The Anti-Carr Team: Defensive Line Comment Count

Brian July 16th, 2008 at 1:58 PM

The highs dispensed of, we can focus on the real Michigan specialty: lows. This is an attempt to document the absolute worst players inflicted upon Michigan fans during Lloyd Carr's tenure as head coach. This is sort of a mean thing to do, since even the worst Michigan players are amongst the top 1% of football players anywhere. It's kind of like making fun of Darko, even though Darko's richer than you and way, way better at basketball than you.

Anyway, this is also a season-by-season evaluation, with special emphasis given to extended presence in the lineup. Tyrece Butler wasn't very good but he was the fourth wide receiver at best and thus did not impact Michigan's fate as much as Pat Massey did in 2005.

In sum: we're trying to find the guys at each position that make you think "how did that guy spend that much time on the field?" This is less laser-focused on years; some career aspects are taken into account.

Defensive Tackle

Pat Massey 2005. Massey is one of four unholy locks that cannot be disagreed upon. (The others: Todd Howard, Ryan Mundy, and John Navarre.) A 6'8" defensive tackle instructed to eat a lot of pizza by cutting-edge S&C coach Mike Gittleson, Massey spent 2005 moonwalking downfield against single blocking. At no point did he ever threaten to enter the opponent's backfield. He spent more time on his back than former Notre Dame AD Kevin White at a meeting with NBC (zing!). He probably thought the line of scrimmage started somewhere around the safeties.

Choice bits on Massey from the blog's past follow. 2005's OSU UFR:

Massey(-1) is crushed off the snap ... Massey also gets crushed by single blocking. ... Running right at Massey again, who crumples backwards under the force of two blockers ... Clear evidence of Massey(-1) being a part of the opponent gameplan here. He's blown off the ball a couple yards by one blocker. The center doesn't even chip anyone and immediately plows into Harris.

A review of the 2005 season:

If only Massey played as purty as he talked. He's 6'8", and there's a reason you've never heard of a 6'8" DT before: every play someone gets under this hypothetical giant's pads and drives him five yards backwards. Massey's only contribution this year was pursuing on screens.

A review of the 2005 preview:

Moving from defensive end in the 3-4 to a 4-3 defensive tackle was a disaster for Massey, who may as well have been named "Crumpled" by the end of the year. We should have seen it coming--when was the last time you saw a 6'8", 285-pound defensive tackle? When is the next time? I'm guessing "never" and "never again."

A review of the defensive losses after the 2005 season:

This is probably the most effective summary of his career: though he started for three years he finished with exactly four TFLs that were not sacks. All four came as a sophomore, two against Houston and two against Indiana. As a senior he had 29 tackles, one for loss. That was a sack against Michigan State where Woodley crushed two blockers, forcing Stanton to scramble back into a trailing Massey. Whoever replaces him would have to try very hard indeed to do less.

You get the idea. By all accounts he was a great guy Carr loved like a son, but... yeah. Crumplestiltskin.

Shawn Lazarus, 2001. I admit I'm guessing on this one, my memory of mediocre defensive tackles being sketchy. However, Michigan's had a parade of fringe-or-better NFL players at the position and Lazarus was one of the few to miss out. I do have lingering memories of him as the least productive of the Caucasian pride parade that was Michigan's line from about 1999 to 2002. The stats back me up:

Career Defense for Shawn Lazarus
Season Tac Ast Tot TFL Yds Sack Yds PBU FR Yds FF
9 5 14 3.0 12 1.0 7 0 2 0 0
12 4 16 3.0 11 2.0 9 0 1 23 0

2000 was a year mostly spent as a backup, but in 2001 Lazarus had 12 starts and turned in 16 tackles. Stats aren't the be-all and end-all for defensive tackles, but even so... that's not good production, and he was one of the few non-Massey defensive tackles at Michigan to be completely overlooked by all-conference teams and the NFL. (Lazarus turned in a better senior year, FWIW, with 30 tackles and 6 TFLs.)

