ken holland did great things in the past but i feel the game has passed him by and he needs to step down. can't keep banking on past success.
I mean what happened in Detroit is what’s happening in Chicago.
They signed their core of the glory days to long term deals and now those players are old and not as effective anymore. And Datsyuk leaving didn’t help either.
I’d wait to see what he can do when he gets some extra cap space to work with. Unfortunately Zett still has 4 years left and Nielsen has 5.
the wings tend to keep the old guys around a little too long and pay the price when they just can't compete with 20-somethings who are killing it. not everyone can be as effective in the downswing of their career as lidstrom.
How can you not keep the old guys when you sign them to 7 year deals. They are probably still paying Frazen as we speak. He's on a sled in Alaska right now with Uwe Krupp.
So while he’s still getting paid, he doesn’t count against our cap.
The Blackhawks have had a shit ton of success in this decade. I'd be fine with 3-5 years of turnover knowing we've won a zillion Cups and had a lot of good times.
The Wings have been lifeless for awhile.
Interesting math. You must be young as I was going to hawks games at the UC less than 15 years ago that had MAYBE 6-7500 people there and that was the norm. The hawks and the lions of the late 90’s early 00’s had more than a few parallels.
That's just insane. So zetterberg is signed until he retires from the Swedish league at age 50? Fricken dumbass holland. They should've traded him this year at the deadline and committed to the full rebuild
At least in Chicago it was the core of a glory days team. Holland spent the last few years signing role players like Helm, Abdelkader, and DeKeyser to massive deals for the rest of eternity.
Look at Scotty Bowman, in his 80's still a senior advisor for the Black Hawks, game has certainly not passed him by, must be his love of the sport. Was also just watching something on Federer, another guy who could have retired long ago but his passion keeps him reaching for new goals.
"Roger shoots...HE SCOOOOORES!!!!"
Checks where the hawks are in the standings
Who is Ken Holland?
3 star DE recruit out of Canada
middling 2*
Such words have never driven a man insane quite like they do when Maizen hears them.
He may be a 2 star, but in RichRod's system, he is an 11 star! Just wait!!!
exactly.
What a joke.
Can we officailly start calling them the "Dead Things" again now?
To be fair his last few years drafting hasnt been that bad. This rebuild was going to eventually come we were able to stay competive for 25 years not many teams go through this long of a stretch without rebuilding. He did this all while drafting in the bottom half of the draft year in and year out. His real fault was handing out a couple of ridiculous contracts to older guys. He can also nail this rebuild by getting a little lucky and jumping in the top 3 in this years draft and having 10 picks this year will surely help. I thinj he deserves to see this rebuild through.
His drafting has almost always been fine. But he doesn’t know how to effectively manage a salary cap. He’s given huge contracts to guys like Abdelkader, Dekeyser and Helm. I’ve got nothing against those players. But their deals are insane considering their production. They are crippling our flexibility. With deals like that, Holland all but guaranteed a lengthier rebuild.
“But he doesn’t know how to effectively manage a salary cap.”
The most obvious thing ever said on the internet and anyone who negged that is a total ostrich. The cap management is a complete and total abomination.
They haven’t drafted an impact defenseman since Nick Kromwall - and that was 18 years ago.
This does not please me. They are saddled with bad deals he made. Yes he had previous success, that is not a recipe for future success. Hopefully Hughes falls into his lap if he can’t draft Dahlin. The defense has sucked since Lidstrom left. Not average, not slightly below average, sucked as in, the drizzling shits. Ugh, I could rant for hours.
Is what it is, hope he fixes things but I’m not confident....
Are some of the most backwards-thinking organizations.
Red Wings are extending a GM that hasn't steered the team to a series win in what, a decade? And consistently overpaying and oversigning guys that clearly don't deserve it.
Pistons are stuck on the wheel of medicority because they just don't have the foresight to actually go through the normal channels of rebuilding in the NBA. Instead, they are sastified with finishing 8th-11th and landing picks between 12-15.
Lions are the Lions.
The Tigers are really the only team that are doing this rebuilding the right way.
them at least interesting.
The Tigers are heading for another 20 year drought.They are in the worst shape of all.
MLB rebuilds can be as short as 3-5 years. E.g. Cubs, Astros and possibly the Phillies. But the commitment from mgmt has to be there to trade anyone/everyone to get high draft picks - and draft the right guys - and avoid long-term contracts until the time is right.
what does the tiger farm system look like? are there any good prospects? dodgers have been really developing their farm system for the last ten years and have brought up some great talent.
and they have the #1 pick in this year's draft, although in typical Tigers fashion, there doesn't seem to be a consensus best player available this year
Bring Back Yzerman
would yzerman leave tampa? he's got a good gig down there.
He's a Detroit sports legend plus the wangs are an iconic franchise. I think that's a good reason to come back
Reasons to stay in Tampa are Stamkos and Kucherov tho
only some wangs are iconic
#LetsGoWangs
Maybe it was buried with him?
Only if they can also bring Jeff Vinik’s wallet along, too...
The last impact defenseman he drafted was Kronwall in the 2000 draft.
You cant go 20 years between drafting impact defenseman and expect to field a competitive club.
We all know what Ken Holland brings to the table. I think a lot of his bad decisions have been influenced, at least in part, by ownership. Chris Illitch is ok with .500 hockey, "I like my team", sneaking into the playoffs where you never know what can happen" and overall mediocrity. All of the empty seats in the brand new pizzarena should be an indication of how the fans feel about the direction of the Wings.
I hope I'm wrong but this is really depressing.
Not quite on topic, but, does anyone know why the Preds played The Victors over speakers when receiving the Presidents Cup? Do they use as a team song? Or, are they just celebrating their Victor(y)?
Kenny Holland is one of the best GMs in the history of sport. A few down years after an epic playoff run lasting decades!
Go back to your basements!
Joe Dumars was once a really good GM as well.
Maybe we should bring him back too.
Ken Holland is Russ Thomas.
Doesn’t have a basement, so suck it, bro