December 24th, 2016 at 6:17 PM ^
Football & Hoops Wins in 2016-17
— Drew Hallett (@DrewCHallett) December 24, 2016
21: WIS, OSU
20: MICH, MINN
19: PSU
18: MD
17: NW
16: IA, IU
15: NEB
14: PU
13: ILL, RU
11: MSU
December 24th, 2016 at 7:52 PM ^
That pushes MSU past 3 (of the 8) schools that don't have teams.
December 24th, 2016 at 6:20 PM ^
December 24th, 2016 at 6:21 PM ^
in EL.....
December 24th, 2016 at 6:21 PM ^
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December 24th, 2016 at 6:21 PM ^
December 24th, 2016 at 10:17 PM ^
December 25th, 2016 at 1:04 PM ^
most of their recruits didn't have high enough motors so they're waiting until next year.
December 24th, 2016 at 6:22 PM ^
December 24th, 2016 at 6:23 PM ^
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December 24th, 2016 at 6:27 PM ^
Fuck MSU...moving on.
December 24th, 2016 at 8:01 PM ^
Ignore them.
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December 25th, 2016 at 2:59 AM ^
December 24th, 2016 at 6:31 PM ^
December 24th, 2016 at 6:45 PM ^
Urban Meyer and Jim Harbaugh had far bigger an impact.
Dantonio is a solid coach, but when MSU rose to what it was...a big piece of that was OSU being down for a year and all the tattoo speculation about huge sanctions.
Michigan was down for a much longer period...but you also had Rich Rod who didn't recruit the state like Harbaugh is doing.
PSU was...well, you know. Sanctions, cloud over the school, negative pub, etc.
MSU was able to get kids that flat out wouldn't be in EL during that period. A guy like Ambry Thomas was going to MSU...Michigan was trying to make it up with a 3/4* kid from Florida. And sometimes we did...but that still meant the in-state kid went to MSU.
Now we're getting that kid and MSU isn't able to go somewhere else to find a similar talent. They're basically pouching kids from the MAC to make up for it.
MSU is going to struggle to get in-state talent...they'll steal a kid or two for sure. They'll win a big one every now and again. They're not going 3-8 every year. But NY6 days and being the elite B1G program year after year? That's done as long as things stay the way they are, IMO.
December 24th, 2016 at 7:08 PM ^
December 24th, 2016 at 7:21 PM ^
You're still here. Posting at length.
You've never had sex, have you?
December 24th, 2016 at 8:16 PM ^
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December 24th, 2016 at 9:02 PM ^
December 24th, 2016 at 10:53 PM ^
Here's the recruiting trends for the last three coaches.
OH and MI recruits by year
2008 - 42.5%
2009 - 31.8%
2010 - 61.5%
RR AVG - 42.3%
2011 - 65.0%
2012 - 64.0%
2013 - 59.2%
2014 - 31.2%
Hoke AVG - 54.9%
2015 - 42.8%
2016 - 10.3%
2017 - 40.0%
JH AVG - 31.0%
Now let's break it down for the state of MI only -
2008 - 20.8%
2009 - 18.1%
2010 - 14.8%
RR AVG - 17.9%
2011 - 30.0%
2012 - 36.0%
2013 - 29.6%
2014 - 25.0%
Hoke AVG - 30.2%
2015 - 21.4%
2016 - 10.3%
2017 - 32.0%
JH AVG - 21.2%
Just adding some information to the discussion.
December 25th, 2016 at 9:21 AM ^
December 25th, 2016 at 5:54 PM ^
Look, they were able to recruit some good players that would have have gone to Michigan (or OSU or PSU or Neb) but they hardly were recruiting like Alabama. Dantollio was (perhaps still is) obviously a much better coach than RR or Hoke.
Did you notice that MSU had little trouble beating ND, PSU, Neb, Stanford, & OSU INCLUDING Michigan during that time? That is not 100% just explained by saying "Michigan was down".
They developed lower-rateed players & coached them very well.
I wish it weren't true, but they were fantastically good for a while, at a level we haven't even equaled yet.
I'm hoping that the combination of the Alabama beat-down, Narduzi leaving, and Harbaugh owning the state & getting in Mork's head will keep them a bottom feeder for the forseeable futture, but I'm not going to bet my house on it.
December 24th, 2016 at 6:32 PM ^
Sparties...hahahahahaha!!
