Zeigler - possible concern?
I've heard that our chances for Trey look good...but to be concerned if his Dad gets an assistant gig at Duke or UCLA. So, seeing this link on UMHoops raises some concern:
http://sunsportsblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/ucla-making-play-for-2-zeigle…
Please Ernie, stay at CMU.
just a rumor so take it FWIW... but if it did happen i do believe that trey would be following his dad...
seems unlikely that he'd move for a lower position.
If I had the option of being top ast. at UCLA or head man at Central I'd go west. Also, if the pay is about the same, it would make the UCLA gig even better. I'd say the UCLA top ast. spot is better than head coach at CMU.
... I'd only add that cost of living in LA is probably 1.5X that of CMU, so the salary would have to reflect that change. If they can offer him that adjustment, a UCLA asst. job is not shabby at all.
When I took my visiting mother to see the first Batman movie tickets were 8 bucks. Insurance on my Cavalier Z24 was $304/year despite a perfect driving record. Housing started at $300,000 plus and you weren't getting much. Of course this was back in the late 80s early 90s.
... on this site.
http://swz.salary.com/costoflivingwizard/layoutscripts/coll_result.asp?…
It claims that the actual cost of living increase is about 1.6 between Lansing and LA (couldn't find Mt. Pleasant, so maybe 1.8). But then it also shows that the average increase in salary for someone with the same skill level is only 8%. Which means you have a lot less money to throw around if you have the "privilege" to live in LA.
Site's got graphs and stuff, so it must be legit, right?
1.5 is way low. Let's say the Zeiglers have a pretty nice house in MP worth 400K. This would be a pretty nice home in almost any part of MI. 600k in LA gets you 1200 sq ft (and no basement) in an average neighborhood. A comparable home would cost you over a million, no doubt.
and Michael Michaels (where's the imagination, parents?) have sweet rental opportunities available for athletes' families in Southern Cali ... for certain future considerations, of course.
There's your humpday zing at Reggie Bush and fam ...
Don't forget the 10% sales tax.
Like others have pointed out.
Why would he want to be an assistant at UCLA for a second time over being a head coach for the first time?
UMHoops was reporting that he is inking a 4-year extension.
This 'E. Zeigler back to UCLA' must be just a rumor.
I certainly hope it doesn't happen, but it is possible for multiple reasons:
-LA v. Mt Pleasant
-Coaching his son on a bigger stage (one that could help Trey's career more CMU)
-Money
Hard to say what factors are considered. I'm just saying that I've heard, from very good sources, that the wildcard in the Zeigler recruitment would be if his dad were lured away from CMU to take an assistant job elsewhere.
So do the negative points mean that folks hope Ernie and Trey end up at UCLA?
Or do they mean that location, family and money have nothing to do with a coaching move?
Or do they mean that folks with actual insight into recruiting info shouldn't post here?
Your "actual insight into recruiting info" was posting a link to a guy who basically says he has no knowledge of the situation other than UCLA would like a best case scenario of getting both Zeigler's there. Really? I could post the exact same thing and insert any of the schools going after Zeigler - would you think that was actual insight? I wouldn't - I would call that obvious.
Actually, my insight comes from very high level D-I athletic department personnel who would know what's going on. The link I posted raised a red flag as it mirrored the one concern I've been told could be an issue with Trey's recruitment. If someone else has better sources than me, feel free to share info. If you want to throw negatives points, so be it. Doesn't exactly increase the flow of info though, does it?
I hate these series of tubes
Trey may well choose UCLA, but consider:
1. The chances Ernie gets fired in the next two weeks: Close to zero
2. The chances a mid-major head coach (that wasn't recently fired) leaves to be an assistant coach: Very Slim
3. The chances that Ernie would be significantly better off financially, all things considered, as a UCLA assistant: Slim
4. Likelihood Trey is willing to ditch his high school friends and his girlfriend to play bball for his dad in LA: Cloudy
I think you are getting negged because you've spun money, location, family, and potential coaching position into positives for UCLA, when it's not clear that they actually are. You aren't giving "actual insight into recruiting," you are making poorly supported assumptions.
Dude, I'm not saying he IS going to UCLA. Did you even bother to read what I wrote? I did say that we risk losing Trey IF his dad takes an assistant coaching position elsewhere. I got negged because someone has daddy issues maybe? It's a little sad.
Frankly, it's a waste of time to try to share info with fellow Michigan fans here. You can write about what someone's brother's cousin's valet's kid sister saw on Wikipedia. I was writing about what high level D-I athletic department personnel told me. An assistant coaching vacancy IS something that could hurt our chances at landing Trey. I thought that to be something worthwhile to share. Maybe I should have written about the mesh in our jerseys or my favorite beer instead.
keep the "anything is possible" insider info coming.
