment and was deciding between Michigan and various Southern schools it was emphasized to me that he didn't have much of anything and that this made his decision a lot tougher. It had been made clear to him that certain other schools were offering considerably more than room and board. He went with Michigan anyway, and Harbaugh played a big role in that:

“He looked at me in my eyes, really, the whole time,” Walker said of his first encounter with Harbaugh. “A lot of recruiters don’t do that. That just showed me that he’s a man of his word and a man of integrity. So, it was real cool to get that.”

There aren't a lot of guys who would make that choice, and hopefully for his sake and Michigan's that indicates something about him that will translate to success. His UA coach loved his attitude

“… he’s been extremely explosive, and he has great vision. The most impressive thing about Kareem is his ability to adapt to coaching. He’s extremely receptive to constructive criticism, he has a positive attitude, and exceptional work ethic. Obviously, he’s very talented.”

…and while that can be generic coachspeak sometimes I did like the extremely specific nature of his response to a question about improvement he's seeking to make:

“I want to work on getting my feet higher,” Walker said. “A lot of big touchdown runs I could have had last year stopped from my legs getting tackled, or I’m seconds away from breaking a tackle and I get leg-tripped.”

In addition, his high school coach repeatedly praised his blocking; Wheatley describes Walker as a "tough as nails" player who will "put his face in there and block."

When I started this profile I expected it might come out like Ahmir Mitchell's. Guys who take big ranking hits at the end of the cycle sometimes don't fall far enough—Derrick Green is a good example—because recruiting sites aren't just evaluating the player but also their own opinions. I thought I'd be like "meh, next" except nicer about it. Instead I think Walker is a good bet to be a productive running back who makes the most of the blocking in front of him, with a decent chance that the 225-230 pound version of Walker is in fact the star he was reputed to be at halftime of OSU-Oregon.

Etc.:  The worst part of doing a profile for an OSU/M battle is having to wade through a metric ton of Bill Kurelic's crap:

And by the way, landing Walker is another jolt to Michigan and Harbaugh. There were some that felt Harbaugh had a very good shot at landing Walker. Now the Buckeyes not only have Walker, but it takes another top prospect away from Michigan and means the Buckeyes won’t have to play against him every year.

I gotta stop clicking on this stuff just in case there's an actual scouting tidbit in any of it. Salty salty:

"I don't know how many I've blocked on Twitter, but it's over 20 fans I've blocked," Walker told Webb. "When I get on Twitter, it just be a whole bunch of Ohio State fans. My thing be, if y'all got a better back, why y'all still salty I left?. 'Oh, Antonio Williams is better than Kareem.' Alright cool. Why y'all still tweeting at Kareem?"

Why Denard Robinson? Walker is a weird back with chicken legs and a wily ability to shoot into creases in the line, and the running back version of Denard Robinson we saw against South Carolina is the closest thing in the recent history of Michigan football. Both guys have excellent agility in tight spaces, the vision to make it count, and reasonable power largely dependent on not getting hit square and spinning through for a couple extra yards. Walker will end up bigger—he's got an inch or two on Robinson and is already around the same weight Robinson got up to his second year in the NFL—and slower—he is not Denard Robinson.

When he was an OSU commit their people compared him to Ezekiel Elliott. Elliott was almost exactly the same size coming out of high school; he ranked a little bit higher (70th in the composite). Over the course of his career he got up to 225; his NFL draft profile reads a lot like a best case scenario for Walker:

Elite combination of vision and decisiveness. Instinctive, short strider with instant reaction time. Has a bona fide jump-­cut to elude penetration in the backfield and enough burst to elude chasers when he bounces runs to the outside. Able to change directions with no hesitation or wasted motion and is always headed forward. Has innate feel for developing blocks in space and is excellent at setting his blocks up and accelerating from behind them when the linebacker is trapped. When it's gridlocked inside, finds yards on his own.

I think Walker has a lot of that.

Guru Reliability: Moderate-plus. Heavily scouted guy with a lot of similar scouting reports… and some wildly divergent ones. Big ranking split.

Variance: Low-plus. Not much projection. Not much doubt he'll get to the right size. Ton of high school production.

Ceiling: High. Great burst, very natural runner. Does not seem superhuman.

General Excitement Level: High-minus. A little doubt arises with the late drop, but I still like Walker a lot.

