Shea Patterson Ranked the #15 QB by Athlon
Out of 130 starting NCAA QBs, Athlon has ranked Shea Patterson at #15. This will come as good news to those of you suffering from Shea Patterson Hype Fatigue (SPHF).
Big 10 QBs on the list:
3) Trace McSorely, Penn St
12) Brian Lewerke, Mich St
15) Shea Patterson
25) Alex Hornibrook, Wisconsin
27) Nate Stanley, Iowa
28) Dwayne Haskins, Ohio St
37) Clayton Thorson, Northwestern
44) David Blough, Purdue
52) Kasim Hill, Maryland
68) Adrian Martinez, Nebraska
73) Brandon Dawkins, Indiana
93) Tanner Morgan, Minnesota
110) Artur Sitkowski, Rutgers
116) Cam Thomas, Illinois
Link: https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-football-starting-quarterback-rankings-2018
Personally, I'm not tired of the hype. I think Shea Patterson together with Jim Harbaugh is a match made in heaven. Having Ed Warinner and Jim McElwain now doesn't hurt either. I'm expecting more than 10 wins this year.
P.S., Brandon Wimbush of Notre Dame is at #43. I'm expecting him to have a very difficult time with Michigan's defense.
I mean, come on man, Lewerke is far more proven, especially given he's playing for the same team this year. Not only is he more proven, he had some damn good numbers last year.
Other than hurr hurr lil bro so bad, it's hard to make a convincing argument Shea should be ranked ahead of him. What Shea is, is the Charlie Kelly of QBs this year, WILDCARD BITCHES.
Why don't you tell us what you really think.
http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/brian_lewerke_977404.html
It's like you guys have never watched football before?
Not reading that wall of text. MSU's offense was ranked almost as bad as ours, the reason they won games is because of a top 5 defense.
Can you handle this:
246-of-417 passes (.590) for 2,793 yards, 20 touchdowns and seven interceptions, while rushing for 559 yards on 124 carries (4.5 ypc) . . . had 3,352 yards of total offense, which set a Spartan sophomore single-season record, and was No. 2 on MSU's single-season total offense list . . . became the first quarterback in school history to throw for more than 2,500 yards (2,793) and rush for more than 500 yards (559) in the same season
Please tell me how the success of the team (10-3) that everyone predicted to miss a bowl game had nothing to do with the new record breaking QB. Good lord, Michigan fans: Please have some sense of reality.
I negged you even though your right because youre still just a sparty ball licker. And MSU's defense was average at best last year, the offense carried them.
2017 Game Log | Passing | Rushing | QBR | ||||||||||||||
DATE | OPP | RESULT | CMP | ATT | YDS | CMP% | LNG | TD | INT | RAT | ATT | YDS | AVG | LNG | TD | RAW QBR | ADJ QBR |
9/2 | Bowling Green | W 35-10 | 22 | 33 | 250 | 66.7 | 40 | 3 | 0 | 160.3 | 8 | 69 | 8.6 | 22 | 0 | 86.8 | 64.7 |
9/9 | Western Michigan | W 28-14 | 13 | 21 | 161 | 61.9 | 25 | 1 | 1 | 132.5 | 9 | 81 | 9.0 | 61 | 2 | 83.9 | 78.2 |
9/23 | Notre Dame | L 38-18 | 31 | 51 | 340 | 60.8 | 25 | 2 | 1 | 125.8 | 9 | 56 | 6.2 | 52 | 0 | 61.4 | 78.5 |
9/30 | Iowa | W 17-10 | 18 | 28 | 212 | 64.3 | 31 | 2 | 0 | 151.5 | 12 | 42 | 3.5 | 15 | 0 | 78.8 | 88.2 |
10/7 | @Michigan | W 14-10 | 11 | 22 | 94 | 50.0 | 30 | 1 | 0 | 100.9 | 15 | 61 | 4.1 | 14 | 1 | 28.1 | 54.9 |
10/14 | @Minnesota | W 30-27 | 9 | 18 | 120 | 50.0 | 26 | 0 | 1 | 94.9 | 4 | 9 | 2.3 | 5 | 0 | 45.1 | 49.8 |
10/21 | Indiana | W 17-9 | 16 | 29 | 185 | 55.2 | 34 | 1 | 0 | 120.1 | 9 | -5 | -0.6 | 8 | 0 | 28.7 | 44.0 |
10/28 | @Northwestern | L 39-31 (3OT) | 39 | 57 | 445 | 68.4 | 60 | 4 | 1 | 153.6 | 9 | 30 | 3.3 | 19 | 0 | 88.9 | 91.9 |
11/4 | Penn State | W 27-24 | 33 | 56 | 400 | 58.9 | 36 | 2 | 1 | 127.1 | 7 | 25 | 3.6 | 15 | 0 | 71.6 | 81.1 |
11/11 | @Ohio State | L 48-3 | 18 | 36 | 131 | 50.0 | 19 | 0 | 2 | 69.5 | 10 | 2 | 0.2 | 16 | 0 | 16.7 | 38.8 |
11/18 | Maryland | W 17-7 | 2 | 14 | 20 | 14.3 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 26.3 | 5 | 63 | 12.6 | 25 | 1 | 74.4 | 63.3 |
11/25 | @Rutgers | W 40-7 | 21 | 31 | 222 | 67.7 | 24 | 1 | 0 | 138.5 | 12 | 53 | 4.4 | 16 | 1 | 78.6 | 80.5 |
SAN DIEGO COUNTY CREDIT UNION HOLIDAY BOWL | |||||||||||||||||
12/28 | Washington State | W 42-17 | 13 | 21 | 213 | 61.9 | 49 | 3 | 0 | 194.2 | 14 | 73 | 5.2 | 19 | 0 | 94.3 | 97.1 |
If you think Brian Lewerke is good, you're being a salty little bitch. Look at those stats against Maryland. I know the Minnesota game the weather wasn't great but come on. He was terrible against OSU. His only impressive games have him throwing 40+ times.
