TP at Michigan
FanHouse at SI.com has this to say about Terrelle Pryor going to Michigan instead of Ohio State:
Ohio State lost. Perhaps it's finally time to admit that he is not a Heisman Trophy candidate. And that he, Michigan, and even the Buckeyes might all be in a better place were he wearing maize and blue.
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/10/18/blanket-coverage-suppose-te…
Thanks, but No Thanks. I think we're all quite happy with the way things turned out with Denard. The Dude is PURE MICHIGAN!!
October 18th, 2010 at 11:56 PM ^
Obviously that's easy to say after the fact, but we might have BOTH Pryor AND Robinson. Remember that the only other school that recruited Robinson as a QB was Kansas State. Don't forget Pryor would have been great in both 2008 and 2009 (enabling Robinson to redshirt).
October 18th, 2010 at 11:58 PM ^
Why, exactly, would Pryor have been great in this alternate universe when he still isn't great in the one we are living in?
October 19th, 2010 at 12:01 AM ^
He would be in an offense that fits his abilities.
October 19th, 2010 at 9:20 AM ^
he's still dumb as a rock, though
October 19th, 2010 at 9:24 AM ^
So was Vince Young, but he turned out to play pretty well.
October 19th, 2010 at 10:15 AM ^
Only in his senior year.
October 19th, 2010 at 10:26 AM ^
Vince Young left after his junior year and like Prior, had a break out rose bowl game his sophmore year (against Michigan). He then turned that Rose Bowl into a great junior year and won the National Championship against USC. I am not sure, but I think Young played pretty well his sophmore year as well.
October 19th, 2010 at 11:52 AM ^
| Year | Passing | Rushing | ||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Comp | Att | Yards | TDs | Int | Att | Yds | Avg | TD | ||
| 2003 | 84 | 143 | 1,155 | 6 | 7 | 135 | 998 | 7.4 | 11 | |
| 2004 | 148 | 250 | 1,849 | 12 | 11 | 167 | 1,079 | 6.5 | 14 | |
| 2005 | 212 | 325 | 3,036 | 26 | 10 | 155 | 1,050 | 6.8 | 12 | |
| Totals | 444 | 718 | 6,040 | 44 | 28 | 457 | 3,127 | 6.8 |
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Keep in mind, VY redshirted. So his 3rd year in the system wasn't really all that special (RS Soph)
October 19th, 2010 at 1:55 PM ^
With Ced Benson and Selvin Young, VY was able to run for more than 1000 yards in '04. Also half his games were decided by more than 21 points or more so he never really was forced to pass the ball that much.
October 19th, 2010 at 10:32 AM ^
Vince Young was the best college football player of the 2000s. He single handedly won a national championshp, ended the USC dynasty and should've won the Heisman in '05. He put up Denardian statistics every game during his sophomore and junior years and never got hurt.
October 19th, 2010 at 11:47 AM ^
Oops, junior year. My comment was a little sarcastic. But up until that Rose Bowl game against us he was not very impressive. He had a couple of good games like Pryor but nothing that would make you think he was the best player in college football, let alone the whole decade.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:08 AM ^
Pryor might not be great at throwing, but you don't need to be great at throwing to succeed in RichRod's offense. He would probably be a better runner as well, since he'd have the proper training from the QB coach who trained Pat White.
October 19th, 2010 at 6:59 AM ^
...of course, you exhibit the propensity to throw interceptions in the red zone. That tends to hurt a bit.
October 19th, 2010 at 10:08 AM ^
I dont want Pryor anywhere near Ann Arbor. I dont like the kid and I never have. He isnt a leader and he hasnt shown any improvement as a passer. I dont like the way he carries himself, hes not a leader and the QB needs to be a leader.
October 19th, 2010 at 10:13 AM ^
think about his leadership skills?
October 19th, 2010 at 1:02 PM ^
Kansas State Recruited him as a CB. Florida said he would have a chance to play QB in certain situations but not full time.
October 19th, 2010 at 4:19 PM ^
Remember that the only other school that recruited Robinson as a QB was Kansas State.
No, Florida did as well. What really made us stand out was that our QB position was wide open. That would not have been the case if we'd had Pryor.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:58 PM ^
Seems like this always comes up when ever OSU loses. Same thing last year when they lost to Purdue. They still have a crazy record with TP as the starter and think it's a bit much to pull this out when they lose once a year.
October 19th, 2010 at 9:33 AM ^
Come on man, put some more thought into it than that (and give the people who have consistently said what the OP has said more credit than that). I've watched at least part of every OSU game since Pryor has been on campus at OSU and it's blatantly obvious that OSU has "a crazy record with TP as the starter" inspite of Pryor, not because of Pryor. The only game that it's legitmate to argue that they would have lost had Pyor not been the starter was Wisconsin in 2008. Other than that, [insert random game managing QB] would have won all of those games, as well (yes, even the Oregon game). It's not just something people "pull out when OSU loses; it's something an objective analysis of his actual performance reveals on a week in and week out basis.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:58 PM ^
I don't want anyone at Michigan who doesn't even know the name of the school he is "attending"
October 19th, 2010 at 9:18 AM ^
Sometimes I think maybe he said 'the university of ohio state' to trick us a bit, like during those public announcements when they reach for a hat and then grab the other one. That, or he really does belong at OSU.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:01 AM ^
This would only benefit OSU if they had a competent pro-QB, which they don't. If they had recruited cousins or lefevre, it would be a different story.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:02 AM ^
is running out of interesting things to talk about.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:02 AM ^
the Ohio State and being disappointed. Now... not so much.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:08 AM ^
I think you mean the University of Ohio State.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:02 AM ^
Would have dynamite in the spread. Whatever.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:04 AM ^
Fanhouse has been wrong before but this is epic wrongness. I doubt there's even one Michigan fan that wouldn't have loved to have Prior under center the past two years. Puleeze.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:08 AM ^
to see Pryor as a Wolverine. I mean, everybody murders, whatever.
