Hope Tate wasn't in charge of study hall.
...or extra curriculars...or emotional counseling...
Really, in an ideal world, Tate would be in charge of nothing...
good thing for you that when you were 19 you had it all figured out so that you can now be a non-hypocritical judgmental know-it-all.
People change and grow up. Guy's running a QB camp now. Not a bad thing. Don't act like he's serving 6 years up state.
"You have to really try hard to flunk out here. All you have to do is go to class, it's not that hard."
Literally hours later, is sent home from the Gator Bowl trip for flunking out.
I mean, I didn't have it all figured out at 19, but I never did that.
Cool, man. We are all really happy for you.
Kids do dumb things and grow up. Spoiled, dumb kids do more dumb things and grow up to be assholes. Forcier had more than just "being a kid" issues. He had hard, ingrained attitude and emotional issues.
Also, life isn't that hard. Being not-stupid is a super easy thing every person can do to make their life easier.
Life is incredibly hard, and being stupid is much easier than not being stupid.
We clearly have different outlooks on life. I agree that being stupid is easier. That does not mean that being not-stupid is difficult. It's an easy path to take in life and one that is apparent 95% of the time.
Compounding Tate's stupidity was the fact that he had everything growing up. He had a good life. He had brothers that went through college ball before him. He had resources and mentors that many players that have come through Michigan - players that were worlds ahead of Tate in maturity and intelligence - did not. He didn't not have any excuse being the ass that he was.
Then YOU'VE never had a hard life and if you truly believe life isn't hard then you are out of touch with most of the humans to ever walk this planet.
I have not, you're right. My parents started very low on the totem pole, however, and they would be the first to tell you that life is not that hard if you are not stupid. I think your point speaks more to the fact that most people are stupid.
You know who really didn't have a hard life? Tate.
From what I remember RR did not require freshman to live in the dorms. I wonder if that was the beginning of Tate's problems.
The fact that you can sit here and argue that Tate Forcier didn't have a hard life, like you have any clue, shows that you have some problems in your own life that you should sort out.
I don’t presume to know your upbringing, but I can assure you, you did not have much less than I had growing up (because there wasn’t significantly less).
That being stated, be happy that you (or your parents) made it out from their economic station as not everyone can do it.
Life is hard.
The system simply isn’t made for EVERYONE to succeed, it couldn’t work that way. It’s true that the lower you start, the lower your chances, but it’s not easy for 90% of people.
If a kid is spoiled and does dumb things, why not respect and applaud his attempt to turn that around? There’s far too little humanity in our society today. Instead of bashing people forever for their dumb mistakes, why not encourage people to overcome them?
I grew up with many people who didn’t make it out. It’s true that I rarely (relatively) went over the line and did less dumb things than some of my friends, but I did dodge some bullets. Underage drinking, driving 100 MPH on city streets (not while drinking), being at the wrong party at 2 AM when other friends didn’t ever make it home and spending time with “questionable” girls are all instances of youthful actions that could have really cost me, but didn’t.
As we look out from the heights we reach in life, I would like our society better if less people yell insults down at those below them and if more people encourage others to keep trying to climb.
If you know him personally, I think you shouldn't be calling him out on the Internet, but whatever, it happens.
If you do not know him (and it sounds like you don't, at least not recently) you're making a lot of assumptions about him, based on the small parts of his behavior which were reported on seven years ago. We know he said some cocky things and did some dumb things which eventually got him kicked off the team and out of football entirely a short time later. Kids do that sometimes, it's way overboard to diagnose attitude and emotional problems from that.
Regardless of the family income (do we actually know if the Forciers were rich?), it always seemed to me that Tate was raised by a near-sociopathic helicopter dad. A helicopter dad so lacking in self-awareness that he had his Raised from Birth to Be a QB kid trained by Marv fucking Marinovich. I'd imagine that probably had a lot to do with his immaturity and stupid decisions at school. I don't envy his upbrining one bit.
All that notwithstanding, you really make yourself sound like an asshole for acting like you know exactly what's wrong with Tate Forcier as a human being--and can condemn him for etnernity because of his behavior as an undergrad--just because you're a fan of his former football team and you read a fucking blog about it.
Meh. There can be a middle ground here. No one is suggesting Forcier spend the rest of his life apologizing for what he did as a 20 year old, they're just bagging on him for blowing a lot of talent with his lack of maturity. And the fact that he did so is nearly undeniable...
That long run up the middle for a TD agains ND had me thinking we would see a lot of that over four years. Turns out we did, but it was a humble Denard that was doing it.
I'm pretty sure Tate was pushing some scam MLM all over his Facebook as of a couple years ago so, maybe not he's not the best subject for this hypothesis.
Wait... are you suggesting that there is something wrong with MLM?
does he need a doctor?
For those that don't know (like me, ten seconds ago): "multi-level marketing" = pyramid sales schemes
MLM does not necessarily mean pyramid. Pyramid schemes are illegal and there are many examples of MLM companies that are totally legit. Ever heard of Amway? Right in our backyard of Grand Rapids.
Amway was not found to be an illegal pyramid scheme. But it's still a pyramid scheme and a scam.
By that loose definition most organizations are pyramids. One person at the top makes the most money and has the power over others below them.
Scams are illegal:
scam
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1.a dishonest scheme; a fraud."an insurance scam"
synonyms: fraud, swindle, fraudulent scheme, racket, trick;
Amway is not a scam.
I'm not an Amway distributor and I don't think their brand of marketing and distribution is as effective as more traditional methods but you can't say that Amway is a scam.
I think Tate had an irresponsible father. Remember their bizarre website and his dads "ass man" t-shirt?
Many of our childrens failings can be traced back to us as parents.
... except beating Illinois in thrilling fashion.
Why take an unnecessary shot at a former UM player???
Kids and young Adults make mistakes and blow opportunities.
for that matter.
So much wasted potential in Forcier. His TD run against ND is one of my favorite memories of the dark ages.
"nothing in the world worse than wasted talent"
Brussel Spouts are worse...
Sautee them with onions and bacon. Then they become delicious.
While I couldn’t resist making a preachy, self-righteous comment elsewhere in this thread, I did log in solely to up vote this comment.
But what if your talent is murdering? Isn't it worse to be practicing your murder?
"I don't get nervous" - Tate Forcier
..."I just sometimes play worse."
QB strengths:
- reading cover 0
- self confidence
- occasional superhuman powers
QB weaknesses:
- attitude
- study habits
- long term fit for position
- uncontrolled hatred for Denard Robinson
To do what he did against ND as a True Freshman was amazing. To then see where he ended up is unfortunately also amazing.
Was pretty solid. He put everything out there to tie the score
Rich Rod should have gone for two.
I wouldn't have gone for two.
I remember thinking to go for two with a Denard play. Tate was done for.
Shit I really am Fred Jackson.
I'm drunk and going to bed.
but Sparty's gonna Sparty, they were shellshocked that the game was tied. They would have to pull an Eddie Brown tackling Desmond in the endzone to stay in that game.
But I feel like if he would have taken conditioning more seriously, he may have had enough gas left in the tank there.
I attended that game and remember seeing Tate on the back page of NY Times Sunday morning at DTW flying home. I cringed a bit when I read the glowing write up with a bit of heisman hype. It was amazing how good Tate looked in that game for an early season freshman.
I do believe he won the Heisman for a little bit after that game, no?
Man it grosses me out when people rip on the maturity of kids.
He was a fun kid to watch, and he made some mistakes, like all of us.