Sidenote: Lazarus is now a motivational speaker of the Scared Straight variety:

"Where Can You Find Shawn Lazarus?"

Shawn Lazarus Detention Officer
Youth can either listen to me now or in the Juvenile Court System.

Honorable(?) Mention: The other guy considered for the second spot was -- gulp -- Will Johnson, who had a pretty meh 2007 and was partially responsible for the weak run defense last year.

Defensive End

Dan Rumishek, 2000. This could have been any defensive end on the 2000 team, which featured Rumishek starting ten games on the strongside and four players, all of whom were basically terrible, on the weakside: Evan Coleman, a freshman Larry Stevens, Alain Kashama, and Shantee Orr. Orr was the only one who would go on to the NFL, and he only had two starts. (Injury?)

At the time, Rumishek was a sophomore, and it showed. He finished the year with 24 tackles and one lonely sack. When that's your best defensive end... well.

Larry Stevens, 2003. This may not be entirely fair, but if the point of this team is to identify guys who had inexplicably vast amounts of playing time, Stevens has got to be up there. He arrived at Michigan a high school safety and was immediately placed on the defensive line, seeing a couple starts at DE as a freshman -- more evidence the 2000 season was not a banner year for the position.

Steven's junior year was mediocre at best, but it's Stevens' senior season that comes in for scruity here: 27 tackles, 4 sacks in 13 games. Three of those sacks came against Houston and the first Notre Dame team to get housed 38-0. (Towards the end, the student section chanted "Houston's better" at the beleagured Irish.) Against the rest of the schedule Stevens notched one sack, that versus Purdue.

Surprisingly, Stevens collected 16 tackles over a couple years with the Bengals.

Honorable(?) Mention: Larry Harrison's one year as a starter was as a 3-4 defensive end. He was okay at it, but spent his offseason showing his bits to anyone who didn't want to see them, which was everyone. Can we put David Bowens' junior and senior years in this category? They were spent at Western Illinois, after all, and just after Bowens broke Michigan's single-season sack record.



July 16th, 2008 at 2:08 PM ^

I remember one of my first visits to mgoblog and being extremely excited that someone shared the same amount of disdain for this guy.  I think that was when I knew that I'd be checking these site daily if not hourly.


July 16th, 2008 at 2:42 PM ^

The really mind-boggling thing about Massey is that while every M qb seems to have plenty of passes knocked down at the LOS, I can't recall Massey ever knocking down a single pass himself. For a guy who's 6-8 with a wingspan that has to be pretty wide, that's simply criminal. I'd place the blame on coaching as much as anything; it doesn't take any great amount of talent to just raise your arms in the air around the time the QB is about to throw. Of course, if you're getting pancaked all the time it's difficult to get your arms up...


July 16th, 2008 at 3:47 PM ^

Massey, Howard, Mundy, and Navarre should be verbs in a new sort of shorthand that makes UFR more hilarious and easier to write. They could correspond to each player's signature act, and to a set number of plus/minus points.

For example, instead of writing

"S. Brown (-3) bites hard on the playfake to Wells and sprints ten yards toward the line of scrimmage before he realizes he has left Warren in single coverage on this third-and-twelve play. Meanwhile, Warren (-2) has been turned around by Robiskie's hitch-and-go and is trying to backpedal to make up fifteen yards of his own. Boeckman hits Robiskie in stride."

You can write:

"S. Brown mundies (auto -3), Warren howards (auto -2)."

We'll know what you mean.

chitownblue (not verified)

July 16th, 2008 at 3:50 PM ^

Navarre was, in totality, not a bad player. Obviously that Sophomore Season belongs in here. But he did become a perfectly fine QB.

Yinka Double Dare

July 16th, 2008 at 6:13 PM ^

"John Navarre blamed for offense, defense, kicking game, Iraq, 9/11, everything else"

The Carr "quote" in there was great.

