Flowers Update
I guess you can chalk this up as a win for MGoBlog; but its not necessarily good news for Michigan.
Earlier today there was a bit of a dispute as TomVH told us things weren't looking good for Hakeem Flowers, whilst the guys at scout.com were very hopeful on UM's chances.
Well it now appears Michigan has stopped recruiting Flowers; I guess Hoke doesn't think they need a receiver in this class. Either that or he's got someone else lined up.
Anyway, for the guy who asked whether he should buy a rivals or scout account on the board earlier, I hope this answers your question.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:11 PM ^
...I just don't understand. No WRs this year? It won't hurt us now, but it'll almost certainly hurt us 2-3 years down the road unless we REALLY pull out a great WR class next year.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:12 PM ^
I think with Stonum and Hemingway leaving next year, we need one outside receiver in the the class, and Flowers seemed to be a good option for that.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 PM ^
IMHO, we needed one WR whether Flowers or Lucien. Maybe this is a good sign that the staff has a good feeling on some of the other guys. trying to take something positive out fo this.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:17 PM ^
Maybe they do..but there is literally NO ONE else that has been mentioned. Normally, at least indications of contact leak out
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:24 PM ^
Not to overlap thread, but who do you think we get with the 6 schollies that are left. I know the D was bad last year, but this is a lot of D.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:35 PM ^
Your guess is really as good as mine. I think we'll end up with OH LB Frank Clark, IL OL Chris Bryant, and CO LB Leilon Willingham. Outside of that, it'll be interesting.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:03 AM ^
I guess we are not banking any schollie's for next year.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:39 AM ^
I'm with Magnus, in thinking that the only reason to bank scholarships is if next year's class is particularly small, which it's not.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:26 PM ^
Dorial Green Beckham?
But seriously, does Michigan have any chance to get him in 2012?
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:30 PM ^
I think it's very early in his recruitment and there's a lot of time left. However, at this point, we don't really have any 'ins' or 'connections' to the kid, we don't stick out to him, and he's not from a particularly M-friendly area. If we get in contact, I think he'd listen, but I'm not sure he's already more focused on some of the bigger dogs that jumped on him early.
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:48 AM ^
He is going to be a national recruit. Maybe top 10 nationally, maybe even top 5. He will be a huge pick up if we can get him. Most of the top powers have offered him already.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Dorial-Green-98…
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:30 AM ^
Almost certainly top-5. I expect him to make a strong running for #1 in the nation with the likes of DC NT Eddie Goldman, TX DE Mario Edwards, and perhaps NC RB Keith Marshall
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:28 PM ^
as of right now it seems as if the 2012 class will be a great one. Tons of big prospects.
Who are the big fish in Michigan for next year?
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:27 PM ^
i think by not taking a WR in this class, hoke is saying a few things:
1. he is confident in our younger WRs (this past seasons freshies)
2. he is being very selective about who he goes after. i dont think he is going under the approach that we need to get bodies, just for the sake of having bodies. he is trying to find people that are going to be the right fit for the team
3. i'm sure he is looking ahead to next years recruiting class, and likes what he sees as WRs
4. obviously the one statement he is also making (based on who he is going after) is that our d needs HELP
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:36 PM ^
I can't really dispute any points. You may be right. I just think, not complaining, that we may be overemphasizing the D a bit. I know the D was bad and we need help, but besides OL, we have 1 maybe 2 skill positions.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:38 PM ^
We just poached recruits from perennial LOSERS Vandy and Minnesota. This would be the opposite of being selective.
13 recruits and 5 of them DBs. This after taking five last year. Interesting....
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:43 PM ^
Is it maybe possible that the coaches, that have spent their entire lives coaching mind you, might know a good player when they see them?
Or do you just want to keep posting this over and over again?
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:13 AM ^
for pointing that out my friend.Also is not like WRS are hard to come by we have plenty.Now as for DBS we all know what has happen to us the last couple of years.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:12 AM ^
Upperclassman Denard and Devin will dominate and Michigan will be so far ahead that we'll be playing dime the entire second half for the forseeable future! That's why we're recruiting so many DBs, obviously.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:09 AM ^
And all of that after the clusterfuck of a secondary we've had the last 3 years.
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:51 PM ^
That and I believe keeping Jackson on staff, aside from him being a good coach, gives BH a good insight on who is who on the team he inherits.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 PM ^
I agree but if you look at our team now, we need a lot of help in other areas...especially on defense, 109th in nation is ridiculous....I'd love Flowers but I'm sure Hoke is doing what's best for team
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:27 PM ^
I know Hoke is doing the best. Still interesting to talk about and see what others think. I agree that defense needs help, but if we get McClure and Raven, that is 7 db's. Ben is right from another thread that it's a lot to take. Also, at LB's we have some as well and we stil might need a TE.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:21 PM ^
But Roundtree returns, along with Stokes, Miller, etc...
