Cleveland.com B1G predictions In
Presumably this will be regurgitated at media days in Chicago, but Cleveland.com did their media poll for both divisions and OPOY and DPOY.
Of note: The poll is six years old and has been wrong each year.
BIG TEN EAST
1. Ohio State, 260 points (34 first-place votes)
2. Penn State, 231.5 (7)
3. Michigan, 192 (1)
4. Michigan State, 128
5. Indiana, 114
6. Maryland, 100.5
7. Rutgers, 38
(first-place votes equal more than 38 because of some ties for first)
BIG TEN WEST
1. Wisconsin, 259 points (31 first-place votes)
2. Northwestern, 219 (5)
3. Nebraska, 176.5 (2)
4. Iowa, 164.5
5. Minnesota, 131
6. Purdue, 57
6. Illinois, 57
Here were the predictions for the Big Ten Championship Game in Indianapolis on Dec. 2.
Ohio State over Wisconsin (22)
Ohio State over Northwestern (5)
Ohio State over Nebraska (2)
Wisconsin over Ohio State (3)
Wisconsin over Penn State (1)
Penn State over Wisconsin (4)
Michigan over Wisconsin (1)
OPOY was Barkley, DPOY was Tyquan Lewis. No Michigan player was in the top 10 for OPOY. Rashan Gary (third) and Maurice Hurst (8th) each received first place votes for DPOY.
So 38 voters and Rutgers got 38.... at least we don't have to wonder who was an outlier voter
that's (19) + (19*2).
There's an even split as to who will be worse between them --- but there's definitely consensus that they'll be the worst 2 out West!
1 person correctly predicted the B1G outcome. Congrats, lone soldier of truth.
Michigan over Wiscy in December. Book it.
If MSU is in 4th place in the division, I will be very happy with that.
I mean, it could still mean we got blown out by the top 3 teams, but hey, it probably means we don't lose to Maryland and Indiana again. Wheeeee.
4-8 sounds like the bottom of their range? I'm sorry but this team has no floor. Winning 0 games is a distinct possibility. I'm not saying that it's the likely outcome, but there's not a single sure fire win on their schedule. They are putting a worse product on the field this year than the product that got them 3-9 last year. Think of a team that is only good enough for 3-9 and then gets slapped with serious NCAA sanctions. That's what MSU will look like this fall with missing so many scholarship players.
Mark could always pull 6-6 out of his ass because he is a great coach. However, 4-8 feels a lot more like the most likely outcome, certainly not the floor. 1-11 would not surprise me. Notre Dame will squish MSU. I'd be surprised if they win 2 games out of Iowa, NW, Maryland. Indiana has a very solid defense this year and 2 receivers that won't be checked by MSU's swiss cheese secondary. 4 wins against WMU, BGSU, MINN, and Rutgers seem possible, but I could easily see them dropping two of those games (WMU has a real good defense and great rushing attack coming back, MINN game is in MN).
I agree that their ceiling is 6-6. I think WMU, Indiana, Minn are truly toss-ups, and you can pencil in wins against Rutgers and BG. I think the likely range is 2-10 to 5-7, but if you set their O/U at 4 wins I would take the under.
Maryland, in which they're favored as of now.
And home against Iowa is probably closer to a tossup than @Minn.
In any case, you're probably a game too low on your ceiling and range (let's call that the 80/20 percentile range, and probably 1.5 low on your O/U.
They're going to be bad, but they have about as easy a schedule as you can have as a B1G East team.
I'm a nice guy. I'll give Sparty 5-7.
Man, people keep sleeping on Mo Hurst. Forget the other stuff that's what's baffling about this to me.
6th? I'll eat a lemon if that happens.
If you look at MSUs roster, despite the loss of the guys from last years freshman class, it's still a roster that has a decent amount of talent. The biggest issue will be DEs, as I think we only have 3-4 on the roster and 2 were former walk-ons. But MSU definitely has more talent on the roster than Maryland/Rutgers/probably Indiana
I'm hoping that last year was a 'everything that could go wrong did' kinda thing, and this is a bounce back, hopefully to 7-5 or so.
I think Lewerke might not be the problem; he's probably serviceable. The problem will be keeping him upright and/or healthy. The loss of red-locked/dismissed players, particularly on offense will, along with the loss of Reschke will be quite significant.
Agreed. They've also lost several players voluntarily: the OL from Traverse City and the 2 DBs who will be going to schools classified as community colleges.
Posting to record the lemon bet for posterity
Using Connelly's numbers, State should have gone 5-7 given their performance last year. So they probably did get a bit unlucky. That being said, they still sucked last year and lost almost as much of their team as Michigan did
I like your screen name, so you deserve an upvote. But you're not going 7-5. Last year's 3-9 was 'accomplished' with an better roster than what you'll have in '17. This year, you should hope for 5-7 and hope LJ stays interested enough to get you into bowl contention.
MSU will suck again.
My prediction: Cleveland still sucks, their river is still on fire, and all their fish still have AIDS...
Hey man, we put out our river. Though the fish do still have AIDS and we feel very bad about that.
Is your economy still based entirely on the mere existence of Lebron James, or have you diversified?
Actually their riskiest pick is Sparty, really? They expect them to come in that high?
stupid app
It's pretty bad that Doug Lesmerises can't do a 5-second google search to unearth an article HE wrote --- with the 2014 poll.
But OSU was the pick in 2014, and they of course did win the conference.
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2014/07/ohio_state_picked_to_win_big_t.html
They play the games. Go Blue.
This is a free year anyway. Everything will be perfectly aligned in 2023.
I see they're buying the PSU hype, too. Trace does not frighten me one bit.
Nothing good comes from Cleveland; you shouldn't expect this to be good either.
They never win the Big Ten in years they pick them under Meyer
I'm surprised that in the five years Meyer has been at OSU, he has one Big Ten title to his name. A national title as well, granted, but I think most people were expecting him to win the Big Ten almost every year that he was here.
The one knock against Meyer so far (I suppose if there is any kind of knock) is that when he loses, its generally at the worst time for a loss. Two end of season losses to MSU where there's essentially no time to make up ground, and a loss to an upstart PSU team that would not lose in-conference again.
I guess then that it's good he has only one conference title. Among other things, it means that the rest of the conference is slowly starting to catch up.
Well, if Ohio State's AD had chosen to self-impose a postseason ban in for their 2011 season, Urban would have probably gone to the B1G Championship in his first season in 2012.
There's even a chance that they would have gone on to face Notre Dame in the BCS NC if they got past #12 Nebraska (10-2) in the B1GCG... The Darkest Timeline.
To reach the Playoff now thanks to that embarrassment you gave not just yourself, but the entire Big Ten
Eh... considering Ohio State is also the only team in the B1G to not only beat Alabama/Nick Saban recently, but also win the first College Football Playoff Championship ever.
I'd call it a wash in terms for conference reputation.
I'm not buying the PSU hype (yet).
I will credit them for beating OSU last year. That win is legit however you slice it. Whether you think the win was a fluke, it's far better than anything Michigan has done against OSU lately. But I still don't buy into McSorely throwing up Hail Marys as being a sustainable offense through a whole season. That's all he does. Eventually he'll have the kind of game where he gets picked off four times.
I've got to respect Barkley, but that's about it. While their schedule outside of playing us and OSU is pretty manageable, I wouldn't be surprised to see them crumble under the expectations. A lot of their wins last year were ugly wins against even uglier teams.
w/ real games and statistics versus whatever this is