Did Brian write that?  The reference to the "imaginary 11 foot tall friend" sure makes me think so, it's only missing the name of said 11 foot tall friend, which we all know was of course Tacopants. 


July 16th, 2008 at 8:38 PM ^


10-3, Big Ten Champions, took OSU behind the woodshed

270-of-456 passes for 3,331 yards and 24 touchdowns ... first quarterback in Michigan history to surpass 3,000 passing yards in a season ... threw at least one touchdown pass in all 13 games ... threw for over 200 yards in a school-record 10 of the 13 contests ... finished second in the Big Ten in passing and total offense



July 16th, 2008 at 11:57 PM ^

Speaking of bad quarterbacking, Griese's great senior year has largely purged our collective memory of the fact that he sucked, hard, as a sophomore. Our D was great and Biakabutuka had a Heisman-worthy season, but Griese's inability to complete anything beyond five yards resulted in us dropping four games (and kept '95 OSU from being a total rout). I remember being almost happy to hear that offseason that he'd been suspended for spring practice (for throwing a rock through Scorekeepers' window, IIRC).

The Barking Sp…

July 16th, 2008 at 9:02 PM ^

Ho hum, just another cop who looks like a charter member of the Aryan Brotherhood. What is it with these guys? is there some sort of "macho" thing going on where they have to look like Hitler made them in a laboratory and unleashed them on the world to stock America's prisons?


July 16th, 2008 at 10:57 PM ^

Nice post on Navarre. He WAS very good his senior year. In the Rose Bowl I remember him throwing a perfect bomb right on Braylon's hands...and B.E. promptly dropping it! Then came the sacks. Sacks. Sacks. Sacks. That's when I first cursed Andy Moeller and the Sieve Lines he became known for. Poor Johnny had NO chance in that game. Like Henne, if Senior Year Navarre was given time (and was healthy) he WOULD carve up an offense every time. The other 2 losses that season (Oregon and Iowa) were almost 100% attributable to Boccher and his WORST SPECIALS TEAMS EVER.


July 17th, 2008 at 7:58 AM ^

Yes - Navarre was definitely ok in that Oregon game and in the Iowa game he set a single game record for pass yardage I think - You can't blame him for crazy punt formations or sitting on a lead.




July 17th, 2008 at 1:29 PM ^

I didn't jump on here defending Navarre, as per my usual routine, because Brian has not made his case. I presume he will talk exclusively about the 2001 season which I'm sure will look (and was) horrible. Navarre gets somewhat of a pass from me because of fracking Henson and it wasn't like there was anyone else.

Otherwise, I will remember Navarre kindly as the last QB to lead us to victory over OSU. He also won a bowl game which was more than Henne could say until recently. In fact, my memory views Navarre in a much better light than Henne. Some of Brian's critical opinion of Navarre may be due to the fact that he shared the campus with him (I'm guessing) magnifying his emotions.

I'll tell you this, those years of sucky Dreisbach and sucky Greise were underwhelming (some of my campus days.) But that was back in the day when beating OSU was assumed.

chitownblue (not verified)

July 17th, 2008 at 2:12 PM ^

I believe Brian and I were the same class, which would put Navarre's Freshman season (where he started the first couple games until Henson came back) as our first out of school. As people have mentioned - Navarre sucked, bad, his Sophomore season. But had Henson never gotten lured away by the Yanks, he wouldn't have played. It's not his fault there was no one else there. As his Senior year demonstrated, he clearly had the talent to be a quality college QB.


July 17th, 2008 at 8:33 PM ^

Seriously, I think '95 Griese was worse than '01 Navarre. Give '01 Navarre Amani Toomer, Mercury Hayes and Jay Rimersma to throw to, a veteran OL, and Biakabutuka and Chris Floyd in the backfield, and I bet he'd have been at least adequate. Our '95 team was stacked everywhere except QB.