This Week’s Obsession: Can We Keep It? Comment Count

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Nick’s Question:

How sustainable is the run game?

The Mathlete: My first thought is who else is running the ball like Michigan has lately and how have they fared against the best defenses. Because that is really the question. There is little doubt that the run game will be sustainable against Maryland. Wisconsin and Ohio State are different questions. So far this year Michigan has 3 games of 200 yards and 6 YPC with sacks and garbage time excluded against Power 5 opponents. Five other teams can say that. Arizona, Notre Dame and Louisville have elite running QBs and aren't really considerations. Oregon and Oklahoma both utilize the QB in running game effectively, so maybe not them. Right there, Michigan is doing something that isn't easy to do without a QB involved running game.

Last year Georgia and Stanford each accomplished the threshold four times and are probably our best comparisons. Against playoff bound Washington, Stanford was completely shut down for <1 yard a carry and McCaffrey didn't crack 50 yards for the day. Georgia barely cracked 1 yard a carry against Florida and survived against Auburn with 3.1 YPC.

This isn't by any means an exhaustive or complete list, but the road is uphill for a rushing attack without a quarterback run threat against top level defenses. (edited)

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David: This answer is time dependent. There are many variables.

This week: Very. Maryland's defense is not great. Looking at their advanced stats, they're 101st in total defense, 59th in rush defense, 70th in Adj Line Yards, but 22nd in Rush IsoPP. So, they'll give some stuff up on the ground, but not in huge chunks. I'm guessing this weekend's game will look rather similar to the previous couple of weeks. Hopefully with a little more passing, though?

Rest of season: Ummmm...I think it could still be okay. Michigan moved the ball decently well against MSU and PSU -at least at times- and both of those teams have pretty good rushing defenses. Both Wisconsin and OSU are similar to Penn State and Michigan State, respectively, in their rush defense numbers. The key for these couple of games will be the development of any semblance of a passing game. I do not believe Michigan will need 300+ yards in the air...but they will need a couple of deep shots completed. Or at least a couple of preferable matchups exploited. That has not happened, yet, but we do not know for certain that it cannot, as the Peters passing game has not been revealed in much detail. I think there is still some potential there for November...if pass pro is not complete butt.

Next Season: Definitely. The key for me all season has been the development of the guards. Both Bredeson and Onwenu have grown a lot and gotten better, Onwenu especially. They should be the cornerstones of the line, next season. We're presuming that Ruiz will most likely take over at the center position and he has also looked formidable in run blocking. Michigan will need Newsome to come back from his horrific injury, and they will need to hit early on one of their red-shirting tackle prospects, as well. If those things happen, the run game could be sky high, next season. If they're still searching for a RT and Newsome doesn't make it back or isn't close to what he looked like he was becoming in 2016, expectations could drop a bit. On the plus side, as well, TE blocking from McKeon and Wheatley has also been trending to the good and I would believe that will continue given each's age.

Beyond: I am still in the Very Much Yes camp. Track records speak for themselves, man.

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Ace: It depends on what you’re hoping to sustain. The blocking is visibly improving on a weekly basis, and that continued against Minnesota despite a true freshman taking the place of one of the line’s two best run-blockers. The running backs have shown that, when given the space to make plays, they can indeed make plays. That all looks quite sustainable. Michigan doesn’t lack for physical talent on the line or in the backfield; it’s just taken time for them to download the system to the point that one or two players biffing a play doesn’t bring the whole thing down.

The question is more about the passing game, really. If Michigan wants to succeed against Wisconsin and Ohio State, they going to need the opposing secondaries to respect the pass. Before Brandon Peters replaced John O’Korn, a lot of the improvement in the run game was masked by opposing safeties going hell-for-leather after lining up eight yards off the ball; even perfectly blocked plays can only go so far under those circumstances. Peters has shown the competence required to get the Minnesotas of the world to back off a bit. He’ll probably have to show a little more or the Badgers are going to load up against the run and force a redshirt freshman to beat them behind a shaky pass-blocking line.

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Seth: I'm reopening a chart I made last year on Wisconsin's rushing offense and updating it with 2017 data. The Badgers are a year ahead of Michigan in the power running game rebuilding process. Here’s their rushing performances (by sack-adjusted YPC) since 2016 plotted against the opposing rush defenses (by run defense S&P+):

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On the macro good run defenses are better against the run (duh!) but there's some HUGE game-to-game variation, enough where you might start to think there’s something to the old adage that an offense that can block power well can get you 3 yards consistently. When you squint at that chart and apply what you know about those teams the thing that stands out is the 3- or 4-YPC line were statistically good pass defenses. You’ve got LSU, Iowa, MSU, Michigan, a couple of Northwesterns, and then some bad defenses who played aggressively (in those games at least—looking at you, Illinois). The teams that liked to keep a safety back were a yard per carry higher.
When you run that against the overall defensive S&P the R-squared almost doubles:

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It's not scientific but two things are apparent: 1) Single-game performances can vary dramatically, and 2) Run defense isn't necessarily more meaningful than simple defense.

