Shea Patterson granted permission to explore transfer
Source is from Ole Miss's 247 site, also being reported by ESPN. Both sources saying Michigan is the favorite landing spot, but it's not guaranteed that he transfers.
From what I've seen if Patterson does transfer he would be required to either sit a year or apply for a waiver for immediately eligibility. It looks like the wheels are in motion.
December 2nd, 2017 at 6:56 PM ^
Just my opinion but i doubt any Parents will be telling Jim Harbaugh who will play for Michigan. Also if it was Greg Little would there be people worried about perceptons and hurt feelings. Hell no, why is the QB position different.
The real deal is Michigan putting QB's in the NFL and winning championships. In my opinion those two things create a run away freight train that the rest of the east will not be stopping anytime soon.
Also lost in this whole thing is who is the best judge of QB talent. My guess is one Jim Harbaugh knows what he is looking at, especially when it comes to Quarterbacks. Harbaugh and his staff are the best in the big ten and I allready said I feel great about this program and what they need. Well just like that, here it is.
If Harbaugh and Michigan are pursuing this kid, they know what they are looking at. I believe this has been in the works for some time and is a done deal. Will see.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:45 PM ^
Kizer...
December 2nd, 2017 at 5:15 PM ^
We couldn't afford Patterson when he was being recruited.
December 2nd, 2017 at 6:16 PM ^
Anyone that believes Harbaugh is concerned about hurting guys feeling are nuts. He's an A++ competitor and he has to be burning inside following another loss to OSU. He wants to win more than any of us fans and he knows exactly what it takes at the QB position..so of course he's going after the best talent at the most important position.
Hell this young team with all of its flaws was a Shea Patterson type talent away from being a top-10 team on the verge of a serious run.
December 2nd, 2017 at 3:56 PM ^
Thx for starting this thread. I was getting lost in the other one.
I've been back and forth on this, but how could you NOT add this guy to the team if you can?
December 2nd, 2017 at 3:56 PM ^
in the future. 2018 will not be a great year for Michigan. Use it to give experience to your highly recruited and on board QB's. 2019 may be the NC year.
December 2nd, 2017 at 3:59 PM ^
Congratulations.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:00 PM ^
Yeah we should pass on the most talented QB in the country because it may or may not (probably won't) hurt QB recruiting in the future.
Also why will 2018 not be great? Get the QB situation figured out and you're looking at a surefire playoff contender
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:06 PM ^
I agree Stinger, him turning Michigan into a playoff contender with all of the talent we have coming back next year will kill our recruiting. High profile kids obviously hate playing for winning teams.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:09 PM ^
Take this years team. Add a year of experience. Add a QB that has carved up SEC defenses and you’ve got yourself a playoff team
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:25 PM ^
Add Tarik Black next year whos faster than anybody else on the field with Patterson chucking him the ball, That's the shit dreams are made of.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:30 PM ^
Good call. Forgot about him. Was leading the team in receptions yards and touchdowns before he went down for the year.
December 2nd, 2017 at 5:38 PM ^
What was Miss record this year? Don't forget he had a bad knee injury 2016 and did not play most of the games. Your mortgaging your recruiting future by taking the transfer. Why do you think MIchigan doesn't take community college transfers?
December 2nd, 2017 at 5:44 PM ^
Because community college credits usually don't transfer...
December 2nd, 2017 at 6:47 PM ^
are accepted by the University of Michigan. To say otherwise is wrong.
Regarding next year, I haven't given up on it but anticip[ate a similar season as this year. The scheduled is much more difficult and we still don't have a seasoned QB nor a reliable OL.
December 2nd, 2017 at 7:10 PM ^
The rest of your take on recruiting impact is completely wrong.
December 2nd, 2017 at 5:50 PM ^
Stop while your behind.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:03 PM ^
Michigan maybe has issues at tackle and qb next year. If you add him, the only issue is possibly at tackle and he throws for 300 yards a game. How long are we going to play for the future? He would be eligible in 2018 AND 2019.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:22 PM ^
IF (bigly yuge if) he is eligible to play for an FBS team next year, I would change my "unsure" about bringing him to "100% yes" if he was bringing Greg Little with him. That Tackle spot is so much dicier than our QB play next year. I also don't think we should consider 2019 when evaluating Patterson - barring health or playing time issues he will be going pro after next year.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:04 PM ^
Did you seriously already give up on NEXT season? We haven’t even played in this year’s bowl game yet...
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:21 PM ^
He’s definitely a troll.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:09 PM ^
I'd love to have a problem in recruiting where we might not sign a top QB for 1 year, because we are loaded at the QB position. I'd see that as a good thing.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:13 PM ^
I mean, first of all M has two commits already for 2018. I suppose there is some small chance that one or both of them could decommit based on Patterson that but that seems exceedingly unlikely. Milton is a project recruit all the way and likely expects to spend at least two seasons developing. Doyle comes in with more polish but even he has to know he’ll be behind Peters and McCaffrey and thus a longshot to play as an underclassman. Being behind a third guy for two years doesn’t seem like a big deal.
The 2019 recruits would be true freshmen when Patterson is in his final year of eligibility. So any deterrent effect that Patterson’s presence would have on them is diminished even further. And this is without taking into account the possibility that Patterson goes pro after 2018, or the possibility that Patterson winds up a second- or third-string QB because Peters and/or McCaffrey hold him off.
