It is still the OL
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:47 AM ^
for your hot take.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:06 AM ^
Not every take is a hot one. “This OLine is bad” is about the most tepid take you could make right now.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:48 PM ^
is underperforming, but so is our QB play.
October 22nd, 2017 at 5:53 PM ^
7 sacks yesterday and could have been 15.
Speights regression started after losing Newsome.
Yesterday Okorn avoids sack rolls out hits Crawford down to psu's 49 35 seconds till half, holding on play. 2 weeks earlier Okorn avoids sack, rolls out n hits Crawford for a huge Td . Flag-holding.
3 weeks ago Speight gets hit by 2 unblocked Boilers. 3 cracked vertabrae its still the Qb's.
STFU.
October 22nd, 2017 at 7:45 PM ^
until the OL is functional, the offense WON'T be.
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:50 AM ^
Do our offensive linemen even lift? They look physically weak and less powerful than defensive linemen of good teams. They aren't the maulers that Stanford had under Harbaugh.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:13 AM ^
In an article about Stanford's O-line from a few years ago, it covered how one of the best players on that line was barely able to bench press his own body weight. Strength helps but it's not the determining factor in a successful offensive lineman.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:44 PM ^
Let's go the MSU route and get a good regimen going
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:52 AM ^
But not an epiphany... we knew what the OL was this year
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:52 AM ^
it's Pep, Drevno, Jaybaugh as RB coach, lack of a legit WR coach, young WRs, OL, OL recruiting, two OC's for some reason, no college OC, bad playcalling, bad luck, refs not calling holding EVER, bad QB play, an NFL complicated offense for no reason, multiple OL schemes in direct conflict,...............did I miss anything?
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:57 AM ^
Neptune was in opposition in Aquarius...just sayin'
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:01 AM ^
Jaybaugh is a winner
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:29 AM ^
I don't know, if his dad wasn't a football player dude would be working at Staples. Jay needs to spread his wings and get some experience on another staff.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^
It's amazing how much of this board turns into total pricks when the team isn't playing well. Like normal human decency isn't required when your team isn't undefeated.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:43 PM ^
is it different on other boards?
October 22nd, 2017 at 2:12 PM ^
on RCMB and 11 Warrioes but they are winning
October 22nd, 2017 at 3:56 PM ^
Win or lose the RCMB is the word board in the history of boards. It's amazing so many rednecks have internet.
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:32 AM ^
Athletic shoes with dress clothes? Nah.
October 22nd, 2017 at 3:52 PM ^
Hurr durr he forks hot babes like a rill man and ahm a real big man toooo
October 22nd, 2017 at 3:55 PM ^
your relative success with the fairer sex is indicative of being a "real" man.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:02 AM ^
Didn't adjust and move McCray. It happened, will probably be fixed, the OL, not sure when. When these potential grad transfers came and went it was disappointing we all knew it would be the weak spot.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:03 AM ^
Should actually have played as a RB. But what do I know.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:03 AM ^
I agree with all that you cited. Now, ask yourself who is responsible for all of the above - who is the CEO? That's what you missed.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:10 AM ^
a fact you are conveniently leave out.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:40 PM ^
A CEO that is also great at recruiting, QB coaching, and hired a great defensive coordinator.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:40 PM ^
Do you honestly want to fire Harbaugh? C'mon man.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:09 AM ^
They won 20 games.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:38 PM ^
And a senior laden team hid the underperformance of the offensive coaching/scheme somewhat. It's not like they had a great offense in those years, especially against teams with a pulse. But fine, take it off the list. I want at least ONE good college OC. That's all.
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:53 AM ^
The OL just does not look the part. They got some big bodies in the '17 class. What bothers me the most about this whole situation was the '16 class. I know Devery was a late decommit but there should have been 8ish OL in that class as opposed to 3.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:44 PM ^
would our RB's even find the hole made by a better OL?
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:57 AM ^
If you go back to the 2013 class, guys who royal all be 5th year seniors this year you see Patrick Kugler, Kyle Bosch, Dave Dawson, Chris Fox, Logan Tyler-Tillman, and Dan Samuelson. Only Kugler is still on the roster, and based on his profile he should have been more than a 1 year default starter. That’s missed on all 6. 0 for 6.
In 2014 Michigan only took Cole and JBB. Cole had his redshirt burned and is playing out of position. And JBB is below average. That’s 1-1 on hit/miss.