So I agree with Ace: running the ball isn't just about not screwing up your running plays, but also having the ability to keep the secondary the hell away from them. Against Penn State Michigan's blocking was fine, but the safeties were able to play so aggressively that all the runs making it through the front seven were meeting defensive backs at 2-3 yards. Minnesota and Rutgers can't trust their safeties to play that way--both because Peters and because they don't have good safeties—and Michigan ran all over them.

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Adam: I think it's moderately sustainable. As mentioned above, probably not going to have much of an issue running the ball on Maryland. Yeah, they have a pretty good linebacker in Jermaine Carter and corner Antoine Brooks has some gaudy run stop numbers, but a corner with gaudy run stop numbers makes their run defense look that much more pliable. 

This comes down to what they can do against Wisconsin and Ohio State's defenses, which are generally better on a unit-by-unit basis than the ones they've been running roughshod over. Wisconsin's linebackers and secondary are going to pose a challenge even if the line and fullbacks continue to improve their blocking precision. Ohio State's run defense gave up 243 yards on 38 carries against Iowa, but that was behind a 7.6 YPA, 32 throw performance from Nate Stanley. If the sustained rushing success comes down to how they do against Wisconsin and Ohio State, I agree with Ace: it's really a matter of how the passing game performs. Peoples-Jones continuing to build on the progress he's made is big, as is the reliability of McKeon and Gentry. I think what looms largest with regard to the passing game is the injury to Grant Perry.

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Brian: Fairly sustainable. Michigan isn't going to run for ten yards a carry the rest of the season, but they've been an arrow pointed straight up this year since they gradually de-emphasized inside zone and inserted Juwann Bushell-Beatty at right tackle. Michigan moves people, and they've become extremely proficient at power football. UFR grading has spat out good to very good blocking numbers for a month now; this isn't a flash in the pan.

It's only "fairly" sustainable because of the passing game. Michigan gave up three sacks on just 16 dropbacks in the Minnesota game and while Brandon Peters looks like an improvement over John O'Korn the training wheels are very much on. Better defenses will make Michigan pay for that with safeties at eight yards; Rutgers was content to bend and Minnesota's corners so bad that it didn't matter. Against Wisconsin and Ohio State, it will matter.

Comments

LKLIII

November 8th, 2017 at 5:00 PM ^

True, but I think the hope may be that JBB upgrades his pass protection from "terrible" to "meh." Or that Filagia takes a big step forward and offers "good" at both but not outstanding on either.

Mgoczar

November 8th, 2017 at 1:44 PM ^

Move right screen to the left to TE - ala Purdue lone touchdown drive against it/ Peters Minnesotta TD throw to Mckeon - x 3 for easy 7 points? Seemed to work against us. 

 

1VaBlue1

November 8th, 2017 at 1:52 PM ^

If Peters can hit one or two down the middle on PA, the safties will back off.  The TE's running that seam route seems like a good plan - just get the ball out quick!  I don't want to see him get Ruiz'd again...

1VaBlue1

November 8th, 2017 at 2:29 PM ^

Yes.

Now lets see what else we can take too seriously...  Hmmm...  Ohh!  I know:

MGoUser: 'Peters got murdered by a free rusher!"

Ron Utah: 'Murdered?  Are you serious?  He's alive and well, he wasn't murdered!  Murder is when people die, you know?  He didn't die.'

 

Can we just lighten up a little, here?

(And because it's necessary: /s)

Kevin14

November 8th, 2017 at 2:20 PM ^

I will say "Michigan moved the ball decently well against MSU and PSU -at least at times" is a stretch, even with the disclaimer.  To say we moved the ball decently well against MSU is one of the most optimistic takes I've ever encountered.  

stephenrjking

November 8th, 2017 at 2:43 PM ^

Let's be fair: Our offense was a disaster against MSU, but the running game itself wasn't the problem. In fact, the ability of the running game to gain yardage at times (especially with Karan Higdon) made the continual decisions to pass more mystifying to many here. 

BoCanHam15

November 9th, 2017 at 8:36 AM ^

Ok. Our backup started his first game against a good to getting better defense. He couldn’t even throw the ball away. If he even learned how to throw the ball away, we’re at least 8-1 right now. Okorn lost that game by simply bone head plays, over and over and over again. We lost by 4 with multiple turnovers in a monsoon. Our running game was NOT, the problem!

Ron Utah

November 8th, 2017 at 2:47 PM ^

Actually, our running game was doing pretty well against MSU.  Penalties, picks, and fumbles were our downfall.  Higdon averaged 5.42 YPC on 12 carries.  Take out O'Korns runs and sacks, and we averaged 3.6 YPC.  Not great, but not bad either, and there were a few drives where we were moving the ball very effectively only to get derailed by turnovers and penalties.