I think the emphasis will be on top tier WRs next class.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:41 AM ^
I think it probably means they are very high on Miller -- Fred Jackson will know what Rodriguez and Magee thought of him, and thus Hoke and Borges are not too worried about it, with one dominant redshirt freshman already on the roster at WR. [Insert joke about Fred's penchant for hyperbole here.]
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:50 AM ^
Everybody seems to think he is moving to TE.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 PM ^
Exactly. We have a lot of depth at WR right now. But we also lose a lot next year with little in the way of proven talent behind them. Not taking any WR's is a little like only taking 1 OLineman in a class. You can get away with it one year but you need to make up for it the next or find yourself in serious trouble down the road.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 PM ^
where the talent doesn't have to prove itself as freshmen. We have guys there who haven't been forced to play (much) before their time. But it's possible they have talent and may even have developed some skill before they're asked to take over.
I'd still like to think Lucien's a possibility, but I trust the coaches know what they need and what they can hope to get to fill out their team.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:16 AM ^
we are Michigan right,wide receiver U.I mean look at all the WR we have put into the NFL.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:21 AM ^
We have a lot of depth at WR right now
Yes! But you can't just think about the now with recruiting... with the (possible) early draft guys, we may regret this in a couple years. Plus, we have so many schollies available! I would love to eat my words about that when the deadline comes, but right now, I seriously doubt it.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:07 AM ^
Kids, this is what happens when you only read the first line of a post...
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:17 PM ^
I would rather have another OL in this class than a WR.
With all the wideouts from last year, its not a big deal if we have a gap. I really don't understand why people seem to be freaking out over this.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:19 PM ^
But still, from 'all the wideouts from last year', I personally only see Jerald Robinson or Jeremy Jackson as real contributors. DJ Williamson has shown nothing but speed, Dileo's a pure ST, Miller's a TE, Sayed's a walk-on. That wideout class isn't really that spectacular, they're just bodies.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:24 PM ^
That wideout class isn't really that spectacular, they're just bodies.
Did you come to this conclusion from watching practices extensively?
This seems to be a very strong statement coming from a guy who read some things on the internet. You sound like a pretty big jackass calling our entire WR corps "just bodies".
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:28 PM ^
Ok, yes, that was a douchey, Magnus-inspired comment. I shouldn't judge these kids, maybe they're superstars. My point is that they are unproven. Turning away Flowers is limiting options in the future, however, in case these kids aren't spectacular, or at least solid.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 PM ^
and that is how disagreements are resolved -- with civilty and rationality.
nice work by two mgo-titans!
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:45 PM ^
Isn't it possible that DJ grows a pair of hands? I mean, the guy is really young. Get him a WR coach that knows what he is doing and maybe we'll see some positive returns.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:19 PM ^
Residual paranoia about recruiting WRs from the Matt Millen era.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:29 AM ^
now that is a funny post
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 PM ^
Yep, build the lines first, totally agree.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:46 AM ^
Agreed, we need DT, TE, S, DT, DE & QB help before we need WR help.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:26 PM ^
I'm surprised by this, too, and it never seems like a good idea to sign zero recruits in any position group.
The main thing I'm left thinking is that they really view the slot receivers as plausible options in this offense. That they're counting Grady, Robinson, Gallon, Dileo among their list of receivers and think that they will work just fine in the offense. If they become more interchangeable with the outside receivers, then the receiver depth chart looks more crowded.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:38 AM ^
That is exactly what I was thinking. Borges will not be running 4 and 5 receiver formations. You don't need a lot of depth at the WR position when you only play 2-3 guys.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:40 AM ^
With so little time left the coaching staff had to focus like a laser on the key areas affecting the team and with out a doubt the 2 areas were the D and the ST. They have gone out and targeted D recruits and they targeted a K. WR is just not a a pressing concern when we've got 9 WR's and 7 Slot receivers on the depth chart. Whatever scholarships we don't use we will have for next year and next year is looking like THE year to make a splash with so much talent available.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:11 AM ^
Duh, it's obvious we have a silent commit from DeAnthony Arnett. /s
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:18 PM ^
I remember Borges saying in one of his interviews that the team had "receivers galore." That immediately leapt out at me as a not so subtle indication that he thought we were overloaded in the WR department. Hopefully he realizes most of those are younger, unproven guys.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:11 PM ^
Yay us!
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:13 PM ^
Makes me think Hoke is confident in having a full class.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 PM ^
maybe he knows something that we dont. Maybe there is a highly rated WR on his radar. DeAnthony maybe???
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:03 AM ^
I was wondering the same thing. IIRC someone said that his Twitter was full of pro-M stuff....