OT: Asst Prof Speaks Out at MSU BoT Meeting
ICYMI: This was an interesting moment for Engler and the MSU Board of Trustees. It shows just how out of touch the school's new administration continues to be.
Key quote from Engler:
MSU Interim President John Engler asked Boucher to leave. Afterward, Engler said the man who left the meeting was “trapped maybe in the past.” The audience booed.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:01 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 1:23 PM ^
then do NOT open up the comments section and read them. 3 to 1, the MSU slappies are blaming the messenger and praising Engler for shouting him down.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:26 PM ^
I'm an M grad, and current MSU Faculty Member...
To your point; I obviously can't speak for the entire faculty body, but I do sit on two University-wide committees that have a delegate from every college and major academic unit on campus. I have not seen a single faculty member who isn't enraged by everything happening here, and that is reflected in the very one-sided vote that occurred this week.
It would appear, at least to me, that an overwhelming majority of MSU faculty, staff, and students "get it"... and we're working to get those that don't, out of the picture. We're sickened by what's happened / is happening here.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:40 PM ^
slow clap - well done
February 16th, 2018 at 1:42 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^
UofM as well. If a certain number of signatures are gathered, an immediate vote on the board of trustees, outside the normal election cadence, needs to happen.
Everyone on that board needs to be terminated. They need a new board to remove Engler. He is disgusting, in both physical appearance and demeanor.
February 16th, 2018 at 2:55 PM ^
"We are kind of missing the point here," said Jean boucher, an assistant professor in the Department of Sociology. "Health is not the issue. This is a management issue."
And you agree with him, citing "[Bad Guy] is disgusting, in both physical appearance and demeanor. "
February 16th, 2018 at 8:01 PM ^
Seems to me on such an important issue you lose all credibility when you rationalize somebody's physical appearance as a reason for terminiation.
While I grew up in Michigan, went to school at Michigan, I haven't lived in Michigan in about 40 years so I have no basis to judge Engler one way or the other however, childish reasoning such as physical appearance and not a much better one than the nebulous term "demeanor" leaves me with the impression you have little to go by as well. I believe this issue deserves a greater level of maturity than worrying about physical appearances and personal demeanor.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^
...if the basketball/football allegations get stronger. I've always maintained that Dantonio should've been fired or at least suspended after the Auston Robertson dismissal. Dantonio endangered young women on campus by saying "Yes" to a guy who sexually assaulted a classmate and assumed all would go well for that kid away from home. At some point, you have to have a moral compass, even in recruiting.
February 16th, 2018 at 2:25 PM ^
if he wasn't caught on camera body slamming the security guard? (I do).
February 16th, 2018 at 3:01 PM ^
I'm pretty sure that if Lewerke wasn't good, they would've taken a chance on Jayru as a transfer.
February 16th, 2018 at 2:59 PM ^
How do you feel about recidivism? Second chances? 'Cause I'm all for a student-athlete trying to change himself and get an education he likely wouldn't get.
Granted, I believe that Dark Mantonio (TM) shouldn't have let the kid on, and was not doing it in the interest of the kid. But just from a second chance perspective, why is it wrong to give a give a second chance?
February 16th, 2018 at 3:08 PM ^
It would've been a third chance actually. This is from signing day 2016:
"He previously faced misdemeanor charges of criminal mischief, damaging or defacing property, and resisting arrest, but those charges were dropped in Allen Superior Court 5 on Sept. 10."
Playing big-time D-1 football is a priviledge, not a right. Let him earn it at a JUCO or let another program take a chance on him.
February 16th, 2018 at 2:01 PM ^
On January 31st, the Steering Committee sent an email to the voting faculty to get broad input on whether to pursue a vote of no confidence in the MSU Board of Trustees. On Feb 3rd, the voting faculty (Academic Congress) decided to place a vote of no confidence on the Faculty Senate agenda. Of the 2,776 voting faculty (AC), 1,907 votes were received with 1,653 YES, 192 NO, and 62 abstained. Because of the majority of total faculty votes and the importance and immediacy of this, the Steering Committee voted to have an emergency Faculty Senate meeting on Tuesday, February 13th. The Faculty Senate is the governing faculty body that deliberates and approves curriculum changes as well as many of the faculty statements and proposals. It is comprised of faculty representatives from all colleges. There are 70 voting faculty on the Senate and 5 non-voting members. On the 13th, there were 65 voting faculty present at the Senate meeting. After much discussion, the Faculty Senate voted (by iclicker) on "No Confidence" in the MSU Board of Trustees. The vote was in favor of a "No Confidence" censure. The secret ballot was 61 in favor and 4 against.
The Faculty who spoke at the meeting noted many reasons why they voted no confidence in the Board including:
- A lack of oversight and supervision by the Board regarding the Nassar case, finding the Board complicit at worst or grossly negligent in oversight at best.
- A lack of compassion for the survivors.
- Failure, over a period of years, to listen to the stakeholders of Michigan State University, from students to faculty to deans.
- Appointment of an Interim President, without discussing the selection with MSU stakeholders.
The Steering Committee will provide the Board of Trustees with a letter indicating the results of the vote, what the vote means and a call for their resignation. Since the motion the Faculty Senate voted did not include any mention of resignation, the call to resignation will just be coming from the Steering Committee, not the Faculty Senate as a whole.
