Elite 11 Finals after Day 1
The Elite 11 finals are going on right now, and Greg Biggins from 247 Sports put out a list of his top performers (LINK). If you don't want to click the link, Michigan commit Cade McNamara didn't make his top 11 but was one of two "Honorable Mention" players. MSU commit Dwan Mathis (from Oak Park/Belleville) is #10.
Dwan Mathis might play well enough to end up in Columbus
Look at the recent track record for NFL Qb’s between the two schools. I’d go to state.
Winning.
I read that in Charlie Sheen voice
I’d like my qb recruit to think he could turn any program around and win.
O haven't been following the 2019 MSU recruiting class very closely, but they seem to either be in the mix and often even favored in a number of top guys we are going after. This seems out of the norm for MSU. I wonder why so many guys are favoring them now. Hopefully after a strong season and a win against them that will shift some perception around the difference between MSU and UM.
Dan Toni is a smug SOB but he has done things at staee... including tapping our ass lately.
I would hardly call what MSU has done to us since Harbaugh got here ass tapping. Winning on a miracle and beating us by 4 with our third string QB doesn’t scream ass tapping to me.
Wins are wins. We need more of them.
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I know you are sort of joking, but this is the loser mentality that losing leads to. We should be 'neversatisfied' with less than winnning. Because the alternative is losing, and ultimatley being losers.
.....which is:
Losing football games in college is not the way to determine an ultimate winner or loser, especially if those said players go on to be doctors and successful businessmen and productive members of society and shit.
I'm sure there are plenty of College Football (mythical) National Champions who are rotting in prison today......you must be soooo proud of those "winners".
Of course, maybe you still have Aaron Hernandez poster on your wall, who knows?
I'm honestly shocked there is still a Hernandez fan, admire the dedication.
"Just win baby". In the games, in the classroom, in life.
Of course, as Yogi said:
"2 outta 3 ain't bad".
And when one outta the three jeopardizes the other two, you know which one I boot.
that Dan Antonio outcoached Harbaugh in all three games thus far.
Theres also a better argument that he didnt.
You can easily make that argument?
You mean with labored stretches of reality?
MSU was out played, out coached, and out scored
I'm not sure about that, but certainly there was some problems offensively, but that seems mostly in large part to the o-line & QB and how that limited the play calling. But, there shouldn't be any concerns about the defense. And, I would think that HS kids could see the larger picture of recruiting success over the course of Harbaugh's tenure vs MD's and see that UM would have the long term advantage once they get over the hump of this o-line/QB issue. Maybe that's wishful thinking.
Here's to hoping a good year offensively and the change of Drevno to Warriner & the addition of Patterson coupled with a win over MSU (and some other qualitys teams like Wiscy, PSU, ND, & OSU) can change some of that perception. There is still plenty of time to shift the perception with a good season for the 2019 class of guys we are both after.
Our last 3 head coaches, I know Harbaugh could easily be 3-0, have a losing record vs staee. When that changes and we get some Ws vs osu, our recruiting will be top 5 -10 every year.
agree.
Not being critical, but aren’t there only 11 qbs, hence elite 11? So, how do you not make the top 11?
Well, Trent Dilfer ranks himself in there, which bumps everyone else down a notch.
But for real, I think there are 24 quarterbacks invited to the competition.
Thanks
12-24 quarterbacks attend
No, there are around 20 QBs invites, depending on the year. The top 11 performers in the finals are named the Elite 11, with one of those 11 being named the MVP.
Rattler at #1 isn't a surprise, as he's the #1 pro style QB in the class. But for that, his offer sheet isn't as impressive as you'd suppose the #1 QB's would be.
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Spencer-Rattler-90452/RecruitInterests
Isn't Cade McNamara's offer sheet just as good, maybe a tad better?
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Cade-McNamara-96640/RecruitInterests
Rattlers offer list is loaded, what are ya saying?
Oklahoma
Alabama
Miami
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Texas
Texas A&M
Tenn
I said it wasn't loaded?
You just said his offer list wasn’t as impressive as his ranking would indicate. I guess he’s missing OSU, Georgia, Michigan, Clemson offers.
Cade MacNamara is the #10 pro stle QB, and the #258 player.
Spencer Rattler is the #1 pro style QB, and the #42 player.
Shouldn't there be a noticeable differene in their offer sheet?
Here's the offer sheet for Davis Mills, 2017 #1 QB recruit. Do you see a difference between his offer sheet and Spencer Rattlers offer sheet?
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Davis-Mills-59046/RecruitInterests
Rattler committed to Oklahoma very early, like right after his sophmore year. Not a whole lot of time to recruit the kid.
Great players are still offered and pursued after they committ. Teams are still pursuing Cade McNamara.
even remotely correlate with the rate of success of these QBs in college?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_11
Here's a list of Elite 11 participants and MVPs. Winning MVP at Elite 11 isn't a good indicator of college success
The elite 11 mvp usually ends up being pretty decent. Jameis Winston, Shea Patterson, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Murray, Tua, Tanner Mangum, Mark Sanchez, etc. the others are all hit or miss. If you have 24 kids a year they can’t all be stars or even starters.
But he’s asking about the Elite 11 ranking. They only rank the top 11. You certainly should expect what are supposedly the top 11 QBs in the country to be quality starters at some point in their college careers.
Since the Elite 11 started in 1999, I looked at all the MVPs and from a quick rundown, I'd say less than 50% of MVPs have what I would consider a solid college career. Being MVP doesn't really mean a whole lot
........or the rival's guy from the state of Mi. that will never play for UofM.
I predict a close race.
Is it televised this year?