OT - former MSU players plead to "Seduction of an Unmarried Woman"
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/04/04/former…
Josh King, Donnie Corley and Demetric Vance on Wednesday each pleaded guilty to a charge of seducing an unmarried woman. King also pleaded to a surveilling charge and admitted he shared videos of the alleged victim on Snapchat.
Amazing, considering that all three of them were facing up to life in prison. Pleading down to a crime that sounds like something people forgot to remove from the books in the 1920s suggests the way-too-cozy relationship between the MSU athletic department and the Ingham County court system is continuing, but if you listen to the victim's lawyer, it's actually worse than that:
Karen Truszkowski, a Lansing-based attorney for the victim, said her client was not interested in speaking publicly about the situation because she wants her identity to remain private. “Part of the reason she doesn’t want to go public at this point is what has happened to the women in the Nassar case,” said Truszkowski, referring to the more than 200 victims in the Larry Nassar sex abuse scandal. “They have been crucified. Not by the media but by members of the Board (of Trustees), etc., and she is not willing to deal with that now,” the lawyer said. “They have been awful to those women … the comments that some of board members have made and the way MSU has treated them.”
"Welcome to MSU! Our leadership is committed to victimizing our students and then slandering them so shamefully that they're better of staying silent afterwards. But it's okay, so long as Dantionio keeps beating Michigan."
Is that similiar to littering?
Underappreciated
Maybe they used Bridges's $40 donation?
I'm missing something here. Is there a similar charge for seducing MARRIED women, or is that AOK?
2 hours in the iron maiden, tarred and feathered, banished to Ohio.
Oh my God ...
Not to OHIO!
If you put yourself in the mindset of the time period I imagine this law was written, if she had been married they probably would have hauled her off for adultery.
Seriously I did a little more reading. Best as I can tell this law is Section 750.532 of Act 328 of 1931 of the Michigan Penal code. It's tucked in there between "it's a felony to injure someone during an attempted bank robbery" and "it's a misdemeanor to operate a slaughterhouse within 20 rods of a highway".
Yes, rods.
Here is the whole statue:
"Punishment—Any man who shall seduce and debauch any unmarried woman shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 5 years or by fine of not more than 2,500 dollars; but no prosecution shall be commenced under this section after 1 year from the time of committing the offense."
They could be sentenced to recieve a 5 dollar fine and no jail term (with time served). That seems insane, considered how out of touch the above is with what happened.
adjusted for inflation?
Just imagine what the penalty might be if you were to seduce an unmarried woman inside a slaughterhouse that was operating within 20 rods of a highway! The penal possibilities would be endless.
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Pun intended.
We got rules for that too amigo. I refer you to Paragraph 7... 
the penalty is a lot more serious if the crime occurred at the sheep research laboratory. Because then that would be University property.
What ewe did there.
You're confusing "flirting" with "seduction." The former is often poorly planned, clumsy and awkward. The latter involves mood lighting, Barry White, cheetah-print blankets, and a fireplace...
Ala' Glenn Quagmire. "Giggity."
Throw in some boxed wine and you sir, might get arrested for seducing a married man.
Operative term is "seduce and debauch." It may be a term of art. "Debauch" also has a narrow meaning, that can basically mean to sully.
I believe this is a 5 year felony but that sounds impossible - MCL 750.532.
This is not my area of expertise, and this is just my opinion as a citizen and not a professional, but i think the crime here is harm to reputation of the woman. The statute says it is a crime to "seduce and debauch any unmarried woman."
The only way that will withstand scrutiny is if there is an element of deception or damage to reputation involved. Such as perhaps taping a non-consensual sexual encounter and circulating it, as an example (and I am not saying that is what happened here, necessarily). Or maybe if you pretended to be a woman's boyfriend, for example, that would be to "seduce and debauch" (perhaps among other crimes).
I am not sure how it's been interpreted either, I was just suggesting a construction that would make it enforceable. The intent, I think, was to protect the reputation of the woman, whose marriage prospects would be damaged by being seduced and debauched. Secondarily perhaps it reinforces the patriarchial norm that men are responsible for their daugthers. But it's not a tort wherein the father would be compensated, nor does it provide any right to a father (unlike early common law).
The attached suggests that the seduction laws (such as Michigan's) were intended to criminalize lying about intentions in order to have sex with a woman (e.g., promosing marriage). That would support the construction.
https://www.purplemotes.net/2015/07/12/criminalizing-seduction/
Completely insane. 3 guys took turns raping a woman and filmed it, but won't go to jail. What. The. Actual. Fuck.
Interview with ingham county prosecutor....
Look, these guys still have 4 years of eligibility available; Sparty can't have them wasting their time in the slammer. Gotta beat Michigan.
Jesus Christ, what the hell is going on in Ingham County?!
and she doesn't give a shit how victims feel.
It's possible she was so hard on Nassar precisely because he torpedoed MSU's reputation....
away too, what a dumpster fire...
...were dismissed from the football team when charges were filed and subsequently expelled ahead of this plea deal. Lots of inexcusable behavior in East Lansing and clearly there is a culture problem, but I don't think this case is very good at supporting the narratives about AD concealment or lack of consequences.
And I never really thought it was so much the AD or Izzo/Dantonio as much as the Ingham County Prosecutor.
in East Landfill goes beyond the borders of the University. There are clearly enablers in the law enforcement (what a joke that name is in Ingham) community there. It's unclear who they are. But it would at least partially explain the actions of MSU officials doing little or nothing on these cases. They simply have no fear of any consequences and they're able to keep their jobs if everything is kept in the dark. The State of Michigan needs to set up a satellite office in East Landfill so they can start uncovering the layers of filth in the "justice" system there.
Culture problem??? Dantonio kicked these 3 off of the team for just seducing a woman. Sounds like they run a pretty tight ship over there.
Shit, he kicked a dude out of his house for littering!
how the MSU athletic department and Dantonio would have handled this case if Nassar wasn't in the news. I'd bet a lot of money that Blackwell wouldn't have been fired.
These guys were not immediately dismissed from the team when the accusations first surfaced. They remained on the team for months, albeit under suspension, pending charges actually being filed. Had nothing come of this criminally, there is no doubt that Dantonio would have welcomed them back. Nevermind that the incident itself was completely distasteful and reflects poorly on MSU because boys will be boys.
Dantonio has consistently shown that all standards are flexible and subject to compromise in the pursuit of winning He is a textbook example of the moral bankruptcy that exists in major college athletics today.