The ND rape case details

Feels good to have the media acquittal. Now, what about the redrum? I made reference to sexual batter in my last Forum submission, btw.

i knew this would be posted by you

Lets call Drew Dull and see if he can find the truth. I hear he has extra time on his hands.

Irish, there may be more going on in the background which may cause ND to be silent on the matter.  Let's hope it turns out to be no more than your squib shows.  Perhaps the potential for civil litigation is lurking, and they are trying to quietly settle the matter?

While we like to kick your butt on the field, ND is a fine school and this and the unfortunate death of the student photographer are not the kind of news any of us likes to hear about ND or any other university.

Wouldn't some in the Cathloic community consider "lewd text messages" a form of rape?!?

Is it just me or does the title way seem way too excited for a topic about rape?

This post almost sounds smug in announcing the alleged crime was 'only' sexual battery.  Still seems somewhat besmirching to me.

This is a horrific tragedy for everyone involved, especially that girl's family.  I think folks should reserve judgement on how ND authorities responded, and I think it's improper to speculate on what happened.  Having said that, as a general matter (alleged) sexual assault is still a crime, and should be taken seriously. 

I can't believe ND would have stone walled everyone like this on such a serious matter.

Thank you for updating on this case. As usual, ND has handled the situation impeccably. Just ask the Seebergs.

No more...

The word rape has been used too broadly and inaccurately with this case, but you can do tremendous psychological and emotional damage to someone in a sexual assault without penetration.  And the outrage about this case is not based on the fact that the victim was raped and not just sexually assaulted.  The outrage is that ND's response was so tepid and unresponsive that it left a promising young person distraught and hopeless, and that she is now dead, and that ND's public relations response to all this is to put out a statement essentially saying to the parents: "we are right; and you're just hysterical because your daughter is dead." 

It is not clear that ND's inaction directly killed someone but I think the alleged victim's repeated efforts to move the investigation forward suggest she cared very much about ND's response.  And the pathetic nature of that response certainly didn't help.  At issue here is a human life.

So your post, which essentially boils down to "there was no penetration -- Go Irish!" bothers me.  And your distinction, while it matters for grammatical accuracy and lowers the legal penalty, does not answer the question or absolve the ND player (who must be a critical contributer if Kelly won't cut bait). 

You can declare a symantic victory, but it is a limited one, made in very poor taste, and not worthy of this smug, triumphant post.

I wish the police in EL would show some integrity and some concern for the victim.  Apparently, though, in EL, if you are an MSU basketball player, the word "justice" has a different meaning than it does for the general public. 

A girl is dead, Irish.  Stop fucking joking.

The smug triumphilism of this post is disgusting. Thinking that this was any reason to run over to your rivals blog and celebrate is mind boggling poor judgement.

So, the charge of rape was never made or considered. We've got a woman who made a statement and went to the hospital for an exam. There are plenty of other types of charges like sexual assault that might apply. But we don't know because the plantiff is dead and nobody is talking.

Congratulations Irish. This must be a proud day for you.

You seem to think that your odd disclaimer somehow immunizes you against poor taste and judgement. You don't 'condone' potnetial sexual assault? Good for you.

...to match this sordid tale. This is just sad and unfortunate in all respects.

Claiming some measure of vindication because it is a sexual assault that might be somewhat less severe than originally suspected won't get you much traction.

I really hope you aren't trying to draw some parallel between this and what we went through with the freep.   That would be in really bad taste.

Obviously the girl's parents will feel vindicated by it not being a case of rape and merely sexual battery that led to their daughter's death.

Give me a fucking break.  That's disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I don't think people are stupid for thinking that it might happen at ND.