Projection: A redshirt would make sense since Michigan has a ton of tailbacks; unlike Kingston Davis, Walker probably isn't a guy who helps you on special teams. With his early enrollment and the position he plays I am doubtful he gets one. He'll see scattered snaps and get a bunch of carries late in blowouts.

In year two he'll probably back up Ty Isaac. As an upperclassman he's a very good bet to be the starting running back. Kingston Davis would have to hit his ceiling to pass him. The combine freaks in the 2017 class would have a better shot if only because people shaped like O'Maury Samuels and AJ Dillon should not be able to move like them.

Comments

Elmer

July 15th, 2016 at 4:38 PM ^

Highlight videos where they switch to slow-motion when the running back makes a cut or jukes a defender ARE THE WORST.  

They are so frustrating to watch. 

Joby

July 15th, 2016 at 4:50 PM ^

How about 2011 Fitz Toussaint as a comparison? Upright runner, made solid cuts, avoided direct hits, roughly the same size now (though admittedly Walker is likely to get bigger, and hopefully his blocking is better).

ScruffyTheJanitor

July 15th, 2016 at 5:01 PM ^

If he had been underrated, I would see things in his film that would make me think, "Dude has enough skills and a natural feel to outperform his rankings." Instead, people are like, "No, he's not an ankle-destroying demi-god." 

And as for comparison: is Marion Barber III a good one?

Gucci Mane

July 15th, 2016 at 5:28 PM ^

I believe Walker is the type of kid that will force himself to become great. I do not think he becomes an all time great, but he will push for all-big ten.

IndyBlue90

July 15th, 2016 at 5:29 PM ^

I wonder if he had some kind of injury or something going on that was limiting him during his senior year. When I watch his junior year I'm blown away, but his senior year I see a solid player with glimpses of upside. A lot of the things that are standing out to me aren't dependent on Oline play or other teams stacking the box; he just seemed more dynamic as a junior. Hopefully college level conditioning and maybe a bit less pressure from recruiting and such will see him bounce back to that player that everyone was wowed by.

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Sopwith

July 15th, 2016 at 5:31 PM ^

Ed Davis. Came in with a lot of hype in '92 but was eventually overshadowed by Biakabutkua (still managed to land 30th on Michigan all-time rush list). He had this upright, slightly skating style with a lot of patience and pop through the hole but not super explosive. A little shorter than Kareem but some of that style seems reminiscent. 

A couple of plays: https://youtu.be/1y4UVHiAIHU?t=8m46s

Brimley

July 15th, 2016 at 6:34 PM ^

but I am floored--FLOORED--at how damned open the cheating is at southern schools.  When it's so apparent that Brian cites it openly and our ATHLETIC DIRECTOR publically speaks of it, it goes beyond "haw haw bagmen" jokes and into gut-hurts-anger.  My God, will the NCAA ever grow a pair and enforce its own fucking rules?  Or stop the charade and allow some kind of payment?

Wolfman

July 15th, 2016 at 9:02 PM ^

and has for quite some time. However, I was able to live with it a bit easier prior to the BCS being introduced because prior to then the chances of it effecting us directly were remote. It has been an accepted practice in that part of the country for years, but I was bothered when Urb brought that cultural aspect to coaching with him. It's a bit different than Tressel because even though I believe Dabo will only be at Clemson until Saban retires, he is proof those familiar with the process can get you up and running in a few years and the one thing that trumps history and tradition is money. Now that the ACC is almost as bad as the SEC and with our conference adding schools so quickly, I am a bit concerned about the future of the BIG in that regard.

Many of these schools have no clue as to the reasoning for the selection of the charter members and the standards behind the formation. Hell Ga Tech left the SEC in 1964 due to over signing and we can see how much better that has become. It's actually sad when its easier to name the schools that don't participate or limit it (GA under Richt) and Vandy than the ones that do - all others. 

Some one posed an interesting question in an article I was reading in regard to the rampant chearting in the sec and an even more interesting answer.  Reporter A stated that now schools determine the price of a visit, say 4 - 6,000 dollars. Many just offer the player the same amount not to visit. It works pretty well. Some that had no association with the conference were wondering why certain schools didn't turn others in. "You can't turn in a school in just because they outbid you." Damn, their own honor code. Twisted. 