 

Reader71

November 8th, 2017 at 2:27 PM ^

No defense worth anything will back it’s safeties off until Peters beats them for a second time in the game. We can pass for 300 against Maryland and UW and Ohio will still load the box. So, beating them will very likely take a few long passes in those games. That said, I still think we can run the ball well on them, even with packed boxes. We can block, finally! So it’s going to be on the RBs to make unaccounted for safeties miss from 0-5 years from the line instead of in the 5-15 yard range. This will lead to fewer long runs, but I still think we can move the chains with some regularity.

Reader71

November 8th, 2017 at 4:22 PM ^

They have, but football is still 11 on 11, and if you can get the defense blocked, every run play ends up RB v S. For the first time in a while, I like our chances of getting into that situation with some regularity, and I also like our RBs chances when in that situation. We’re gonna have to hit some passes to win, but I think our running game and defense will keep us close enough where we only need a few of those passes, not a whole game’s worth. That’s gotta be our hope, anyways.

murf

November 8th, 2017 at 2:47 PM ^

I made the yearly pilgrimage from Cali to attend the Minnesota game. I think Peters has the ability to succeed under Harbaugh but thus far, with admittedly few data points, I have not been overly impressed with his throws.

He shows the obvious ability to put touch on the ball. Nearly every throw he made/attempted against Minny the ball was either low or behind. Even on the McEown touchdown, which was well executed, the ball was caught in the gut. There were a couple passes with zip on them but he seems to be taking either too much off the ball or not leading enough on the majority of his throws. You don't necessarilly get that watching YouTube highlights.

I think it will get better and he so far seems at least as good an option as Speight and way ahead of OKorn. Not sure we need a lot of deep balls but moving the receptions out to the 8-12 yard range are going to be important going forward.

 

Necessary caveat; I'm a hockey guy so take my observations with a grain of salt.

 

In Harbaugh QB whispering we trust.

outsidethebox

November 8th, 2017 at 5:10 PM ^

As Harbaugh noted, Michigan did not pass enough against Minnesota to keep Peters in any kind of a rhythm-or the throwng motion warmed up and in tune. Note that on the first series when he would have been nicely warmed up he was 3 for 3 and looked decent. Once a game gets underway the QB's between series time seldom includes much throwing. 

Several things: They really need to throw 20-25 times-for the above reason alone. Secondly, as was clearly demonstrated in the Minnesota game, stacking the box holds great risks for a defense-even in the running game. Once Higdon and Evans broke through to the second level there was nobody there...and they were gone. Sure, OSU and Wisconsin are much better however the same risks remain. That being said, scheming and executing to exploit the holes here requires good execution by mutiple position groups...which is why such a defensive strategy is so often successful. From a coaches perspective this is an exciting challenge-you just hope your players are up to the task and perform in the split-second. 

Mongo

November 8th, 2017 at 2:51 PM ^

play-action pass will need to be succesful in order to back off the DBs from the box against those two teams.  I really liked the fake-pitch and the throw-back TE screen against the Gophers. It seems like Pep is opening up some of the old passing playbook to go along with success in running power. The last two weekends looked like a return to Michigan football.  Drevno down on the field coaching power and Pep in the box picking well-timed play-action passes (some with a twist).  That power identity has a chance against both UW and OSU, but we will need an extremley high level of both play-calling and execution ... AND a defense playing with its hair on fire.    Go Blue !

BBQJeff

November 8th, 2017 at 4:25 PM ^

I think we'll see a bit more dropbacks than the 16 we saw against Minnesota, but not much more than that.  I'd be surprised to see more than 20 passing attempts.  I certainly think that will be just fine against Maryland, but we have to pass for more than 56 yards in our final two games if this team is expecting to even have a fighting chance.

Just like I said after Purdue:  Speight beat out O'Korn for a reason.   Peters was 3rd on the depth chart for a reason.   My hope is that reason was that Harbaugh wanted an experienced play-caller under center with much of the rest of the offense being so young and inexperienced.   

Peters has looked calm and composed, which is good, but he hasn't been asked to do all that much.  

Michigan needs to get the passing game going a bit against Maryland not just for Peters, but for the pass protection, receivers, everybody.  A 1-dimensional offense isn't going to get it done against our final 2 opponents and the more real-game reps we can get against Maryland, the better off our passing game, and the offense as a whole, will be.  

M-Dog

November 8th, 2017 at 9:22 PM ^

So, here's an interesting question that somebody out there may actually know:  How well does our running game do against our own defense?

The coaches don't have to guess how well the running game will fare agaisnt elite run defenses . . . they already know. 

We have one of the best run defenses in the country.

I wonder how well our running game does when it goes up against it in practice?

I'd love to be a fly on that wall.