dude, tom brady is the man
did anyone else catch his interview on ESPN about his ongoing contract?
said he's happy just to have a job and he's not gonna "bitch" about not getting paid.
guy dates smoking hot babes and he's sick at football. I'll always feel bad about booing him off the field and cheering for henson to take his place.
What game did you boo him off the field? You shouldn't boo any player off the field - these kids try their hardest. I am still upset with the way people treated John Navarre.
i don't remmeber the exact game, but its something i think about every time i cheer for him now. alot of people rooted against him and he's still a huge fan of u of m and is probably our most accomplished nfl player.
Not disagreeing with your comment....just adding to it. He's probably not just our most accomplished NFL player, but the world's most accomplished NFL player.
....did you also chant for Mallett to relieve Henne?
nope, i was always a chad henne fan
I almost got into a fight with a 40-year-old guy after I told fans to shut the fuck up and stop booing the team during '08 Wisconsin. Luckily, the team was able to shut them up for me.
I cannot stand when people boo our team in Michigan Stadium...
Good for you. People who boo these kids when they are trying their best need to be put in their place.
This isn't recreational football for little children, they're paid athletes, getting either around $92,000 or $120,000, plus all of the perks of being on the football team. "Trying your best" doesn't cut it when all of that is put into it.
do people boo you at your job
Take a visit to a meeting between GM and Suppliers, it turns out they do infact get pissed when you don't produce results but still get paid. Novel.
If only all business were run as effectively as GM, right??
but I'm pretty sure he meant General Manager
but in response to his logic, just realize his dumbassery and know that we will not sway his opinion, however deformed and stupid it is.
You are a dick.
This is a fact.
Any chance you sit in Sec 14? I'd love the chance to punch you in the mouth for booing our team.
Calm down on the Muscle Milk cyber-Hulk. On top of that, you're assuming that I've booed at Michigan Stadium, which is false. I was responding to the "They're just kids trying to have fun" tone of the original post I responded to.
"Calm down on the Muscle Milk cyber-Hulk" made me laugh out loud.
or just a jackoff in your own right?
I am assuming you mean the free scholarship as payment? A small price for the school to pay, considering that these players are risking their health to play a game that rakes in over a hundred million dollars a year for the university and community businesses.
The kids that play, play because they are the best that we have. They live football and dream about it. They are under immense pressure to do their best...for their coach, for the fans, for the school, for the state, and for their families and if you want to boo them and add to that pressure, because they are doing their best, but not living up to your pompous expectations go right ahead. But you deserve the lashback you might get from true fans in the stands.
Yeah and Bill gates giving someone a 1 million dollar/year sallary is a small price to him as well, doesn't make that a pittance. I don't know how you got through college, but I'd say if I had a job for roughly 25 hours a week that completely paid for my college, I'd be ecstatic. For the record (again) I haven't booed at Michigan Stadium, but this isn't some enormous burdon they're taking on for nothing, a full-ride is a huge deal.
Haven't you learned by now that football at Michigan is definitely more than a 25 hour per week job?
25 hours? The NCAA says that the average college football player nationally spends 44.8 hours a week on football related jobs....now throw in classes and homework.
Win or lose these kids are doing their football "job" as you say. These kids are spending 44.8 hours a week trying to get better and doing the best that they can. Hitting the weights, studying plays, running, going to practice, eating right, and etc. You think its alright to boo that effort because these 18-22 year olds can't appease you?
For 44.8 hours a week they could simply work their way through college with a normal job. Who profits the most? The school and the local businesses.
That's clouded by study hall, but probably doesn't take a huge chunk out of it, so the number's bigger than 25. Boo because they can't appease me? Stepping out of the image of me in a Roman gladiator competition that you have, I'll change that to they can be held accountable for how they perform on the field. For the third time I'll say this, my issue isn't booing them or not, it's your utopian image of them being on the same level as little kids playing sports. They're compensated quite well, let's not venture down the Karl Marx road.