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

July 15th, 2016 at 6:41 PM ^

of a slow Jammal Charles. The lean, the hesitation in the backfield, the acceleration, always getting a few yards more than the hole justifies. Like Jammal, he doesn't seem to take too many direct hits (that's a Hart trait as well).

More important, Kareem seems to "warm up" as the game goes along. Watched him play a game live last year and he just looked like a guy getting comfortable in the 3rd Q while everyone else started to slow a little. Started to find creases better and accelerated thru them. Curious to see if the bigger, faster defenders wear him down more.

Danwillhor

July 15th, 2016 at 7:28 PM ^

Look at his legs. Green had the same problem (for a P5 HB) because you can't be 210+ and have legs like that. He isn't quite the bowling ball on chopsticks that Green is but he's very top-heavy and would benefit tremendously from getting his lower body proportional to his upper body. That said, if we can get a "Harbaugh OL" blocking for him he can be great! He's not the type to DeVeon Smith his was to 4 yards. If he's met at the LoS he's done. Get him to that second level clean or with a man to shake and he'll be fine. I'd prefer a RS but he may not get one.

Danwillhor

July 15th, 2016 at 7:34 PM ^

oh, and a slow Denard at HB is actually a great comparison. Who doesn't love some Denard.....but.....you're full of shit if you think he had tremendous vision or feel for a defense. Denard was fast - Olympic fast. End of story. He was pretty below-average wrt using angles, anticipation and thinking a step ahead in his running. He decided to run and ran as fast as he could without a whole lot of anything but speed. It worked almost every time but he wasn't Barry Sanders out there when he ran. He cost himself a lot of yardage and scores due to his style.

IndyBlue90

July 15th, 2016 at 10:07 PM ^

I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you are talking about. Maybe I'm misreading what you're saying but Denard had some of the best "feel" that you or I will ever see. He was very fast but he also created angles that just didn't exist and would make cut backs that took him all the way back across the field.

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wahooverine

July 16th, 2016 at 1:18 PM ^

Youre flat out wrong about Denard. You don't rush for that many yards or have that many epic long runs (during which he was completely untouched) by not having good running instincts, anticipation and vision. If he just had speed and ran blindly he would've run into defenders and his own blockers much more frequently. The only times he got tackled were when a defender made a heroic, desperate shoelace grasp to save a TD. Denard was a special running talent.

KAYSHIN15

July 16th, 2016 at 3:10 PM ^

Without great anticipation and feel? One of the dumbest things I've ever read. Denard was extremely fast, HOWEVER, he saw angles before everyone else, AND his speed enabled him to hit said angles...often.

Danwillhor

July 16th, 2016 at 9:06 PM ^

remember Denard as a runner juking dudes out of their jocks on the regular. He was fast - period. He was a QB and had 10 blockers on his runs so of course he had crazy stats because his speed alone did most of the work. He didn't have a great sense for much of anything else you covet in runner. He hit the hole/lane and damn near ran out of his skin. It worked a lot and cost him a lot. I can't count the times he tried running past a defenders shoulder to get tackled when delaying for ad second or taking an angle would have netted a lot more. Call it dumb or stupid if you want but you're misremembering the guy if you think that way. Amazing talent, love the guy but not a very instinctive runner. Didn't have to be when he was that fast.....

Slim_Hype

July 15th, 2016 at 10:20 PM ^

I'm really high on Kareem. I believe once his lower body fills out he will be dynamite. He kind of reminds me of Curtis Martin, smooth cuts and just a very smooth runner.

Don

July 16th, 2016 at 12:12 AM ^

If you don't have Denard's quickness and ability to quickly reach speed that nobody else on the field can match—which Walker doesn't—then there's no comparison.

I can't think of another UM RB with a direct similarity in running styles though. Nothing on Walker's junior tape said he was a difference-maker to my eyes.

A Fan In Fargo

July 16th, 2016 at 3:13 AM ^

You doubters are all fools. Wheatley recruited this guy. He will be tough once in the UM weight program. He has pretty good top end speed, has quicks and is strong. His talents though are his vision and using his body well and being nimble to shift into the creases with ease. Once he packs on more muscle and increases speed he'll be one hell of a threat behind good blockers who can make the holes.

