Recruit Says James Franklin Has A New 5 Year Deal
I don't think this is a good move by Penn St., but they are Penn St., so fuck em'.
http://www.statecollege.com/news/psu-news/penn-state-football-franklin-…
5 more years of 40 point beatdowns! Hooray!!
Brady Hoke did go 11-2 and won the Sugar Bowl.
Penn State's Recruiting Class National Rankings per 247 Composite...
2018 - 4th So far
2017 - 15th
2016 - 20th
2015 - 14th
2014 - 24th
I didn't count 2013, because he wasn't hired in time to get that full recruiting cycle.
He is a decent recruiter though, considering that the SEC tends to dominate the top-15 or so.
Isn't there some stat like every BCS / CFP champion consistently recruits in the top 10? And they have division foes in Michigan and OSU who are consistently top 5ish. It will be tough sledding for PSU with just 'good' recruiting and James Franklin running the show to be nationally relevant consistently, though Moorhead appears to be helping
See the incoming class as an example.
"Consistently top five-ish" is admittedly a bit ambiguous, and probably a bit optimistic, but--when the program is stable, and excluding small classes--it's not far off.
In the last six years, beginning after Hoke's first transition class, UM has had a #6 class (2012), #4 class (2013), #7 (2016), and #5 (2017).
That sounds like what we see when people in exercise science cherry pick studies to prove their point while ignoring the overall body of research.
Yes, they have gotten in the top 5 once (this year is not done yet) and yes they have gotten close to the top 5 a few more times. However, the statement that they are consistently in the top 5 is incorrect.
I think what they maybe meant to say is they have gotten near the top 5 a number of times and just embellished a bit because it does not sound as emphatical.
You wrote that you didn't include the 2013 ranking because Franklin wasn't hired in time, but I think you're off by a year. He wasn't hired by Penn State until January 2014. The 2014 class was the one he didn't have time to shape.
Who said anything about national contending. The guy said he beat OSU and won the conference.
Those would be nice things to happen to us.
We bitch about having to play MSU and OSU on the road in the same year now, but we are going to be happy that we get Penn State at home (and not MSU at home) the years when we have to play Ohio State on the road.
MSU will be a non-factor.
At some point we're going to have to develop into a balanced team without glaring weaknesses that get exposed against decent teams on the road. Until that happens it's kind of hard to get upset about placings, rankings, and other teams' fate.
...against Iowa and Ohio State. I'm tired of watching us (1) lose in Kinnick and (2) lose against Ohio State.
Where did this "arm punt" thing start?
2016 PSU scored a helluva lot more points against Iowa (41), Indiana (45), Sparty (45), and Wisconsin (38) than we did. Also scoring nearly 50 points on a resurgent USC team in the Rose Bowl ain't half bad either.
All that said, I want to see us open a can of whup ass on PSU in Happy Valley on October 21st.
Did you not see how they scored those points? 'Arm punts' are what thier QB was throwing downfield hoping to hit a WR that was adlibbing a go-route like street ball. The luck involved was outrageous.
It wasn't necessarily pure luck, but it's still just as un-repeatable.
There is no Godwin safety blanket to high-point the arm punts that McSoely puts up this year.
A tall Corner is going to have a field day against him in a game this season.
Regardless of how many points they put up on other opponents or how much they improved over the season, we still kicked their a*s because they couldn't move the ball against our defense, end of story.
The fact remains they couldn't move the ball against us because we had a better defense than all those other teams. Now, that has nothing to do with the argument of who deserved to be in the championship game, but it does have to do with who was a better team head-to-head.
Don't worry you will. If any team on our schedule has a suspect o-line we will be living in their backfield all game. Our d-line should scare everyone we play and will dominate. They will be lucky to score into the twenties on us. Once again can our offense score consistently. Penn state is overrated and will lose at least three games.
Considering they were getting impatient with him before the OSU game last year, I'm not sure you want to give a guy a 5 year extension after half a very good season.
They had good defenses and shitty offenses in his tenure there. He changed that by bringing in a good OC.
The offensive system took some time to implement - plus a new QB. Remember when people were preaching here "we don't have the parts for the system! Just give Rich Rod a few years to put in his system and his guys!!" Well PSU OC did it in half a year with "other people's guys".