We believe that proper procedure should allow for the Faculty Senate to deliberate and vote on the next course of action. The Faculty Senate will meet next week to do just this. The agenda item will be a discussion of the next steps following the Faculty Senate vote of no confidence. Among possible actions to this vote are a resignation request from the whole body, a recommendation to replace individual trustees, creating mechanisms to add faculty (and others) to the governing body, changing the responsibilities of the governing body, etc.
The discussion will be led by the members of the Faculty Senate and the results of that meeting will be communicated to the Board of Trustees and the faculty.
February 16th, 2018 at 3:29 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 7:48 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 8:43 PM ^
over John Sinclair than there has been in EL over this entire issue.
February 16th, 2018 at 3:18 PM ^
while thats great the faculuty trying to do something and gets it, still doesnt change the fact football and basketball don't and nothing in the end is gonna happen to izzo or dantonio or anybody in those 2 sports areas.
All for the W's
February 16th, 2018 at 3:30 PM ^
As we've seen, this BoT supports the athletic department above all else. While not a complete solution, removing this BoT is a necessary step towards addressing the cultural and systemic issues that are present in the athletic department, and elsewhere on campus.
February 16th, 2018 at 6:19 PM ^
Thanks to you for providing some insider info as to the mindset of many on campus. This site always seems to have at least a few with good info versus the bullshit we often see from the trolls. We appreciate the share!
February 16th, 2018 at 3:30 PM ^
It would appear, at least to me, that an overwhelming majority of MSU faculty, staff, and students "get it".I'm sure that virtually all non-sports fans at MSU "get it." I'm wondering how many sports fans do, though.
February 16th, 2018 at 5:00 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 1:08 PM ^
Beyond Thunderdome. Isn't that him next to Auntie?
February 16th, 2018 at 1:33 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 1:48 PM ^
who wears their pants this high?
February 16th, 2018 at 2:18 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 3:26 PM ^
Probably hiding his Oldsmobile in there...
February 16th, 2018 at 3:57 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 1:15 PM ^
He pointed out the vote of no confidence as well when addressing the board. I agree with OP, this is not just some sensational headline. Read the article, Engler's response seems remarkably inappropriate.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:17 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 1:21 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^
izzo and dantonio to lead the charge and expose their wrong doings? they ain't nick nolte in blue chips. that was a movie. they are going to go full pitino, who is still fighting his allegations tooth and nail. even though he was caught on tape.
izzo and dantoinio appear to have a lot more wagons circling them, though. it will take another little big horn for those two to go down. hopefully, the atty general or the lead investigator will be another sitting bull. but i'm losing faith in the situation.
February 16th, 2018 at 2:12 PM ^
Yeah... I don't think utterly ignorant or intentionally deceitful is a trait that Engler possesses alone. It seems that a particular American institution, to which he once belonged, has become rife with ignorant and deceitful people. He's learning how to act from those closest to him ideologically. This is not an isolated event. It's a disturbingly pervasive trend.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:16 PM ^
However, to even think about extending Dantonio's contract in this whirlwind of general MSU misconduct and mismanagement is insane.
Engler is basically the same as Simon.
Business as usual Spartys!
February 16th, 2018 at 1:44 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 1:16 PM ^
Engler believes his job is to shut down every bit of negativity regardless of the source.
February 16th, 2018 at 2:49 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 1:17 PM ^
Look no further for proof that appointing Engler was a terrible idea. Guy just doesnt get it. I'm not sure they could've realistically made a much worse pick to take over that "university".
February 16th, 2018 at 1:20 PM ^
"Trapped maybe in the past," eh? Maybe like, I don't know, an institution that would let HUNDREDS of girls get sexually molested by a doctor over two decades before anyone fucking noticed???
February 16th, 2018 at 2:10 PM ^
They noticed. They were told point blank.
They just could bring themselves to care.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:21 PM ^
that a number of students spoke out at the meeting as well.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:25 PM ^
Engler is a puppet of Pete Secchia's and Bill Schutte. All these guys job right now is to protect Izzo and Dantonio and make sure they defer any sexual campus misconduct to Nassar. It is very evident that this was the plan all along to try to further cover up and defer.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:31 PM ^
For this kids birthday his dad got George HW Bush and Lorenzo White to come to out school to give speeches.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:34 PM ^
This is exactly correct. MSU is trying to protect their image and 2 very successful coaches and is just hoping a larger news story/ scandal will eventually take the heat off of them.
The sad thing is I think it will work. Izzo and Dantonio won't lose a single recruit or fan due to their inaction.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:31 PM ^
Prevailing sentiment is burn them all at the stake? And then burn down the campus? Engler, Izzo, and Dantonio all guilty too? Proud grad of UM and MSU both and sure recognize a toxic witch hunt when I see one. Cut the brothers in Lansing some slack to correct a horrible situation. There are still some good people with good intentions trying their best up there.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:41 PM ^
If they start trying, then I will cut some slack.
Every move they have made to date is all about protecting the brand - and more importantly - the MSU employees elbow deep in this bullshit.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:47 PM ^
When MSU starts trying to do the right thing rather than simply trying to pretend the bad things are somehow ancient history, not worth talking about, the product of a "witch hunt," etc., then (maybe) we'll talk. Until then, the entire administration of that school can go suck a bag of dicks.
February 16th, 2018 at 2:52 PM ^
February 16th, 2018 at 3:40 PM ^