October 19th, 2010 at 3:02 AM ^
perspective to the "shotgun".
October 19th, 2010 at 9:31 AM ^
It never gets old
October 19th, 2010 at 12:09 AM ^
Nick Sheridan, Injured Steven Threet and Injured Tate Forcier. I would be 100% good if Pryor had committed to Michigan.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:24 AM ^
We probably would have won more those years...I mean definitely, but at what expense?
Suppose Denard doesn't see himself in TP's shadow, and doesn't come to Michigan? Hindsight is always 20/20, but I see Denard as a delight to have as a representative of the University of Michigan. TP?...not so much. I think there is certainly a character differential between the two.
October 19th, 2010 at 8:50 AM ^
Which still doesn't preclude Denard coming here. If Rich had his program up and running, Denard would have redshirted anyway, and still not been playing now. I think we can recruit with good players already here.
October 19th, 2010 at 10:30 AM ^
I don't think there's any logical football argument against Pryor at Michigan being a good thing. Assuming everything in this alternate Pryor universe parallels our reality: Denard would have been able to redshirt, giving Gardner the option to redshirt as well. TP could go pro after this year, allowing Denard a two year development period and then take over as the starter for his junior and senior years. Upon graduation you have a very-hyped quarterback in Gardner taking over. I think that progression guarantees we win at least 5 more games in the past couple years. Obviously it isn't enough to overcome everything else that went wrong, but you can't deny that triumvirate is talent built for a RR offense.
And then on the other hand, he chose OSU, so fuck 'em.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:18 AM ^
mgoblog rule: must have a thread about "What if Pryor came to Michigan" after every poor TP game. Must ignore TP if he has a good game.
What about all of the other recruits that chose between OSU and Michigan? I feel they're getting shafted.
What if Koger went to OSU? Zwick went to Michigan? Hagerup went to OSU? So many possible posts!
October 19th, 2010 at 2:37 AM ^
What if Boren had a work ethic?
October 19th, 2010 at 9:35 AM ^
Must ignore TP if he has a good game.
Probably not the best standard, as that would mean Pryor would only be ignored one or two times (at most) per season.
October 19th, 2010 at 9:46 AM ^
Let's not stop there. Imagine if Tim Tebow went to OSU, or Colt McCoy suited up for UM? What about Jacory Harris playing for BGSU, or Prince Amukamara lining up for TCU?
October 19th, 2010 at 11:06 AM ^
Or Ricky Stanzi stayed in Ohio and went to Ohio State. Then every Michigan fan would have to choose between Michigan and America.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:21 AM ^
We can make fun of Pryor all we want, but he's still pretty good. And he'd be much better in our offense than he is in Tressel's. He may not be as fast as DRob, but he sure can throw a better deep ball.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:26 AM ^
Not trying to say he isn't good. Not at all. I am just very satisfied with Denard as our marquee player from the "whole person" standpoint vice the alternative.
October 19th, 2010 at 8:23 AM ^
I don't know what OSU game you are referring to, but I have never seen TP throw a deep ball that didn't look like a duck that had just been shot. Seriously, Denard hasn't shown the ability to consistently throw a deep ball accurately but he throws a tight spiral and can chuck it deep with velocity. TP does not.
Honestly I don't know where all this "Denard can't throw a deep ball" comes from.
October 19th, 2010 at 8:28 AM ^
But the fact that "Denard hasn't shown the ability to consistently throw a deep ball accurately" is probably where "Denard can't throw a deep ball" comes from.
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October 19th, 2010 at 9:24 AM ^
Pryor's throws may not look pretty and the ball might not be a tight spiral, but it gets there much more often than Denard's.
October 19th, 2010 at 9:38 AM ^
Maybe, but Denard's deep ball has shown something that Pryor's hasn't: the propensity to be on time and accurate when it really matters. So while Pryor may do it more consistently, I'm perfectly content with the fact that Denard does it when it matters.
October 19th, 2010 at 6:43 PM ^
I'm perfectly content with the fact that Denard does it when it matters.
You mean like this past Saturday against Iowa?
October 19th, 2010 at 9:22 PM ^
How about the last drives against Notre Dame and Indiana (i.e. when it matters).
October 30th, 2010 at 11:23 PM ^
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October 19th, 2010 at 12:26 AM ^
I know he's an idiot and I know he goes to OSU, but let's be rational and realize that he would've had a lot of potential in our system. The guy is 6'6" and still ridiculously fast for his speed... it doesn't look like he's moving that quickly, but that's because his stride is so big. People bring up his poor performances, but you have to realize that Tressel is making him throw deep far more often than Rich Rod ever would have.
I'm not saying I like the guy, but we'd be lying to ourselves to say that we wouldn't have been ecstatic if he committed here two years ago.