In 2015, your 3 year players; Michigan took Grant Newsome, Jon Runyan Jr, and Nolan Ulizio. Newsome had a devastating injury last year. Runyan is the 6th man on an awful line. And Ulizio is terrible. For this team, that is 0-3.
1-11 does not an OLine make. It’s a huge recruiting hole. Now add in the fact that Drevno can’t close with Devery Hamilton and Isaiah Wilson. Or lure an Alex Leatherwood. And you have a disaster. Then they left Swenson in the class too long and it hurt other recruiting efforts.
The Line problems come down to Hoke and Drevno. It’s bad.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:08 AM ^
The best thing about that 2014 class was the two guys you mentioned were just piggybacking off from studs we wanted from their high schools. JBB is from Paramus, probably buddies with Jabril and Mason Cole signed up when we were in the running for George Campbell.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:36 AM ^
Incorrect. Cole was a top 150 (maybe top 100 even?) recruit. JBB was extremely raw but had some potential and also decently rated on some sites. Both had profiles that would fall in range of a typical Michigan recruit.
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:24 AM ^
I respectfully disagree.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:31 AM ^
That 2013 class is summed up like this: What could have been! If things would have panned out, we're looking at an O-line of most likely of Kugler, Fox, Bosch, LTT, and Cole this year.
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:05 AM ^
Good point. It would make me very happy to see ya have 3-4 o line recruits per home game and pursue them relentlessly. Taking time and trusting the process only works if you continuously bring in talent. Add in that we are in a dog fight to hold onto Ekiyor erodes my optimism even more.
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:05 AM ^
Good point. It would make me very happy to see us have 3-4 o line recruits per home game and pursue them relentlessly. Taking time and trusting the process only works if you continuously bring in talent. Add in that we are in a dog fight to hold onto Ekiyor erodes my optimism even more.
October 22nd, 2017 at 2:08 PM ^
I wholehearted agree and you laid out the argument well. Here's another way to summarize the o-line recruiting: *wet fart noise*. Hear me out. Some fart noises are big (like the class of 2013), some are small (like the class of 2014) and just like a wet fart, whomever sits in the seat next will blame the person who occupied it before them and claim it will take years to clean up.
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:57 AM ^
Since the PSU game last year - UM is 6-5
all 5 losses have been to teams with .500 or better winning %
Harbaugh is becoming a laughing stock of the media and UM the butt of jokes ....again ...sadly
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:37 AM ^
Try to not let it hurt your feelings
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:59 AM ^
I watch ND's offensive line, and I cry inside.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:02 AM ^
Great post. Just remember not to compare Harbaugh’s third year to anyone else’s. It’s also important to point out that what Harbaugh walked into was MUCH, MUCH worse than what PSU and Franklin were still dealing with at this point last year.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:05 AM ^
which minimizes OL issues.
Your analysis and understanding of football. It is not good.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:09 AM ^
I understand football very well, good sir. I’m just mad at all who keep telling me to wait, wait, wait for something that will surely arrive in the future when other programs have had it already happen by now, relatively speaking.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:29 AM ^
you would know that not every elite program develops at the same rate. It took Bobby Bowden a decade to build FSU into a superpower. It took Swinney nearly that long with Clemson.
For Saban and Meyer it did not.
Secondly, I don’t think you or any other inpatient fan understands how bad the OL and QB situations were when Hoke left. JH’s initial OL class did not help either. QB development can sometimes take awhile to happen.
Dantonio did not get his first top shelf QB until 2010 his first fourth season.
This was always a rebuild season. Anyone who looked at what UM lost and what they were bringing back could see that. Your dissatisfaction stems from an irrational belief that UM should be better than what they actually are.
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:07 AM ^
Sorry, but to consider this program “elite” is just simply not true. We can’t live off success from the WW1 era. 1 championship in 70 years looks more like a flash in the pan at this point.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:45 PM ^
Right where L-Loyd left the program in 2007. Usually beating the teams with less talent and losing to the ones with equal or better talent.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:46 PM ^
ahh WW1..... the Wonder Woman years
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:22 AM ^
knowing you have a substandard O line ought to lead a coach to modify their philosophy, no? Our modification was to go all-in on a complex pro scheme wherein pass plays take forever to develop which only serves to further expose our poor O line.