Goggles Paisano

July 17th, 2016 at 7:36 AM ^

I had a Chuck Muncie jersey as a kid. I really liked the way the jersey looked and it just happend to be his number.  Chuck smoked cigarettes back when he played - I saw a pic of him with a heater hanging out of his mouth and thought...wow that is really odd for a professional athlete.  

Wolfman

July 17th, 2016 at 11:20 PM ^

I can recall the EGR tootball coach - can't recall his name but he was a great one - walk the sidelines, smoking cigarettes. And as odd as the Muncie pic was for you, it was not out of the ordinary to see one of the Tigers do a cigarette commercial before it became illegal to push them on t.v. Many of those players in the early 60s were making around 25-30K a year from baseball. 

I recall when they gave Kaline 100K. Believe he was in his final year and they said they were doing it for his many years of great play. With that raise he joined a very exclusive group like Mays, Mantle, Aaron and a few more I can't think of now, but they were all definitely considered the best at their positions. 

 

Low Key Recidivist

July 16th, 2016 at 11:27 AM ^

pretty much mirror mine.  Very good size, quickness, vision, balance and speed.  Lot of upside.

The only thing I saw which was somewhat worrisome:  he has a slight case of Derrick Green disease; he goes down too easily when getting tackled low in space.  Don't think it's a balance issue, but getting bigger/stronger in the legs/lower body will be a priority; coaching will help there as well.

As far as the UA game; not sure any RB would have performed that well against team Highlight's front 7; they were flat out beasts.

I like the Zeke Elliot comparison; a less beefy Clarett works as well (there's a reason the OSU faithful were a bit salty; he would have been a great fit in their spread power run attack).  I'll be suprised if he's not a productive back for UM.

Bertello NC

July 16th, 2016 at 3:59 PM ^

Yeah I seen the DG issue sprinkled in there as well. Almost a sense of being uninterested at times. Hopefully all these incoming backs including Issac will feed off of Deveon. The hunger and toughness that JH and the staff expects at that position. I think he'll factor in, maybe not so much this year but a year to get more acclimated and some strength and power in that lower half and next year will be productive. As long as the hunger is there.

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Honk if Ufer M…

July 16th, 2016 at 1:06 PM ^

I love Kareem, but I don't know why people want to sugar coat the Underarmour game. He honestly looked like he can't play football. The 3 other main backs in the game all looked great, they were quick, fast & decisive, had good moves & cutting, broke tackles, fought hard, broke tackles & seemed to keep what they were doing, Kareem didn't show any of those things that day, at least what I saw, I think the last 2/3 or 3qtrs of the game. That was the first time I saw him play, unfortunately I didn't see anything encouraging & was veryour surprised. 

Now I've finally watched some video on him from this post & see him looking much better, so that's hopeful. Also hopeful are a few other things based on getting to know him to a certain degree since he got here, such as, he seems determined as hell to work as hard as he can to be as good as he can & to be great. He's doing everything he can to be able to play & make an impact right now.

He seems really honest & trustworthy, down to earth & a good person who cares about being a good person, cares about people, has good priorities, seems loyal & he's smart & observant. So I think that makes him a good teammate that will be & is liked by players & coaches alike.

Additionally, though I  don't know if this is progress or the way he already was, but I saw him OMG topless a few weeks ago & he looked like a full grown Michigan running back in his upper body. It's only his legs that I could see were way too skinny when I  saw him play. If that's a lot of new muscle though,  maybe he's put on needed muscle in his legs already too.

I have more confidence from what he seems to be like than from what I've seen on the field so far. If he doesn't look great out of the gate then I think he'll get better and better. 

wahooverine

July 16th, 2016 at 1:33 PM ^

He has an efficient running style, very good acceleration, vision/instincts and balance. Good power and good speed. His "great gait" enables him to smoothly shift direction and shift laterally while maintaining his speed and moving foward with power when contacted. I think he'll be a yardage machine when the Harbaugh/Drevno running game is fully operational. He'll be running behind into big holes with blockers like TWJR and Bredesoor and/or some huge fullback out in front.

Sextus Empiricus

July 17th, 2016 at 1:31 AM ^

Kareem is a good person
We have many good people...you win with people.

There are two things I really don't like about Harbaugh. Recruiting and leadership are neither. I respect Harbaugh for being real and communicating that to the extent that bag men are thwarted.

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