No the NCAA's report says football related activities equal out to 44.8 hours a week and academic related activities are far less. The NCAA is not counting study hall as a football related activity, but rather as an academic one.
Working 40 hours a week does not pay your way through Michigan. I know this.
Yeah and Bill gates giving someone a 1 million dollar/year sallary is a small price to him as well, doesn't make that a pittance.
If it was not a fair price for the value of the worker's production that Bill Gates is paying out...someone else like Steve Jobs would offer the worker more money realizing his gain. That is how it works in the professional field...capitalism. These kids are not in the professional world. They are college kids spending 44.8 hours a week on football, which brings in well over a 100,000,000 dollars a year to the Ann Arbor area and state in return for education, books, food, and a dorm room. In the NCAA there is no other Steve Jobs...Tennessee, Michigan, and Oklahoma (in theory) all offer the same exact thing in the amateur world of the NCAA.
God I hate this argument. I'm sure you're a nice guy and all, and I bet if we were watching a Michigan game together we'd be on the same side, but God I hate this.
First of all, I'm not sure where your numbers are coming from, but a 4-year room, board, fees, and books scholarship from Michigan is "worth" about $200k for out of state and $140k for in-state. This leads me to my first point: given that your apparent justification for the moral rightness of booing college kids is the "value" of their education, then by your logic we should boo an in-state kid only 70% as much as an out of state kid. That's idiotic.
Secondly, schoarlships are not fungible, so they don't have the same value as cash. These are not "professionals" in any usual meaning of the term because they are not paid cash or, except for books and food, in kind for their services.
Finally, in the words of our fearless leader,
I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but if you booed the team you're an asshat. You wear asses for hats. Yes, you may have the purchased the right to boo your asshat-wearing heads off, but you are also taking your frustration out on a team that's obviously trying really hard but just kind of sucks from time to time. Booing the coaches is your excuse? Don't care, the players couldn't tell, and now they probably think we're all asshats because of you. You have a "right" to boo. You also have the right to give your grandmother the finger and call her a harlot.
I agree that its just about always out of line to boo your college football team (with possible exceptions along the lines of the Miami swinging helmet fight). But is this mainly a function of their status as student athletes or because we assume they're trying their hardest? Put another way, would it be out of line to boo a pro team? What about for Kentucky basketball fans to boo their one and dones, who blur the pro-amateur distinction?
It's an interesting question, and one that probably requires more thought than can be put into a blog post (a diary on the other hand...). I probably can't give you a philosophically and logically air-tight answer, but I guess I would start with the idea that you should be cheering for (and not booing) your team not because they are providing you with an optimal return on your scarce entertainment investment, but rather because they represent the school for which you have positive emotional regard.
In this sense, I guess I do think that effort and decorum matter. Your example of the Miami Fightin' Helmet Swingers is pretty apt here. I think I would boo Michigan players if they (a) quit on the field; or (b) acted in a way that otherwise shamed the university. But it would not be because they weren't providing me with sound entertainment value, but rather because their actions were disgraceful to the institution to which I have a strong emotional attachment. I guess if people booed Michigan in the first half of the 2008 Wisconsin game (whence Brian's asshat axiom came) for that reason, then I don't really have much to say.
As for your question about pro teams, I don't have any strong attachments (any more) to any pro teams, but if I did, I guess I would feel the same way. Like, I used to live and die for the Bambi's Bombers-era Milwaukee Brewers. If I still cared, I would not boo them for getting stomped by the Reds, if I thought they were trying their best and representing the city of Milwaukee admirably. If they gambled on games and took steroids and raped women and drove drunk and whatnot, I probably wouldn't buy tickets, but if I did I'd probably boo them.
Finally, your example of the UK Fightin' One and Dones is a good test. Since so much of sports fandom is myth and symbol, if I were a UK fan I think I could probably delude myself into thinking that Wall and Cousins et al. gave a shit about honorably representing the Big Blue. If I couldn't delude myself any longer, I'd probably just stop caring.
