OTL E:60 clip from this morning - focuses solely in MSU MBB
January 28th, 2018 at 10:01 AM ^
Missed it. Will have to watch for a re-play. Any new insight?
January 28th, 2018 at 10:04 AM ^
No. Not really. Its clear Dantonio is lying, however.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:05 AM ^
The only new thing is Walton's denial and further establishment of a pattern at MSU. He reacted like a person who both 1)totally knew of the allegations OTL was asking about
2)acted (poorly) like he'd never heard them before in his life.
Nobody ends a sentence with "wow".
January 28th, 2018 at 11:13 AM ^
Walton couldn't have come off as more guilty if he had tried. Really. And worse still, he is truly surprised to hear the gang rape get mentioned, like he had truly believed the "machine" at MSU that his back and that of the other players had made it disappear. .00000001% almost feels bad for the guy; he had actually convinced himself that it never happened, but now it's back, 8 years later, and he truly doesn't know what to say.
January 28th, 2018 at 11:37 AM ^
Quite a denial by Walton there. "I punch so hard, you know it couldn't have been me, since she wasn't hurt enough."
And of course he wouldn't remember being accused of rape because duh, who'd remember a trivial thing like that?
January 28th, 2018 at 12:00 PM ^
Talk about displaying your lacking-in-self-confidence masculine persona for the world to see. "I didn't hit her. She was only bruised. If I had hit her, it would have been way worse...Because I'll punch a bitch and fuck her up, I've done it before and will do it again..." [Last part added be me...]
January 28th, 2018 at 12:17 PM ^
don’t say. .0000001% thought that Travis Walton may have actually said that, verbatim.
January 28th, 2018 at 11:20 AM ^
Based on this it seems that Walton was charged with assault and battery from the 2010 incident at Dublin Square in downtown EL where he punched a student twice, knocking her out. It seems the staff at the bar knew exactly what had happened and the bouncer had already escorted Walton outside when the ELPD arrived, and the ELPD had several witness statements attesting that Walton had done it, so there doesn't seem to be any legitimate issue of fact regarding the concussion caused by Waltons two punches.
Frustratingly enough, the assistant city attorney (former) for EL, the other assistant city attorney at the time is now the city's only attorney, decided not to take the case forward and he got a parking ticket instead. Frustrating because the city attorney pursued a charge of sexual assault against Grant Perry when there was no evidence to support the claim, (he was definitely guilty of trying to get away from the police) and this guy was going after Perry while he (city attorney Yeadon) was committing fraud with $135,000 in federal flunds. Oh, yeah but the city violated Michigan record retention laws when it destroyed Walton's file early. I suppose it was probably better for the city than releasing it.
January 28th, 2018 at 12:44 PM ^
If what you say is true, then East Lansing criminal justice system has no sense of morality, or really is run by a bunch of stereotypical beat Michigan at all costs, couchburning fools. Grant Perry made a lesser mistake than Walton and got fucked because he plays for Michigan, and Walton walks with a parking ticket? Unbelievably disgusting. This rabbit hole goes deeper that the university.
January 28th, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^
If what you say is true, then East Lansing criminal justice system has no sense of morality, or really is run by a bunch of stereotypical beat Michigan at all costs, couchburning fools. Grant Perry made a lesser mistake than Walton and got fucked because he plays for Michigan, and Walton walks with a parking ticket? Unbelievably disgusting. This rabbit hole goes deeper that the university.
January 28th, 2018 at 1:23 PM ^
Yeadon's law firm (McGinty et al) serves as the City Attorney for East Lansing, as it has for over 25 years, and not just Yeadon. So there aren't assistant city attorneys in the commonly understood sense--like there would be in larger cities like Lansing or even Ann Arbor..