He is not the #12 OVERALL QB in college football. GTFO.
He may not be #12 overall, but I haven't really seen any statements so far that warrant your argument. Nobody said he was going to win the Heisman or be an All-American. He did have fairly impressive overall stats as a sophomore, which were comparable to Wilton Speight's numbers as a redshirt sophomore in 2016...except with much better rushing production.
I'm excited about Shea Patterson, but he hasn't proven to be a big-time college QB yet. His numbers are just so-so (23 TD, 12 INT) and he threw 2 TD and 3 INT vs. a 5-7 Cal team last year, too.
Brian Lewerke isn't that good. He is an average QB that can manage a game and make some plays with his legs but if there was a game where QB play was going to be the deciding factor, I wouldn't feel great about having him.
6 games last year he had less than 200 yards, two games he had less than 100 yards. Come on. That's horrible. I'm hoping and praying for good weather for the MSU game this year and then we will see what kind of QB Brian Lewerke is.
Okay, but he also had two games with 400+ yards, and those came against decent teams in Penn State and Northwestern. That's really good. By comparison, Michigan QBs only have one 400+ yard game in the last four seasons, and that was Jake Rudock in 2015 against Indiana.
Good games and bad games...that sounds about right for a sophomore starter, especially considering MSU's skill guys were total mysteries coming into last season. MSU's top two receivers had 15 catches and 1 TD in 2016...and they jumped to 105 catches and 11 TD, and their #3 guy (Cody White) and #4 guy (Hunter Rison) were freshmen.
Context matters.
He had those 400+ yard games on 56 and 57 attempts. I will give you that he didn't have the best WR corps, that is fair but I'm not sold that Brian Lewerke is a top 3 QB in the Big Ten and certainly not a top 12 QB in all of college football.
Let's ask this, would you rather have Brian Lewerke or Brandon Peters?
Right...and on his sub-100 yard games, he had 14 and 22 attempts. More attempts generally mean more yards.
He completed 59% of his passes against a good team in Penn State, and he was well above that against Northwestern.
Again...good games are good, bad games are bad.
overrated
I am not sure what QBs you think are better. Lewerke has clear accuracy issues (though he is better than the guy who played in the Rose Bowl) but he is like a true Junior. Considering that Peters looked kind of frail and afraid of contact, I would probably take Lewerke given his legs and experience.
Along that same line, it's hard to quibble too much without having an idea of where someone would re-rank him. If we're talking about dropping the #12 guy (out of 130) down to #14, then who cares? If we're arguing whether he should be #12 or #62, then that's significant.
Lewerke wasn't a junior last season, he was a redshirt sophomore. MSU has him for 2 more seasons. For a young QB in his first full year he had some ups and downs. His numbers were outstanding though considering he played in a few really bad weather games, could have easily thrown for 500 more yards if the weather was good for all his games.
If he takes a leap this year he will be on NFL Draft boards, he's got a lot of ability, and a live arm, can really throw on the run. Some slight mechnical issues will improve his accuracy. Listed at 6-3, but I think he's barely 6-2.
He's a good QB who could break out in 2018 with all of his top weapons returning and a more experienced O line. He's proven more than Patterson honestly.
Based on their college play, I would probably prefer Lewerke. I've liked Lewerke for a long time, though. This is what I said about Lewerke during his recruitment:
"Listed as a pro-style quarterback, he can run a little bit and is difficult to take down on the move; he won't run away from many people, but he should be able to move the chains if you forget about him. When he scrambles, he keeps his eyes downfield looking for receivers and can throw on the move. Lewerke has a quick release and can deliver the ball on a line, in tight spaces, or with touch over the top. I was not extremely impressed with his sophomore film, but I think he took a big step forward as a junior."
Again, I'm not saying Lewerke is a Heisman contender. But he's done pretty well at MSU, and there are some limitations within that offense and with that personnel.
have some Heisman aspirations. Think there's a better chance he could lose job to the backup a few games than him being a QB ranked in THE 10% OF ALL QB'S IN THE COUNTRY!!! That's a little ridiculous IMO
Uhh...Lewerke. It's not even close.