Also, any negative effect that Patterson’s presence could have on QB recruiting is potentially offset by the positive influence that could happen if Patterson plays well at M, gets drafted, and puts M in the college football playoff.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:19 PM ^
So what if somebody decommits if we get a proven qb in return? There isn't much of an incentive for them to decommit anyways since it's for their 1st and 2nd year that Patterson would be coming.
December 2nd, 2017 at 6:28 PM ^
If this whole Ole Miss issue went down a year earlier and if we had Shea Patterson in 2017.....there is a reasonable chance we'd be playing tonight.
With better QB play we beat MSU and OSU...perhaps even Wisconsin.
December 2nd, 2017 at 3:59 PM ^
My only hesitation is, would there be any implications for M if Patterson is found to have received improper benefits at Ole Miss? I only thing that has supposedly happened with Patterson is that his brother was given a job, which isn’t against the rules and really no different than some things M has already done, but Ole Miss is practically a synonym for cheating these days.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:43 PM ^
I would hope to hell that our compliance office would vet his transfer and remove any doubt.
You can not pretend that he is not a top 5 recruit that somehow wound up at Ole Miss.
There is not exactly a great track record there.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:48 PM ^
No. They wouldn't be responsible for the actions of anohter school. It's not an issue unless they knew of continuing benefits or something along those lines.
December 2nd, 2017 at 5:48 PM ^
Okay, that’s good. And then what about Patterson himself? I’d hate to see him come in and establish himself as the starter, only to then be suspended or disqualified if some report were to surface that he got paid at Ole Miss.
December 2nd, 2017 at 5:58 PM ^
Michigan is not responsible for something that may have happened at Ole Miss. Ole Miss flat out had guys telling on themselves and look how long it took to even investigate. Treadwell and Gas mask dude flat out flaunted there winnings.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:05 PM ^
Holy Hell, this is great news!
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:13 PM ^
Only 2 options happen.
1.He transfers to Michigan. Michigan asks him to be eligible and the NCAA denies it because they hate Harbaugh. He sits out '18 and then is a backup to Peters in '19 & '20. No way he beats out Peters after he's started over a year and played in 3 road games at MSU, ND & OSU.
2.Same as above but worse case scenario happens. He transfers and either McCaffrey, Peters or Milton transfer out. We're now stuck with 2 QB's next year because again the NCAA hates Harbaugh and doesn't grant Shea eligible to play.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:17 PM ^
Ok. Those are clearly the only two options.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:32 PM ^
This is so baffling that I don’t even know where to start
December 2nd, 2017 at 6:01 PM ^
Wait...you know Patterson has started more games than Peters right? And was the top QB in his class right?
December 2nd, 2017 at 6:51 PM ^
Though I think he is better than Peters, he will not make much of a difference compared to Peters or McCaffery. They all will have the same OL.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:12 PM ^
He’s a true Sophomore, so how would it work if he had to sit out a year? Could that be counted as his redshirt year and he would have two years left after he sat out?
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:18 PM ^
He could use the year as a RS. But I think he only comes if he's immediately eligible.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:15 PM ^
If he does come, I doubt all three of him, Peters and McCaffery finish their careers here.
It's cool I guess, but I'd be more excited about quality offensive lineman.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:20 PM ^
Those aren't available often on the transfer market.
December 2nd, 2017 at 5:49 PM ^
True. But Greg Little was a 5-star OT in Patterson's class. If they come as a package deal, and somehow get eligible for next year, then we're sitting pretty and all our ills magically go away!
December 2nd, 2017 at 5:59 PM ^
Either that or JBB becomes an AA LT. Those seem equally likely.
December 2nd, 2017 at 6:35 PM ^
Harbaugh has a history of QBs tranferring out or changing positions. That's going to happen when you recruit the position fearlessly and bring in multiple QBs per class. Harbaugh knows what he's doing.
December 2nd, 2017 at 6:36 PM ^
Harbaugh has a history of QBs tranferring out or changing positions. That's going to happen when you recruit the position fearlessly and bring in multiple QBs per class. Harbaugh knows what he's doing.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:14 PM ^
Like the last podcast said, you can NEVER have too much QB depth.. If Peters, McCaffery and Milton/Doyle are afraid to compete with Patterson (IF he does come) then this isn't the place for them anyway.
For me, it seems to boil down to whether he can play this year. If he can't does he still transfer? My guess is he only comes if he is eligible right away. But yeah, you don't tell a kid this talented he can't come.. Even if he doesn't win the starting job and all he does is provide some solid depth and help Peters/McCaffery raise their game it's a win for Michigan.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:30 PM ^
I agree with this 100%. We could have used another QB this year against OSU. No Peters, no Speight and we had to play a flawless game in order to win because of O'Korn. You can't have enough depth, ask Ohio State when Cardale Jones won them a natty in 2014.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:18 PM ^
I commented earlier today about this topic and would like to revise my position. Get him on board, if he isn’t the starter next year then either Peters or McCaffery will be a beast. Win The Game, the B1G and then the Natty. And no, I don’t use the Oxford comma.
December 2nd, 2017 at 4:55 PM ^
But if you had used the Oxford comma, you could have cut out the word then and it would have still made sense. Also, since you brought it up, you should have put a period after board and started the next sentence with if. Additionally, in that same sentence there should be a comma after year so it's not a run--on sentence with poor flow between separate clauses/ideas.
December 2nd, 2017 at 5:00 PM ^
Well played. Where were you when I was writing my personal statement for med school?
December 2nd, 2017 at 5:19 PM ^
Haha. Nice. That my friend, is a championship level humblebrag. Well done. Hopefully you made it in.