{and Perry most definitely was guilty; thinking otherwise is what everyone is accusing MSU apologists of doing]
January 28th, 2018 at 10:27 AM ^
They had an interview with the woman that was raped by Appling and Payne. That was pretty compelling and damning stuff. And the interview with the parents of woman who was raped by a handful of MSU football players was also pretty compelling and damning. I hadn't seen either of those before.
The whole hour long special as a whole was pretty damning for MSU.
January 28th, 2018 at 11:11 AM ^
Into the 1 hour show will not help anyone defending them
http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/22214566/pattern-denial-inaction-in…
January 28th, 2018 at 10:03 AM ^
RCMB has gone full PSU. Allswede is their McQueary.
michiganstate.247sports.com/Board/93/Contents/Lauren-Allswede-114298730
January 28th, 2018 at 10:10 AM ^
I believe what Allswede is saying, they should look into interviewing the other "good staffers" she referenced who left around the same time because the school wasn't doing anything to change the environment
January 28th, 2018 at 10:32 AM ^
That is so fucked up, everything in this story is so fucked up, how can they claim slander for a scandal that's already brought down 2 major members of the administration?
January 28th, 2018 at 10:37 AM ^
I'm not surprised that the idiots come out the woodwork to defend Dantonio and Izzo against a woman. It's going to suck for them once they realize OTL got their reporting from many other sources.
January 28th, 2018 at 11:48 AM ^
that the RCMB is the "lowest common denominator". It has always amazed me how unintelligent that bunch is as a whole - it is like a bunch of 17 year old boys who all have an IQ around 80, with no perspective of the world beyond Sparty sports worship.
But you are wrong - doesn't matter how many more stories and sources come out - even if Dantonio and/or Izzo resign or are fired, that group at the RCMB will live in denial the rest of their lives. In 20 years, they will still be posting on the RCMB about the greatness of both coaches, and the conspiracy of ESPN and the Freep/Detnews sportswriters who unfairly took down their program just because of Nassar. Count on it...
January 28th, 2018 at 10:40 AM ^
I'll paraphrase that entire thread: "Fuck that lying bitch!"
January 28th, 2018 at 11:30 AM ^
Not even close. This place is the walking definition of group polarization lol
January 28th, 2018 at 11:35 AM ^
Just like with Baylor and PofSU, you will have the iron clad fan that refuses to accept that their holy Campos could have any flaws. I talked with my sister in law, a MSU grad and life long Sparty. Those whom are not drinking the koolaid see the issues and want answers. You will always have the loyal soldiers who march through the innocent to follow their leader.
January 28th, 2018 at 11:49 AM ^
They are trashing Allswede's appearance and stating that they want to punch her in the neck, etc.
As if we needed any more confirmation that MSU football players/basketball players felt it was ok to demean and brutalize women.
January 28th, 2018 at 12:07 PM ^
As more and more victims come forward and confirm these reports there will be now way out for Izzo or Danantonio except resignation. Sorry to say because I really wanted to punk "coach D" in East Landfill next year!
January 28th, 2018 at 12:18 PM ^
The game is in Ann Arbor next year.
January 28th, 2018 at 12:25 PM ^
Unless the Big Ten has abruptly changed the schedule, it's in East Lansing. It was in Ann Arbor this year. I think my clothes might have finally dried off...
January 28th, 2018 at 12:39 PM ^
You are confusing year and season. This year, 2018, we play at MSU.
January 28th, 2018 at 2:18 PM ^
This school year we played at home. Next school year we play at MSU.
January 28th, 2018 at 4:10 PM ^
That’s fine, but he said “next year.” All I did was remind him that the game next year is in Ann Arbor.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:05 AM ^
The Travis Walton gang rape was with other MSU basketball players and Hollis covered it up. When will we find out their names?
January 28th, 2018 at 10:26 AM ^
ESPN no doubt has a plan of attack. They got their open records, and probably plan to cover one topic at a time: gymnastics, basketball, football.