Shea and Lwerke though it's a different story.
Lewerke based on their body of work so far.
Had average QB numbers we would have had only 1 loss against PSU. I hope Petterson can be above average and if he is, we could win the B1G this year given our excellent defense.
He was #15 in the country last year in Total QBR at 77.7
Average Total QBR last year was about 57.
Shea Patterson was 58.8.
O'Korn was 39.5
Peters was 35.4
Speight was 22.9
He isn't great - but he is well above average.
BEFORE the bowl game.
...and that should tell you just how pointless the standard QB rating is at evaluating low volume players.
Peters per game numbers before bowl game:
7.4 completions
12.8 attempts
57.8% completion ratio
97.2 passing yards
0.8 TD
0 INT
2.4 rushing attempts
-5 yards rushing
0 rushing TD
Lewerke per game numbers:
18.9 completions
32.1 attempts
59% completion ratio
214.8 passing yards
1.5 TD
0.5 INT
9.5 rushing attempts
43 yards rushing
0.4 rushing TD
Lewerke is giving you 166 more yards and 1.1 more TD per game in exchange for 0.5 INT per game. I'll take that trade anytime.
that, even though Brandon Peters was cleared to play in the Bowl Game, the concussion was still affecting him somehow, if for nothing more, in his cofidence.
Just gonna throw this out there. Patterson had a better completion percentage than Lewerke last year. He had higher rating, threw the same number of TD's and was within 300 yards despite playing 5 less games than Lewerke in the regular season.
20 yards against the Terps?? Wouldn't have guessed that...
Hate MSU. But those are some amazing stats. Lewerke is really good. WIthout him last year, they win 3 games again.
He is unfortunately really good, and pretty much the only reason they are ranked this year.
Unpopular opinion, but I think MSU would have won 7 games in 2016 if Lewerke would have played. Dantonio was incredibly stupid to keep trotting O'connor out there. You could see the difference that Lewerke made in short time against Michigan until he got hurt.
their defense was top 5-ish in the country. The defense won a lot of close games in spite of him.
The same thing happened once rain hit when we played Sparty. It was just futile to pass
"His (Lewerke's) only impressive games are the ones where he threw the ball a ton."
I'm having trouble determining if you meant this as an insult or compliment. If it's the former, how is that a knock on him?
They ranked 4th in defensive S&P. They ranked 92nd in offensive S&P (worse than us at 85). So yeah, tell me how their great QB couldn't even lead them to a better offensive performance than us.
less than what Wilton Speight was his first full year as a starter. Lewerke is most overrated QB in the country right now if he's #12.
break down how you want but his numbers were below average when compared to other good QB's on that list
Total QBR for top 20 of that list
1)Will Grier - 75.8 (#19)
2)Tua Tagovailoa - 86.5 (NR)
3)Trace McSorley - 81.5 (#9)
4)Khalil Tate - 92 (#2)
5)McKenzie Milton - 84.1 (#5)
6)Drew Lock - 74.4 (#20)
7)Jake Browning - 71.9 (#28)
8)Justin Herbert - 80.1 (#12)
9)Jarrett Stidham - 67.2 (#39)
10)Nick Fitzgerald - 78.5 (#14)
11)Jake Fromm - 84.1 (#6)
12)Brian Lewerke - 77.7 (#15)
13)Ryan Finley - 80.4 (#11)
14)Jake Bentley - 65.1 (#45)
15)Shea Patterson - 58.7 (#60)
16)Mason Fine - 56.8 (#65)
17)Brett Rypien - 69.7 (#32)
18)Brent Stockstill - 45.6 (#91)
19)Josh Jackson - 60.3 (#57)
20)Kelly Bryant - 77.6 (#17)
numbers are better than anything we had last year. However, Lewerke is not even in the top 50 for completion percentage last year.
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/755
good against Michigan, and was worse vs Ohio St.
That does affect the way I think of him.
I didn't see that game. I just looked up his stats. 2 of 14 for 20 yards. DJ Durkin must have had his number.
I hate msu as much as anyone but Lewerke can play. He is a gamer and I think properly rated in this Athlon list. That gamer quality is a huge plus in college football (see McSorely). We have missed the heck out that of around here for quite some time.
I cannot even believe that's possible.
Yes it does. You don't want him there because he is the QB at MSU. But look around the country - there are not that many great QB's that should move ahead of him. Hell, look at the "almighty" SEC last year - they were sub-par at the QB position.
This list is also not solely based on historical performance. It is based on where they think the QB's rank today. As a RS Jr (I think) this year, he will most likely improve on what he has already done. I was at the monsoon game last year. He played really well early in that game to get his team two 1st half TD's, and then took care of the football the rest of the way. As I watched him I became frustrated as I knew he just wasn't going to do anything stupid.
And for those of you who think he isn't very good, if you're all honest with yourselves, you will all be happy if he is not under center when we play them this Fall.
Lewerke isn't shit. Michigan's d-line will rattle him until he cries for mommy this go around.
The point is when the re-rank at the end of the year you wont find Lewerke in the top 20.