Noon Games Open Thread
Time for the Noon Games. Obviously MSU/OSU and Rutgers/PSU are our focus, but here are all the games on the viewing guide M-Dog made this morning (thanks for doing that!) until we head into the afternoon, when it's time to beat some turtle!
Go Blue and enjoy your Saturday!
Saturday, November 11
MATCHUP | TIME (ET) | NAT TV | |
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#12Michigan State | 12:00 PM | ||
Rutgers | 12:00 PM | ||
#15Oklahoma State | 12:00 PM |
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Connecticut | 12:00 PM |
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#23NC State | 12:00 PM |
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Arkansas | 12:00 PM |
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Duke | 12:00 PM | ||
Texas Tech | 12:00 PM | ||
Louisiana | 12:00 PM |
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Florida | 12:00 PM | ||
Indiana | 12:00 PM | ||
Nebraska | 12:00 PM | ||
#17Virginia Tech | 12:20 PM | ||
Middle Tennessee | 2:00 PM |
November 11th, 2017 at 12:16 PM ^
In this OSU MSU game. It’s been at least a 5 minute break.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:16 PM ^
Who do we want to win the MSU/OSU game?
November 11th, 2017 at 12:17 PM ^
OSU. Thankfully Iowa made this job much more palatable.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:19 PM ^
Osu to win to keep our title hopes alive... and it will happen Osu gonna blow em out. Weber just made Swiss cheese of their d already
November 11th, 2017 at 12:19 PM ^
We need OSU to win. MSU and PSU both won the head to head tie breaker over us so if OSU wins it gets us one step closer to retaking the lead in the division.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:51 PM ^
The refs
November 11th, 2017 at 12:17 PM ^
OSU's pass rush has sacked Lewerke twice, but OTOH he converted a 3rd and 18 on his feet in two plays. He'll probably need to pull off a monster game to win.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:18 PM ^
Knows that Dobbins exists. That bodes well for them.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:19 PM ^
Do we have to root for osu?
And can anyone break down a scenario for us to reach the B1G Title game?
It is still possible?
November 11th, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^
MSU loses to osu. Then MSU and PSU have to drop 1 of their final 2 games. We win out, we go.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:21 PM ^
It’s possible, but pretty frickin’ improbable.
We have to win out, PSU has to lose one more time, and MSU has to lose twice. MSU will probably lose today, but their last two games are cakewalks. So don’t count on us being in Indy in December.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:25 PM ^
Ok thanks - so, given that it's pretty frickin improbable, I refer back to question 1:
Do we HAVE to root for osu today?
Not like the alternative is palatable either!
November 11th, 2017 at 12:27 PM ^
if you don't your fandom card gets revoked.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:46 PM ^
Gol dang it, I'm older than a lot of you.
I was alive when Woody said he went for 2 because they don't let you go for 3;
I was in the Big House for the upset in '69;
I viscerally remember that day the Big 10 voted osu into the Rose over us.
I'm just not sure I can root for them with such slim possible benefits.
Don't look like it's gonna matter much whether I root for them or not at this point tho...
Ouch sparty ;-)
November 11th, 2017 at 12:51 PM ^
will pay off as you pull for ohio. just this once. now get out there and be a leader for the younger fans!
November 11th, 2017 at 12:51 PM ^
It is mathetically possibe but all but improbable that UM goes to the Big Ten Championship. That being said, a loss to MSU will put Columbus into such a tissy, I will love the entertainment. As i've said before, Urban is not emotionally equiped to have a down season. I look forward to OSU losing to MSU then UM and watching Columbus implode.
November 11th, 2017 at 3:37 PM ^
Welp... hope you aren't letting sparty getting waxed ruin your weekend!
November 11th, 2017 at 1:35 PM ^
First post. Let me ask why MSU needs a second loss for us to win the division. I’m not saying the following analysis is correct but I’d be curious to hear what’s wrong with it.
Suppose we win out (big if), OSU beats MSU (looking highly likely), and Penn State loses one of its remaining games (very unlikely but let’s assume).
Penn State would have three conference losses and be out of the picture. We would’ve tied with OSU and MSU with two conference losses each. The rule says that “[i]f three teams are tied,” you start by looking at “[t]he records of the three tied teams,” not in the division (a later step), but rather presumably as a whole.
This knocks out MSU thanks to their out of conference loss to Notre Dame. The rule goes on to say that “[i]f only two teams remain tied after any step,” which would be the case here after you filter for total record, “the winner of the game between the two tied teams” wins the division, which on our assumptions would be us, since we have to beat Ohio State to get to this scenario.
Again, I’m happy to be corrected on this. Just curious.
Go Blue
November 11th, 2017 at 1:56 PM ^
I believe it's the 'records of the three tied teams" within the conference. Out of conference games do not count in this step.
November 11th, 2017 at 2:00 PM ^
because they have the same conference record.
November 11th, 2017 at 1:59 PM ^
MSU does not need to lose twice. It wouldn't even come down to a tie between two teams if involved in a 3-way tie with MSU and OSU. Both OSU and MSU would be out based on total record (both teams have a non-conference loss). Of course, the problem is that PSU won't lose again (and Michigan will)
November 11th, 2017 at 2:11 PM ^
No idea where you got those rules, out of conference games have absolutely no bearing on tiebreakers AFAIK.
