Post-graduation Support of Athletes

Submitted by mgoblueben on
So as we watch Mo Hurst fall incredulously out the first 2 rounds and potentially going undrafted (I dk, some people say this is a thing) I just find myself wanting to give this dude some financial support. He was the epitome of a Michigan man and after watching All or Nothing, I just feel bad. Guys like Denard and Jake Butt didn't get what they deserved after working their asses off for this university. Just feels like we should fire the money cannon or something. Even $20 from every fan that watched one game would set these dudes up for a while. Fingers crossed he gets drafted and shows out and gets that big ass contract. #justpaytheplayers. Sorry if this is inappropriate, it's Friday night and well the sweet nectar has me extra vulnerable. Where's John Harbaugh looking for those Wolverines like he said?
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Wolverine Devotee

April 27th, 2018 at 10:15 PM ^

#justpaytheplayers is said by short sighted people who don't realize/care that there are more than just Football and Men's Basketball at the university. 

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Wolverine Devotee

April 27th, 2018 at 10:23 PM ^

You people can't get it through your heads that you can't just pay football and men's basketball players.

You pay one team, you will have to pay them all or it's lawsuit time. Either that or schools will just cut sports they can't afford to pay the athletes of. 

Also, I don't go to GVSU so your arrogant and misinformed potshot was pointless.

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Vote_Crisler_1937

April 27th, 2018 at 10:38 PM ^

I say pay the football and basketball players. You don’t have to pay anyone else. Billions of dollars are generated every year from those sports. The players deserve it. When my sport generates $1b for the Big Ten then my successors can get paid too but it’s doubtful that even with inflation it ever will.

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greatlakestate

April 28th, 2018 at 12:01 PM ^

If the NBA and NFL would allow talented players to be drafted right out of high school that would solve part of the problem. If they weren’t good enough to plsy right away, then off to college with them but follow the rules! I also have no problem with the student athlete profiting off their image either.

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Blue in Paradise

April 28th, 2018 at 3:06 AM ^

Stop prohibiting college athletes from profiting from their own name and likeness. They are literally the only Americans who can't sell their own image rights. That will correct this enormous wrong, not “cost” universities a dime and turn Michigan into a perennial top 3 team in football, basketball and hockey.

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grumbler

April 28th, 2018 at 8:48 AM ^

Some posters here are so backwards they think the NCAA ruled that kicker ineligable because he "did tricks with his legs," when, in fact, the NCAA had nothing to do with it.  UCF told him that what he was doing was fine so long as he didn't use his association with UCF in hs videos if the videos were monetized.  He chose the videos over his scholarship.  His life, his choice.

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wildbackdunesman

April 28th, 2018 at 10:13 AM ^

If you think I am wrong you can do so without personally attacking me.

You claim "the NCAA had nothing to do with it."

Well the NCAA has a rule against this sort of thing...the NCAA notified UCF about the possible violation, the NCAA was sent a waiver request by UCF and the NCAA countered with their own compromise, which the kicker rejected.  So UCF fearing vacated wins, ruled him ineligble for the time being...due to the NCAA rules.

So yes, technically UCF ruled him ineligible...because of the NCAA...how can you claim the NCAA had nothing to do with it?

So please, tell me how "the NCAA had nothing to do with it" or how these media sources are wrong - in particular the two USA Today sources, which go into better detail of what transpired.  Please do so without personally attacking me.

USA Today...And Again

Washington Post.

Sporting News.

Fox Business.

 

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TESOE

April 29th, 2018 at 11:49 AM ^

WD... you need to call a friend/professional who doesn't agree with you... and talk it out.

There is no US/Them on this blog...in this world... except in your head.

There are all sorts of schemes to pay players, change the game and change the world.  

Reason doesn't rule the day when posited unreasonably.  Us-Them memes are dangerous and unhealthy (unless they come wrapped in collegiality- which is what college is all about.)

Just saying... 

 

 

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mgolf4

April 27th, 2018 at 10:36 PM ^

Co-signed by a non-revenue athlete. Legally it will get complicated to only pay football players but they should at least let them profit off their likeness to start. Autographs, commercials, etc. If they let all student-athletes profit of their own likeness and the market will take care of itself as far as who gets paid and who doesn't.

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wildbackdunesman

April 28th, 2018 at 10:18 AM ^

I agree with at the very least allowing them to profit off of their own image.  However, it seems like you could pay the players that generate a profit.

The university employs tons of students from someone washing dishes for the cafeteria to a grad student helping teach a freshman class.  They are not all compensated equally, because they add different value.

All varsity sports have some scholarships to compensate players with, why can't the sports that add more economic value to the university simply compensate them more?

You could make it simple: X% of the profit that your team generates gets put into a pot and distributed to the players on the team. 

So..."Women's Rowing" you didn't generate a profit, but you still get compensated with scholarships, because we appreciate you.  Meanwhile, "Football" you added a lot of value to the university by generating a profit so you will get scholarships and a share of the profit.  I don't see why that would be illegal, but I am not an expert.

