Brady Hoke and Glenville HS
This isn't necessarily "insider news," but a comment from Frank Clark that struck me as rather interesting and very encouraging. Clark is a 3 star TE/LB who will be visiting this weekend for his official. Frank Clark plays at Glenville. I think this kind of statement will help us, especially in 2012. My guess is for Clark it will come down to Michigan and Michigan State:
"I will be visiting Michigan next week, and I'm excited about that," he stressed. "I haven't really talked to the new coaching staff, but they have been talking to Coach (Ted) Ginn about me, and I know he respects the new guys a lot. They have been talking."
That right there is called Brady Hoke developing good relationships with Ohio Coaches, including one of the premier (if not the premier) HS coaches in the state.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:07 PM ^
but I like their players, only if they commit to Michigan.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:32 PM ^
every time I see it...I want to yell SHENANIGANS!!!
January 17th, 2011 at 2:20 PM ^
Right meow?
January 17th, 2011 at 4:25 PM ^
whats that restaurant that u love with all the goofy sh** on the walls?
January 17th, 2011 at 6:20 PM ^
shenanigans?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:07 PM ^
"...I know he respects the new guys a lot". That begs the question; what did coach Ginn think of the previous guys?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:09 PM ^
....I think that answer has been somewhat obvious over the past few years...
January 17th, 2011 at 1:13 PM ^
I wasn't too down on RR, but definitely frustrated. It's interesting that Ginn, a HS coach - the type of coach whose relationship is so important for someone like RR, may view RR as someone that cannot be trusted with the welfare of Ginn's current players.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:21 PM ^
to M while RR was here. Higher ranked guys than Frank Clark. Ginn Sr's problems were with LC and until we get a Glenville guy that OSU wants I'm not buying it. OSU doesn't want Clark or Jones and I still don't believe we'll get them.
Remember Marcus Hall proclaiming M his leader, Aundrey Walker was here, and others also came while RR was here. I'm starting to think the blog is turning into what the country is becoming a bunch of sheep who follow what the masses want.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:32 PM ^
I'm starting to think the blog is turning into what the country is becoming a bunch of sheep who follow what the masses want.
This blog is becoming a massive run-on sentence?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:50 PM ^
I feel privileged. Thank you!
January 17th, 2011 at 2:02 PM ^
The sheep are following what the masses want? What is the relationship between the sheep and the masses? Are the masses ... I don't know, wildebeests, and the internet message boarders who follow them sheep?
I need to know these things.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:34 PM ^
follow what the masses want.
You mean a democracy? Yeah, f that. We should just blindly obey a despot.
January 17th, 2011 at 3:20 PM ^
Agreed, when it comes to Glenville the overall position should be show me. So far the Glenville pipeline looks shut down and I'd need to see actual results before I act like there's any hope.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:10 PM ^
There was supposedly friction between Carr and Ginn Sr. When Ginn Jr. came up for a visit he was supposedly blown off or something and Ginn Sr. felt offended and led to issues.
Of course when we hired RR he went after people in Glenville as well and everyone hoped that the new coach would possibly open up Glenville to Michigan but nothing major really came from it. I'll believe it when Hoke starts to sign guys but until then Glenville is mostly a tOSU pipeline.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:12 PM ^
Glenville people also think Carr 'mistreated' Pierre Woods or something like that.
January 17th, 2011 at 3:09 PM ^
He kinda did.
January 17th, 2011 at 4:05 PM ^
I take it you are from the Dantonio school of player discipline?
January 17th, 2011 at 6:36 PM ^
What did Woods do to deserve two years in the doghouse, especially at a time when Carr shuffled up the defensive line with one constant principle: Pat Massey must start.
If it wasn't enough to get him thrown off the team, it must have not been that bad.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:15 PM ^
I seem to remember that it he didn't get the scholarship offer that he wanted after a camp. Maybe we wanted him on defense and he only wanted to play offense, or something like that.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:27 PM ^
tOSU=tSDS (that school down south)
January 17th, 2011 at 2:06 PM ^
tOSU = tSIO (that school in Ohio--were doing it Hoker style now!)
January 17th, 2011 at 1:15 PM ^
The only person he doesn't like is Lloyd Carr because we wouldn't give 'ittle Teddy Ginn a scholarship at WR, only DB. Or so goes the general wisdom that has been spit out by the rumor-mongers.
edit: oops - crex faster with the button thingies
January 17th, 2011 at 1:09 PM ^
We still won't get any elite talent from Glenville that has an OSU offer.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:10 PM ^
Which is a shame, because they have two pretty good DBs coming out next year
January 17th, 2011 at 1:10 PM ^
is it possible to move Glennville to Michigan? If so, could we then pull elite talent from Glenville?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:12 PM ^
For a while Cass Tech was kind of our own little version of Glenville, but it hasn't been producing as much talent lately as it used to.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:13 PM ^
..Next year will be a very good year for Cass Tech. There are 4-5 D1 caliber juniors (rising seniors) on their roster this year
January 17th, 2011 at 1:16 PM ^
to hire Gillmore, the Illinois DL coach. He has apparently great recruiting ties in Detroit. Would help us restore dominance in the Detroit area. I think Hoke will continue to solidify the Cass Tech pipeline as well.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:23 PM ^
It's Ginn Sr's school. The team plays under the Glenville moniker IIRC.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:12 PM ^
they share Hoke's sentiments he had growing up "just wanted to be different from my friends" [explanation for being a Michigan fan].
