Snowflakes Thread: Offense Vs. Cincinnati

Submitted by LSAClassOf2000 on September 9th, 2017 at 3:41 PM

This will be the snowflake thread for the thoughts on our offense in the game versus Cincinnati.



September 9th, 2017 at 5:05 PM ^

Man, that offense was ugly to watch.  I'd love to bench Speight, but are the options behind him better?  O'Korn?  Peters?...I honestly don't know because I haven't seen him play much. 

Either way, Speight can NOT continue to play like shit and expect to beat the good teams on our schedule.  

The O-line also needs to block much better and establish a more consistent run game so that they can put games away in the 4th quarter.  That was painful to watch. 


September 9th, 2017 at 5:19 PM ^

Young team, not surprising we played a total shit game. This is why people talked about replacing all these players. The more shoes to fill, the greater the chances of a failure to replace effectively. Anyway, whatever. People will probably overreact a bit negative like they did on the positive side after Florida. It's one game. We're still headed towards ~10-3. And maybe no better anytime soon. 

JWG Wolverine

September 9th, 2017 at 5:20 PM ^

Overall, this was a very rough day to say the least, and most of the reasons behind it was the offense.

Wilton Speight looked horrible with all those high throws and inability to handle the ball as discussed thoroughly, but another thing I noticed even more today was the laziness on the details, the play-action fakes were more than obvious (RB wasn't even close to the fake handoff), the real handoffs were lazy from Speight (resulting in that bad fumble). Although I am beyond disapointed with Speight, he is still our starter as I have stated, I don't think O'Korn (let alone Peters) will be any more comfortable. However, the meritocracy continues in practice, and if anything happens, I'll take JH's word for it.

The offensive line is still a lingering problem, one that will probably linger all year. It's just simply not that good, and while coaching this week can fix some of Speight's woes, they can't really improve the o-line. It's not that it's bad, but more that it's weak.

Ty Isaac is clearly our starting RB no doubt about it. Chris Evans has obviously got incredible speed but he needs to work on breaking tackles because he did not break a single one.

One thing that still I'm wondering about is the lack of McDoom jet sweeps, what is up with that?


September 9th, 2017 at 5:19 PM ^

I feel like I went to a nice restaurant. Everything was prepared beautifully and tasted good. The service was fine.

Yet somehow something wasn't quite right. Maybe it was a baby crying at a nearby table, or a noisy kitchen staff or I didn't choose the right entree. I don't know.

I hope I don't come back to this restaurant in November.


September 9th, 2017 at 8:26 PM ^

This is probably the best analogy I've seen. It wasn't that they were downright bad, it was all the little things. A few overthrows by Speight. A few missed assignments by the OL. Some curious play calls.

I think they probably were sleepwalking through a solid portion of this game which shouldn't happen but when you have a young team it can. The playcalling, though, is on the coaches who should be awake and prepared. I haven't gotten the sense that they can RPS an opponent to death.


September 9th, 2017 at 5:27 PM ^

Harbaugh has had two spring practices, two fall practices, and one full season to coach up Wilton.  The current product is not very good, despite all of this coaching.  And if your argument is that Wilton is the best we've got, that limitation is on Harbaugh as well, as he's had two years to find a better QB candidate.


September 9th, 2017 at 6:08 PM ^

I appreciate and will continue to root for Wilton to have a great year.  Seems like a great kid.  However, this team will only go as far as he can take us.  The box score stats don't look bad, but there is more to it than that.  The continual drive killing plays is what kills us.  Speight continues to overthrow open receivers, fumble the ball, struggle with clean handoffs,


From watching him throw, it looks like he is aiming the ball instead of throwing it.  I think he is truly afraid to make a mistake, which makes him make more mistakes.  I believe he reads the defense well,  but a slow release wrecks his timing of getting it to the receiver while they are still open.  Speight will be fine if he ever gets the confidence and plays without fear.  Hopefullly that happens sooner than later.




September 9th, 2017 at 6:10 PM ^

Offense not inspiring.

  • I am most concerned about the OL. And mostly about the right side. I'm wondering how much better they are going to get.
  • I think Speight is still sailing too many throws. Although, I trust Harbaugh in not giving the keys to O'Korn or Peters.
  • Did any RB besides Ty do anything? I'll have to look up the yardage totals, but I don't think it was very pretty for anyone else. Again, not inspired.
  • Perry seemed decent, and I think he got robbed on the one overturned pass. But the rest of the WR? Meh.
  • Don't know what to think with TE group. They weren't terrible. But did they help protect Speight? Were they consistently open? Dunno.


September 9th, 2017 at 6:33 PM ^

Ball to our TE's more. Also, keep throwing towards grant Perry. We need more shallow crosses or something, get the ball to our athletic WR's and TE's. It allows them to use their speed. This will help speight as well as oline.


September 9th, 2017 at 7:48 PM ^

The oline, Turnovers, Speight over throws. Today was a whole team destruction. Evevryone passes the blame on Speight but the oline was less then good today. penalties and turnovers are killer. Need to be better as a team.


September 9th, 2017 at 7:57 PM ^

His fumbles are high school like. Throws were to the wrong spot and seemed like Cinci had a ton of first contact tackles on us. This kind of play gets you 3 or 4 " L " in the big ten. Hope it gets better.


September 9th, 2017 at 8:03 PM ^

I don't think anyone, coaches included, took this game seriously. 

Speight's not anywhere near the quality of the rest of his teammates.

Could he improve? Sure. But other than Harbaugh's reputation, I see no reason to believe that Speigh will improve. In fact the data point the other way right now.

Onwenu looked like the weakest OL link out there on my first watch. He picked up one stunt well in the early second quarter, and then he seemed to fall asleep and have a very confusing dream that involved flailing at ethereal pinatas.

I'm not decrementing my season expectations, but that's only because I already did that last week after Speight did what he did vs Fla. Seems clear to me that if Speight doesn't improve we're not going to have the type of season we were hoping for.


September 9th, 2017 at 10:43 PM ^

But I have faith in our staff and young team that greatness can still be
achieved. It's only 2 games in, with a young team and somewhat of a staff mixup.

But shit will be addressed and I am hopeful going forward. It's not like we played 2 FCS teams and completely shit the bed. We didn't lose to Utah and have no major injuries. I am guilty of being all too optimistic about this year and smashing teams early. We don't have a cupcake non-conference schedule! A (weak) SEC division champ then 2 FBS schools. And next year we renew the Notre Dame rivalry. We have to be on some bigger picture shit. It's not like Austin Peay or Toledo played us to the wire.

Adjustments will be made and the ship will be steered. Speight may still be shook from his injury last season and the battle to keep his starting spot. In retrospect, my faith in the team and our leader has not wavered. It wasn't but a few years ago we weren't even in contention for a National Championship yet alone a B10 title. Too early to sound the alarm...

Everyone was high on Butgers last week...



September 9th, 2017 at 11:07 PM ^

I see a lot of O-line criticism, but the play calling was disjointed.  Being multiple is great when it works, but when you don't establish anything or aren't great at anything, at what point do you start to rep specific things more?  When Rudock was QB it seemed like they had more checks to take advantage of free yardage based on defensive alignment.  This year has felt like a return to Borges and Hoke on multiple levels.  I don't know what combination of Speight, youth and lack of trust is contributing to this, but it is ugly.

Wilton Speight

September 10th, 2017 at 12:23 AM ^

I'm done with speight. Maybe you don't start O'Korn, but at least be willing to put him in if speight horrible like he was today. If you want a QB competition then let there be a competition. Harbaugh better not choke again this season. Buddy needs to make the right calls.