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maquih

April 28th, 2018 at 10:51 AM ^

Not to mention b-school and law school students who are freely and unquestionably allowed to get summer jobs making thousands of dollars a week at the biggest banks and firms in the country, and many of them are getting full tuition scholarships too. But God forbid a football player work at youth sports camp and all of a sudden he's never allowed to play football again and the team is losing scholarships.

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wildbackdunesman

April 28th, 2018 at 11:24 AM ^

That is a good point.  I know engineering majors that made a lot of nice college money during summer breaks on engineering internships.  It is hypocritical to not allow football players to get compensation for helping run a football camp over the summer.

If a HS player wants to pay an elite college player money for some "tutoring" on how to throw a ball, or catch a ball, block, etc...why does the NCAA need to step in and ban it?  How is this bad?  I know music majors that make money tutoring HS music kids over the summer for money.

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Section 1.8

April 28th, 2018 at 12:26 PM ^

Virtually every one of the bylaws concerning amateurism is there for a reason. The reason being that outrageously competition-altering abuses would occur without those rules. So sportswriters and blogging smart-alecks all laugh about rules relating to bagels with cream cheese spreads. When in fact what the schools who make up the NCAA are trying to do, is to draw a line between a kind of an ordinary business-meeting snack tray and a lobster dinner for all 150 members of a recruit’s posse. The last “A” in NCAA is for Association. Michigan rightly chooses to associate. The bylaws and the organization are all agreed on, by the association member-institutions.

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WBALLZ

April 28th, 2018 at 9:42 AM ^

Would DEFINITELY not have a negative impact on college sports. Profit off your likeness and move on.

Also, WTF we should give a football player money because he’s probably only going to be a 4th round pick? I like Mo as much as the rest of you but come on if you need to relieve yourself of some money it’s not hard to find a worthy cause that accepts credit cards online.

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Farnn

April 27th, 2018 at 10:44 PM ^

I've wondered before if there are NCAA rules against paying players after their eligibility is expired.  Could Michigan just decide to give all graduating football players $25,000 per year on the team?  Could they say anything about it during recruiting or would they just have to claim they spontaneously decided to give a bunch of dudes who used to play on the football team 1 time cash payments after they graduated?

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TruBluMich

April 27th, 2018 at 11:27 PM ^

Paying them for playing is a violation.  Paying them to show up to a restaurant to say HI and sign an autograph, after they graduate, is not a violation. So the way I understand it, as long as you don't pay them for what they did in school, attach any requirements that relate to them playing or how long they played. Then Michigan should be okay if they are paid after graduation. As long as the school has nothing to do with it.

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USA2018

April 28th, 2018 at 12:56 AM ^

I was going to comment about how dumb this sounds but a coworker and I were talking about starting a GoFundMe page for the Cubs to sign Bryce Harper next off-season...so nevermind. It speaks to the joy sports brings us when we want our on field heros to be as comfortable off the field as possible

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Section 1.8

April 28th, 2018 at 12:45 PM ^

Who pays for that money cannon? The Michigan Athletic Department has revenue. It does not have profits. I’m no fan of the amendments to Title IX. I hate them, in fact. But you are talking about a lot of money, and a bunch of changes to college football that would make it less like what we have known as college football. Do you want me to pay more, for my PSD and my season tickets? Because I won’t. Do you want Coach Harbaugh’s salary reduced? Do you want to cut plane rides for softball? Let me know, where you propose to get the money, for your “money cannon.” I want to make college football a lot less like the NFL. Not more like it.

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Section 1.8

April 28th, 2018 at 1:27 PM ^

Usually, when we are talking about a need to pay a group of people, or pay them more, or otherwise increase their benefits, it is because we cannot attract the requisite talent, or enough of them. That isn’t happening in college football. One after another, the very best high school athletes all say that they are “blessed” to have gotten a scholarship offer to this or that university. Where is the supposed exploitation?

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Blue in Paradise

April 29th, 2018 at 12:24 PM ^

First of all, most of the players who have plus value are being paid under the table. That is the whole point here, there is a market value but it is being met in the black market vs the approved channels. If you don’t understand this issue or believe this is happening - then I am not sure what to say to you. Second of all, there is no other viable path to the NFL. These players are forced into this system in order to fulfill their goals of playing football professionally. If there was a minor league ala baseball or a junior league ala hockey, then fine - set up the system however you want. Now for the thousands of kids playing FCS, Division 2 and 3, 99.99% of which have no prayer of playing in the NFL and don’t have any plus value economically, then you are correct. There is a fair value proposition currently in place. But let’s be honest, nobody is referring to these kids in this debate.

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Blue in Paradise

April 29th, 2018 at 12:30 PM ^

“F&ck the scholarship, send me all of your bagmen?” You should really feel bad about yourself after that post. I posted once a long time ago about Aubrey Solomon probably taking money from the Bama bagmen and I still feel a little bad about myself. I am now one of his biggest fans.

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