The AG will also uncover non-athletic sexual assault issues as well. When I visited MSU as a teenager, it was common knowledge that women should avoid certain areas of campus after dark. When I lived in Lansing several years after college, nothing had changed.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:43 AM ^
Dorm rooms and floors of football and basketball players. Period.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:45 AM ^
Didn’t think about it until you said it, but isn’t the path through the woods by the Red Cedar River referred to as the “rape path” or something like that?
January 28th, 2018 at 10:55 AM ^
This is going to be death by 1000 cuts. The next ten stories are already written.
It is hard to see Izzo making it past this.
January 28th, 2018 at 11:47 AM ^
that anything will happen to Izzo. I really hope he and Mike D are fired. But until it happens I find it hard to believe. They deserve it . At the very least this should have a huge negative impact on their recruiting. What parents would want to send their kids to play for guys accused of this stuff? Not isolated incidents but a definite pattern of behavior.
January 28th, 2018 at 12:20 PM ^
is GONE. I believe he knows it, too. He, out of the two, if the one that I am sure is out.
January 28th, 2018 at 1:39 PM ^
The Payne interview video being public is going to be hard to come back from. A great way for MSU to save face from this whole thing would be for the new AD to come in and force Izzo and Dantonio to retire to “start a new culture”.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:07 AM ^
When the records of all the counseling sessions from Allswede's office are opened up by consent of the accusing victims, this will likely get way way worse.
And they will be opened up as necessary to civil suits. Either ongoing, or to be filed.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:08 AM ^
Though not digging in that deep. Entire report poking holes into sexual assault handlings by both coaches. Sounds like it won't stop until it's torn wide open into complete transparency. OTL digging and will continue to dig. They smell blood in the water. Add in the Michigan A.G. and MSU will be hard pressed to keep their silence and unwillingness to cooperate. Their lack so far was noted and makes them look even worse.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:09 AM ^
On the girl who passed away was absolutely brutal.
Those names should be public.
Dantonio is despicable.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:15 AM ^
Internal report mentioning Hollis and that Izzo was aware wrt the 3 players including Walton
Also the Payne interview video. Maybe that was out there, but that was a lot worse than I expected. Especially with the narrative that there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute. How was that video + the victims statement not enough? Also how could Izzo see that video and say, ‘yeah these guys are good to play every game’. Or was it intentional ignorance on izzo’s part? ‘ DA says we’re cool, all I need to know’.
Edit: I think someone needs to ask Izzo point blank - did you see the Payne interview in 2010?
January 28th, 2018 at 10:26 AM ^
It is sickening. Even if he Didn't see it and he never heard of it, he knows now. What is stopping him from having a conscience now. That was sick and Izzo should feel bad and acknowledge publicly.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:14 AM ^
Thank You ESPN. May justice
Be served accordingly.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:19 AM ^
Thank God we have Harbaugh. Perry received more punishment for what he did outside of a bar and Mitchell for smoking pot, both would have played a MSU without missing a beat.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:27 AM ^
when it comes to discipline. It's MSU that was way out of line.
January 28th, 2018 at 10:28 AM ^
I thought Perry got off pretty good based on what he did.
January 28th, 2018 at 11:43 AM ^
From the limited amount I know about the story, the investigation was settled and the sentencing wasn't criminal, I beleive he only had a misdemeanor and did some community service. Handled very well by the school for suspending the player while the legal system sorted it out, and once it did, it was clear that the susepnsion already served to Grant was enough for the wrongdoing. But again, I'm not 100% sure
January 28th, 2018 at 11:54 AM ^
That's weak as fuck, dude. Perry went through the goddamn LEGAL SYSTEM. That's the fundamental difference. How do you not make that distinction?
January 28th, 2018 at 1:58 PM ^
That is the exact same excuse PSU used and MSU is using. Let's not do that here.
January 28th, 2018 at 3:57 PM ^
I guess I don't see your point?
I'm saying the two things aren't even close to being equal. There was no institutional cover up with Grant Perry, and he went through the justic system as a matter of course.