Agreed with the other comments but judging by the fact that you have been unfairly negged in a few other threads it seems that you may have reached NOS status with a few posters.
You know, when I first signed up, I got down a ton of points by questioning RichRod. I could have just posted with a new identity, but figured that'd be the easy way out. At least now I have enough points to take the hits here and there.
Is there a way to find out where the negs are coming from? Sure would be nice to find out who is so terrible offended by pretty tame and unobjectionable comments (but at the same time is too timid to publicly comment).
I can't believe that such a thing as an e-grudge exists where someone follows my posts and negs anything. I think you and I even got into it on something or another at one point, but that's the nature of a limited sports argument...limited.
Even if the pay is comparable, being an assistant at a major school is lower on the basketball food chain than being a mid-major HC. Major-conference assistants regularly move on to become mid-major HCs; the reverse almost never happens.
Maybe the decision isn't between mid-major head coach and major conference assistant. It could be between being a mid-major coach and not getting to coach your son and being a major conference assistant and getting to coach your son. It might not just be business and money driving his decision, but family as well.
That'd be a pretty big sacrifice, career-wise, for him to make. I can't see something like that happening.
Sure, it is a sacrifice. But do you know the Zeiglers? It's tough to assume something about people when you have no idea their mindset.
But do you know the Zeiglers?But do you? He shoots he scores! And boom goes the dynamite.
first, as others have pointed out, it'd be the second time he was an assistant at UCLA. second, where do you think you go from being an assistant at UCLA? the next step is a job as a coach at a mid-major (i.e., what he has now?). it'd be a step back to become an assistant again.
He recenty signed an extension to continue as CMU's head coach. Why would he leave a head honcho job to be an assistant?
In the linky it said that they were still in negotiations over a new contract.
In the comments section the author just says that UCLA is interested in seeing if it's a possibility. It doesn't say that Dad Zeigler wants to go to UCLA.
In other words, UCLA will give the job to Dad Zeigler if his son comes along?
1. UCLA would need a Rand McNally road atlas to find Mount Pleasant/CMU and,
2. Would not know who Ernie Ziegler was if it were not for his son who had the Bruins on his short list of schools he was considering.
This has happened before... We shall see on this one.
Ernie Zeigler was an assistant at UCLA from 2003-06.
I'm pretty sure that UCLA knows where CMU is -- why? Because Ernie was an assistant for Ben Howland while he was at Pitt ('02-'03), and then at UCLA ('03-'06).
I'm guessing that this means that he thinks being the HC at CMU is better than being an assistant at UCLA.
There are so many personal considerations that it's hard to guess what he'll do. Still, it is just a rumor...we'll know soon enough.
I remain baffled by some with the points thing.
What exactly is so terrible about saying that there are personal considerations for a coach contemplating a move? Also negged in this string for saying that the father might see value in coaching his son. Whatever.
I did not know this. Have mercy!
I hate that I'm typing this...and I fear it coming true...but I just get the vibe that Trey's gonna end up playing for dad at CMU. Talk about another dong punch...
I agree with you; CMU is the team to fear, because he might want to play for his dad.
It's a good thing you pointed this out.
I think some of you people are taking "dong punch" to a level that makes "dong punches" seem run-of-the-mill.
It's not a dong punch when some random kid who's been considering Michigan chooses another school. If it was, every school would suffer repeated, crippling dong punches.
Dong punches should be reserved for things that seriously hurt. Otherwise, this term will get watered down and overused just like phrases such as "snake oil" and "Tacopants" and "slot ninja."
But in this particular case, given that we have two scholarships for the hoops team, Manny is gone, we need him. I think Dong Punch is appropriate IME.
A dong punch is something you should cringe when you think about months, or even years, later, not something that just sucks. Plenty of stuff has sucked this year, but not that much of it rises to original spirit of the dong punch, as embodied in the origin of the phrase;
http://mgoblog.com/content/only-thing-corey-liuget-and-i-will-ever-have…
IMHE, this year's dong punches include NBA Jam-esque "He's in Fire" 3-pointers from Evan Turner, Stupid Hockey East Ref, OMG FOUR CHANCES FROM THE ONE YARD LINE???, and Kalin Lucas.
They do not include Wisconsin taking us to the woodshed, Sean Parker committing to Washington (though seriously... U-Dub?), or getting swept by Nebraska-Omaha.
Just my epinion. No sugarcoat.
I've started wearing a cup 24 hours a day again after Saturday's hockey game.
I hope that he ends up in Ann Arbor, we really need help.
and I don't think it will, but IF it does - so be it.
One recruit does not make or break a program (short of a Larry Bird, etc).
He needs Michigan as much as we want him - and we do want him.
But if UCLA needs to hire his Dad - we don't need him that badly.
Go Blue, Trey!