Franklin is basically slim Brady Hoke but a lot more cheesy. A motivator type who is not a master X and Os type. We said Brady would bring in great coordinators to offset that. Brady did it on one side of the ball and then had a shit OL and lack of elite talent on the other side - just like Franklin situation about 12 months ago. Frankly addressed it with an innovative OC and struck gold with Barkley. Brady never found that elite back and stuck with his OC. So Franklin made the jump that Brady never did. Neither is the Ghandi of X and Os.
Now it will be interesting to me what happens when PSU's OC gets a HC job, and how Frankin responds and who he replaces him with. But that's a question for another off season.
I was on the bandwagon that his job was in danger if things didn't turn around last year, and another 7-6 or 8-5 season and he was probably top 3 in hot seat at this time. Or fired. But they turned it around.
To your point, PSU's season basically turned on a fluke play(s) that beat OSU at home. PSU is essentially pinning their hopes that Franklin can coach his teams to do the same thing versus UM & OSU every season. Given Franklin's poor record vs. top 20 teams, I think that's a bit of a reach. Giving a 5-year extension to a guy who hasn't proven he can even semi-consistently beat the top teams seems like a foolish move.
But hey, last fall we were hoping Franklin would stay at PSU forever. I'm still very comfortable with that.
I'm not sure you want to give a guy a 5 year extension after half a very good season.
Charlie Weis says "Hi!"
I'll leave it to PSU (as opposed to Curtis Enis' son) to give the details as to whether it's through 2021 or 2024 (I've seen both speculated).
But nearly every coach at a Top 50 program has a contract for the next 5 seasons. If he doesn't, recruits can view that as a negative. (the original contract was through 2019)
Even if it's through 2024 and PSU craters on the football field in the late 2010s: the school just fires him and pays the buy out. It's a program which has $.
Because they barely,barely, barely beat Minnesota at home and if they did'nt pull that one out they would have been screaming for his head. If you want to see why the extension is bad.....lets just see how things play out for psu this year. I would be very surprised if things turn out like Penn State fans think they will.
when down by 4 TDs
I was at a social event with a Penn State grad recently and he gave me a little jab about Michigan, not really mean spirited but a little shot nonetheless. I'm sitting there thinking really, you're sitting there shooting b-b's when I got a nuclear bomb in my hands? With this guy, as apparently with a lot of them, the arrogance is blinding. I decided in this case a Michigan man takes the high road and left it alone. Fuck Ped State.
That's when you turn slightly, smirk, shake your head slightly with the look that says "You poor sod" then silently turn away.
PSU was on a downward spiral until they picked up Moorhead as OC...
I was actually shocked how well they did following the Michigan beatdown, that said, they had and awful lot of things break their way it seemed to me...
Barkley is the real deal, but not yet convinced McSorley did anything more than 'chuck and luck'...reminded me a lot of DRob during the games when he'd thrown back shoulder or the WR wins a 50/50 ball...
I'll be interested to see if he can do stuff within the structure of the system as opposed to sandlot...
Franklin is a solid recruiter, but i am not convinced he's that great a game coach... we'll see after this year, as I think there's a good chance that Moorhead get tabbed as a HC somewhere
there wasn't a ton of film on Moorhead's scheme...
that said, in year two, the players will be more familiar with the scheme too, the offense might be 100% installed.
a good analogy is hockey shooting %... it sure seemed like a ton of things broke psu's way... i can't imagine that repeating itself this year
i think teams will limit the number of PSU explosive plays which will bring that team back to the earth
he coached Fordham and they made the playoff 3 of the 4 years. There are plenty of film if they bother to watch his offense at Fordham. Coaches knows it and spent time on it.
His offense is up-tempo spread offense with west coast principle. They do a lot of IZ based runs. Nothing's new about his offense and it has been around for a while. To say that there's lack of film is silly at best.
M proved a good d-line can negate a lot of their offense. No slight against Moorhead, but I'll take Dr. Blitz in a head-to-head any Saturday.
think Rick Comley at MSU (hockey). Fluke NC followed by cratering of the program.
won't be that bad and with MSU football falling off, it should be easy to remain 3rd/4th in the division and make a bowl game every year. But I wouldn't be surprised if Maryland becomes a thorn in the side of much of the East, especially PSU