What about opponents? I think any argument you might make along these lines would preclude you from booing opponents as well. Would we be just as guilty of asshattery in that case? Would it be on the continuum? Now, I'm not at all saying that booing your team is acceptable. Far from it, but if we are going to hop on moral high horses, should we not also avoid hypocrisy?
I don't think so. The agreement is you root for your team and against the other.
Ay! El Jeffe lo esta matando.
Get 'em, boss.
I agree with your comments on booing. I think it is inappropriate to boo for the combination of everything. Why boo an amatuer college kid for trying his best, when him playing risks his health and brings in a lot to our local economy. Yes he is representing our university and state, but so is the guy booing.
Don't care. They're 18-22 year old kids playing a game. Yes, they get rewarded with scholarships at good schools. Not the point.
Booo
Boo-urns
P.S. I like how this thread has almost nothing to do with Brady at this point.
A student who is going to the U on a scholarship for grades and "all the [unnamed] perks" of being in the Honors Program should be booed during a final exam if they aren't performing as expected? Should the professor loom over their desk? Kick them out of the exam if they can't finish every question on time?
Man, I hate when people get rewarded for things they're good at. It's definitely equivalent to paying them, because that money certainly goes in their pocket and not back to the University.
You are a moron. And not a true Michigan fan if you ever think it's ok to boo your own team. Get the hell off of our side and move down to Columbus. You and the aholes down there can have one big Michigan-booing-circle jerk for all we care.
though i hate to admit it (and maybe i have a tinge of regret about it), i have once booed at Michigan Stadium. after the first half of the oregon game - arguably the worst effort i've ever seen from a college football team - i did boo. part of it was left over frustration from the Horror, part of it was the frustration i had with Carr towards the end of his career, and a big chunk of it was the scoreboard after two quarters against Dennis Dixon. i havent booed since and it's not exactly a highlight in my Michigan fandom.
Did this 40 year old guy have a water bottle chucked at him by a dirty hippie looking guy, or was that a different asshole?
Edit: Nevermind, it was apparently the Toledo game. http://mgoblog.com/content/fort-sumter
I thought he was a really good college quarterback. Emphasis on college. I never imagined him to be a three time Super Bowl champion, hall of fame bound quarterback. Only looking back do I see the qualities that translated to the NFL, the field awareness, accuracy, sound decision making, smarts. But even then...hall of fame?? He is an amazing story.
I wanted Brady to be yanked in favor of Henson in 98. But, after seeing Henson's initial efforts, I was sure that Brady should have the job.
I never booed him but there were times during the 98 season where I wanted to kill him.
Although I have agree with you about Navarre. Poor guy took a ton of criticism the whole time he played here. But he always handled it with class.
Probably the only Michigan QB who got it worse from the fans than Navarre was Steve Smith in the early 80's. From what I heard, most of the student section literally booed him from the stands. In interviews, Bo told the story of how he took Smith aside and told him to forget about the 100,000 fans in the stands. The only person you have to impress is me.
Great story. Love your youtube videos.
Navarre was a class act all the way. Never got into trouble on or off the field, had good grades, did charity work and worked hard to improve on the field - that is all we can ask from these student athletes. Navarre was being interviewed on TV once and the lady asked him what it was like being a big man on campus and he responded with something like: I am not a big man on campus, people try to pick fights with me if I go out. How pathetic does that make our community look like? A great person that is an amateur student athlete busting his butt, he feels immense pressure to perform and people feel the need to boo him and add to that pressure...I hope those people are happy, because Navarre is a bigger person than those boo birds are.
I'm hungover, what do you want from me.
You had to state this?
Well he could have done it twice, but that would probably be overkill.
Dude you had to say this twice?
Like it or not, the most scrutinized job in america next to the president is the michigan starting Qb. Fair or unfair, ready or not, he signed up for that scrutiny. And while it may be true that 99.99% of the fans could never accomplish what he did, his first few years were absolute brutality.