PopeLando

January 25th, 2018 at 11:27 AM ^

Here's the problem: by resigning, President Simon just became a very rich lady. Her contact is beyond generous, including one full year of her $750k salary, plus two years of 3/4 salary, plus all kinds of other perks. She's being fucking rewarded for her role in this.

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iawolve

January 24th, 2018 at 10:40 PM ^

Per her quote "I have worked very hard to put Team MSU first." and this is why you are in this situation.

When your ethos is created on them against us with that chip on your shoulder, you rationalize things the "us" does as legitimate and "them" as just trying to take "us" down. She should have put people such as "students" or "children" first instead of Team MSU since that would have made her human or compassionate. Reading the quotes from her statement does not demonstrate any of this self-realization instead includes gems about the tragedy being politicized- no you were derilict of your duty as a President and rightfully were shown the door, good riddance. 

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/22203758/michigan-state-u…

 

 

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SpinachAssassin

January 24th, 2018 at 11:14 PM ^

A back-of-the-napkin projection has it reaching $1 billion (Detroit News article). There were 144 lawsuits against MSU as of December 2017, likely more now.

Their endowment is $3 billion. Something like this is pretty devastating to an ability to fund programs for students and research. All due to ego, pride and hubris. Kind of incomprehensible.

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BornInA2

January 24th, 2018 at 11:19 PM ^

I don't find it incomprehensible at all. I hear people every day in every way justify why they voted for an admitted sexual assaulter. The MSU situation is a SYMPTOM of that acceptance.

It's just not possible to have it be okay if one person sexually victimizes people but not other people. It's not okay for any reason ever, and people who do it belong behind bars for a very, very long time.

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BornInA2

January 24th, 2018 at 11:46 PM ^

Something to think about the next time you're around someone who says something crude like "I'd like to tap that".

If you smile, laugh, etc. you're an enabler. These things start little. They are much easier to stop at that stage.

By most accounts 40-50% of women in this country have been sexually victimized in some way. Fixing an epidemic of that proportion requires all of us to stop tolerating this shit, even the little shit.

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BornInA2

January 25th, 2018 at 10:25 AM ^

There is a side of this conversation for whom facts are largely irrelevant because another story is more supportive of their preferred reality. This is a perfect example. Parrott the falsehood enough and some people start believing it. "Locker room talk", "He was just kidding", "Boys will be boys". All lame rationalizations for statements and/or actions that enable exactly what a bunch of them are now castigating someone who they don't like about.

You can't condone one person, for any reason, and then get on your high horse and preach when someone else does it. That action doesn't make you even, it makes you an enabling hypocrite.

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gruden

January 25th, 2018 at 9:13 AM ^

Not objecting to someone saying "I'd like to tap that" is enabling?  I checked Urban Dictionary to make sure I didn't miss something:

 

A term used to express approval, especially to the point of expressing a person's sex appeal; often used sarcastically

 

If someone said that in reference to a young person I don't think they're many around here who wouldn't respond negatively to anyone who said that.  Too much extremism.  We're talking about normal human decency here.  Simon looks like a sociopath to me.

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MGoPoe

January 25th, 2018 at 10:05 AM ^

I said this in the other thread that was deleted but this must be what she was talking about when she couldn't make it to the victim's statements in the sentencing hearing.  She didn't even do this until the sentence was handed down.  Entire thing reeked of Dave Brandon.  Burn it all, board included.  I hope those victims take that entire effing $3 billion endowment.

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gruden

January 25th, 2018 at 9:24 AM ^

That's a great point.  My wife is a mandatory reporter and she's had to do that on a few occasions.  Funny how what is taken so seriously in a public school level is disregarded on a collegiate level.  She shouldn't be let off the hook for that.

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darkstar

January 25th, 2018 at 9:42 AM ^

a mandatory reporter since she was a coach.  Here is the list I found.  Maybe school personnel encompasses her position?

Social workers ƒ Teachers, principals, and other school personnel ƒ Physicians, nurses, and other health-care workers ƒ Counselors, therapists, and other mental health professionals ƒ Child care providers ƒ Medical examiners or coroners ƒ Law enforcement officers 

Also MI is not on the list of states requiring reporting by "other persons" who have knowledge.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/systemwide/laws-policies/statutes/m…

Nonetheless she was told in 1997 and if she had any sense of decency/humanity should've looked further than just dismissing the claim.  Or having the team - including some who had been raped - sign a sympathy card for Nassar after he was publicly accused.  WTF.

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CD420

January 24th, 2018 at 7:54 PM ^

I truly believe at this point that she had no actual idea of the scope of this whole thing back in 2014. If that changes thats a shame but her stepping down is a classy thing to do for MSU and the entire student and alumni population. I also think Hollis should be next!

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UMpak

January 24th, 2018 at 8:20 PM ^

This whole stinking mess is the result of people who knew something but chose not to do everything in their power to make certain they DID know everything that was going on. Not a single lousy one of them did and Simon was the one most in a position of responsibility to find out. There is ZERO class to be found here.

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4EverBlueGirl

January 24th, 2018 at 9:08 PM ^

It's the Michigan State culture. Seriously. They enable their athletes and they do what they can to cover up and protect each other. They think they are invincible. It's been going on for years and it is time to clean house.

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Bubba

January 24th, 2018 at 9:55 PM ^

I'm not sure enabling athletes is what this is about. MSU has a flat out evil administration that is blind to reality. Every school has issues with athletes, and they are usually situational for the response. Gibbons played almost his entire career with his his rape accusations looming. At the end of his career, you knew what his "family issies" were. I wouldn't argue enabling athletes here. I'd argue that the tone deaf MSU brass shit the bed, then when someone tried to clean it up, they spit on the help. This is a black eye that just keeps getting worse and Sparty continues to taunt the bully beating his ass. They're going to get their due.

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snarling wolverine

January 24th, 2018 at 10:29 PM ^

While Hoke's public handling of the Gibbons affair wasn't the best, it's not accurate to say that Gibbons "played almost his entire career with his rape accusations looming."   He was arrested in 2009 but charges were not filed and the case was officially closed.  Four years later, following changes in U-M's policies, the school re-examined the incident and he was expelled.    

 

 

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