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/archive/081011aaa.html
First thing is conference record obviously.
Then the first tiebreaker is the record among teams that are tied. (If we beat ohio then all three would be 1-1)
Next tiebreaker is division record, and since we lost to penn state we are in big trouble there with two east division losses while ohio and msu would have only one each. (we lost to msu and penn state while ohio and msu would have only lost to us and ohio respectively)
And the rest is still highly up in the air depending how 4th 5th place etc fall out.
November 11th, 2017 at 2:18 PM ^
Step one is: “The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.” I read this as saying you have to compare the teams’ records. Are you reading it as meaning that you look at only head-to-head games? If that were the intended meaning it seems to me they would have inverted the phrases and said “The records of the three tied teams against each other will be compared.” Maybe it’s ambiguous and I don’t know how it has been applied in the past, but I think the head-to-head reading is more strained.
November 11th, 2017 at 2:41 PM ^
but step 7 is "The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative." This seems to be where overall record comes in. It also makes sense that they'd first consider head-to-head records amongst the tied teams.
November 11th, 2017 at 3:06 PM ^
That’s a fair point.
November 11th, 2017 at 3:16 PM ^
It's 100% the records of the teams against each other. Maybe it is worded a little awkwardly but I'm 100% certain that's how the tiebreaker works and has worked in the past regardless of the wording of the actual regulation.
November 11th, 2017 at 2:22 PM ^
You are right. He (and I) misinterpreted the first tiebreaker. The wording is not entirely clear, but your interpretation makes more sense.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:22 PM ^
Ain't gonna happen. we lose all tie breakers. when in doubt, I root against our true enemy the bucks
November 11th, 2017 at 12:47 PM ^
Our true rival at the moment is MSU whether you like or not. It can only be a rivalry again with OSU once we actually win a game in the series again. I am rooting for OSU to beat MSU today. I would rather see PSU in Indy and have them lose than for MSU or OSU to even get there.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:53 PM ^
is our horrizon. UM still leads the series. UM lost in double overtime at the horse shoe last year.
November 11th, 2017 at 3:41 PM ^
And didn't REALLY lose at all...
November 11th, 2017 at 2:15 PM ^
That's not how rivalries work. Michigan State, being fellow Michiganders are our brother, even little brother if you will. Would you ever root against your little brother against some douchebag from ohio???
ohio is the ultimate enemy, it goes back to the Toledo War. Yes people took up arms and killed each other fighting over Toledo. That's why ohio will always be enemy number one. It doesn't matter if we lost 100 games in a row, the end all be all of Michigan football is to win the Game. I honestly don't even care that much about a national title, I'd much rather go 1-11 beating ohio than win the national championship with one loss to ohio. Every single year, I would sign that deal and lock it in for the next century if I could.
November 11th, 2017 at 2:01 PM ^
Tough call but at kickoff I found myself rooting for Ohio. Guess my hate for Sparty transcends all. Can’t stand even looking at Douchetonio. A face meant to punch.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:22 PM ^
MSU has to lose twice, PSU has to lose once, and we have to win out. Given that the next two games for Sparty are Rutgers and Maryland, we almost definitely need an OSU win today.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:19 PM ^
At least on this first series, Ohio State has elected to call from the "Plays That Work" spreadsheet, which is quite the change from last week.
...and just there, Mike Weber finds a gigantic hole in the MSU backfield and off he goes.
November 11th, 2017 at 1:42 PM ^
Dantonio is the best coach in the conference.
November 11th, 2017 at 2:05 PM ^
maybe the best coach when the weather sucks
November 11th, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^
In the lack of meteors so far in this game.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^
And will be exposed today
November 11th, 2017 at 12:22 PM ^
be nice if OSU has to use their "beast mode" points on this game, instead of banking them for two weeks.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^
Minny-Nebraska is off to a nice start. 7-7 already.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^
Rutgers is totally going to hold on to this 3-0 lead for the rest of the game.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:24 PM ^
.... and then totally do the same thing against sparty!!
November 11th, 2017 at 12:23 PM ^
Rutgers recovered the onside kick to start the game...that’s how they got the FG.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:24 PM ^
disliked each other. You'd think with a few high stakes games between them over the last few years, there'd be an element of rivalry there (like say between Michigan and PSU) ..but it always feels like they handle losing to each other pretty well ("At least it's not against Michigan").
November 11th, 2017 at 3:01 PM ^
I actually think they DO hate each other now. They see themselves as the real rivalry, unfortunately. Maybe they do respect each other, but I have noticed an increase in hostility lately
November 11th, 2017 at 12:24 PM ^
MSU may finally be in the position we usually are with OSU, with OSU playing like shit the week before against an inferior team (lately MSU), only to turn it on the next week against us and realize they have a great running game.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:24 PM ^
so you know, miracles happen.
November 11th, 2017 at 12:25 PM ^
Penn State's offensive line is approaching tire fire territory.