January 17th, 2011 at 1:10 PM ^
I love coach hoke!
January 17th, 2011 at 1:12 PM ^
recruit Chris Wormley. Ohio guy, grows up Michigan fan, DL. Who better than Hoke.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:15 PM ^
That's just a random comment, right? Wormley goes to Toledo Whitmer...which is a lot closer to AA than the middle of Cleveland
January 17th, 2011 at 1:17 PM ^
Could we train ninja kittens to infiltrate Cleveland?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:19 PM ^
meow, what good would that do?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:17 PM ^
talking about 2012 players coming out of Ohio. Not comparing Toledo to Glenville. But you know tOSU will go hard after Wormley and I don't think RR ever got a kid in Ohio who tOSU offered.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:21 PM ^
Justin Turner.
January 18th, 2011 at 12:49 AM ^
Turner went to Massillon, not Glenville.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:21 PM ^
OSU has many an option at DE in 2012, and not many slots available. They'll go hard after Wormley, but not as hard as if there weren't 10 bazillion other 4* DEs available in the state. As far as your second statement... well JT Turner for one. Jerald Robinson was about to get an OSU offer but he committed to Michigan (they called his coach and offered). Kevin Koger had an OSU offer, Patrick Omameh had an OSU offer, and I'm sure there's a few I'm missing
January 17th, 2011 at 1:26 PM ^
Facts:
1) RR wasn't able to lure a Ohio recruit with an OSU offer in the last 2 years (Jerald didn't get one).
2) Koger was a semi-Lloyd commit (but props to RR for keeping him on board)
3) None of the guys you mentioned (save Turner) was a major focus on tOSU recruiting class.
This is obviously not to disparage these players at all. Guys like Omameh, Koger, Robinson are or will be good, productive players on this team. But when you have names like Howard and Woodson coming from Ohio, there's no question that our Ohio recruiting has not been the same recently.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:36 PM ^
Regarding Jerald Robinson, from a Scout Article:
My family and I were talking to Coach Rodriguez, and my dad got a call from my coach,” Robinson remembered. “He stepped out in the hallway for a minute and then he called me out there. My coach talked to me and asked me about my visit. I told him it was great and I was talking to Coach Rodriguez right then. He asked me if I committed yet, and I told him I was getting ready to right that second. He said he had the coaches from Ohio State on the phone asking if I had committed yet, and he said he thought they were going to offer right there. I just told him ‘I’m a Wolverine’ and my dad said he’s not taking it, and that I committed to Michigan. That’s the end of the story. At one point I did like Ohio State a lot, and they were my top school. After I visited Ohio State and then Michigan, I’d much rather be at Michigan. The coaching staff here makes you feel more welcome
They were about to offer him.
In regards to Koger, you're more or less right. When Rodriguez was hired, he contemplated looking around, but ended up sticking with his commitment because he liked Rodriguez. Whenever a new coach is hired, a commitment's recruitment almost starts over again, Rodriguez had to earn Koger's respect.
As far as Omameh goes...he wasn't really a major focus of ours until after his senior season...same with OSU. We both made pushes for him and we got him.
I will agree that our Ohio recruiting hasn't been the same in while, but outside of Boren (bleh) and Cobrani Mixon, Carr wasn't exactly cleaning up either. It's a pretty big statement to put that on RR's shoulders
January 17th, 2011 at 1:36 PM ^
No doubt I would love Wormley, he's be almost certainly the biggest get in the 2012 class. But if he goes to OSU for whatever reason, then they won't have room for all the other DEs in Ohio so we'd be in good shape for a couple of those.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:42 PM ^
Wormley's the only one we're really 'in good shape' with at this time. I'd like to get Wormley and let OSU take their pick of Greg McMullen, Latroy Lewis, Se'von Pittman, and Adolphus Washington, among others. But if any of them want to head north I certainly wouldn't say no.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:27 PM ^
Yeah, that could all change. OSU took three highly rated DEs in this class, and since they should have a smaller class in 2012, I doubt they take more than two. We should be in good shape for at least 2 very good DEs.
January 17th, 2011 at 4:58 PM ^
DGD - what do you know about those two big DEs from Gibraltar in 2012 - Kyle Ready and Kodi Kieler. Both are about 6'5" 240 as juniors, so they have very good size. Any word on thier interest or worthiness of a UM offer?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:37 PM ^
...both Public and Parochial are a darn good area to have recruiting ties to (its not Cleveland metro, but its pretty darn good). So if we continue to increase our presence in that area, it'll be all the better.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:13 PM ^
We did pull Pierre Woods out there (2001)