December 24th, 2016 at 6:31 PM ^
December 24th, 2016 at 7:19 PM ^
Did you push Brian Cook glasses up your nose as you typed this?
December 24th, 2016 at 6:40 PM ^
Dantonio needs to thank RR and Hoke, and the people who hired them...Martin and Brandon for his good fortune during his 8 year run. It is now over.
December 24th, 2016 at 7:51 PM ^
We also need to blame MS Coleman. She forced Brandon on us. It bothers me how little blame she gets for the athletic department's failures on her watch.
December 24th, 2016 at 8:11 PM ^
December 24th, 2016 at 8:21 PM ^
He can thank Lloyd Carr too. RR inherited the team that lost to App State - minus Hart, Henne, Long, Manningham, Arrington and Crable. Most of the returning D stars graduated a year later. RR rebuilt the team only to have the rug pulled out from under him in a way that hurt the team for years. Since DB made it clear that RR was walking wounded, many players stayed away and others, like Jake Fisher, decommitted after the actual firing.
December 24th, 2016 at 8:28 PM ^
December 24th, 2016 at 9:07 PM ^
People forget that MSU's streak started in '08. Part of that was lousy coaching by Rodriguez, but people seem to think he recruited the whole @#$%ing team, too. (Really -- look at some of the posts in this thread.)
MSU beat Michigan that year, '09, and '10 largely with players recruited before the coaching change. Can't blame RichRod for that part ...
I think you're being too kind about his "rebuilding," though. If he gets to stay they maybe win 8-9 games in '11 and that winds up being his peak. Look at what he's done at Arizona. Hard place to win, yes, but he has the same lousy defense, same shaky recruiting, etc.
December 24th, 2016 at 9:27 PM ^
I believe AZ won the Pac 12 South 2 years ago. The last 2 years they have had crippling injuries to LBs, QBs and RBs. They're 29th this year in recruiting.
December 25th, 2016 at 12:51 AM ^
As a Power 5 coach, RichRod is 51-51 overall and 24-44 in B1G/Pac-12 play. Yeah, he won a (fluky) division title two years ago, but that's the only winning conference record he's posted in the last eight years. At some point you can't keep coming up with excuses for his mediocrity. Eight years as a Power 5 coach is a big sample size. It's simpler to conclude that he's just not that good of a coach.
December 25th, 2016 at 11:38 AM ^
Figures don't lie, but liars can figure. Of course RRs record looks worse if you exclude his years at WV, a power 5 school. Maybe you think you're being clever by specifying coaching at a power 5 school while it's part of the power 5. In that case you need to subtract his time at UM, which was pre-power 5 days. Again, that would undermine your inaccurate point.
December 25th, 2016 at 8:14 PM ^
The Big East/AAC is not a Power 5 conference. There was a time when it was a good conference, but then Miami and Va Tech left (c. 2003) and then it went downhill. RichRod's best seasons at WVU were after the conference declined. He's just one of numerous coaches to look good in the post-Miami Big East and then struggle at a bigger job - Charlie Strong, Randy Edsall, Brian Kelly and Greg Schiano also come to mind.
As a Power 5 coach he's 51-51 overall and 24-44 in conference in eight years. His record is what it is. You can rationalize one or two bad seasons, but when you post seven losing conference records out of eight, you're probably not that good of a coach.
December 24th, 2016 at 9:42 PM ^
December 25th, 2016 at 12:01 AM ^
Jonny speaks the truth.
The next year Rodriguez confessed to Wojo that "I thought this was Michigan, you just roll them out, you'll win your share."* Idiotic confession and he should have been fired immediately for a) thinking that and b) being dumb enough to admit that he thought that.
*Every time I mention this someone says that quote was taken out of context. It was not. But I do welcome further information that could prove the lack of context; it'd be nice to forget about this because RR does seem to be a decent guy.
December 26th, 2016 at 9:38 AM ^
There wasn't a system in college that was going to win with Nick Sheridan or Steven Threet at QB.
December 27th, 2016 at 3:06 AM ^
No, but a better coach could have kept Mallett from transfering.
December 24th, 2016 at 9:56 PM ^
December 24th, 2016 at 10:54 PM ^
If i'm not mistaken , didn't RR think he had Terrelle Pryor all locked up and ready to committ and then obviously didn't get him. And I still don't really know what happened with Ryan Mallett. Did Carr tell him to move on , or did RR try to keep him and tell him we'll change the offense for you. Anybody know what really happened there?
December 24th, 2016 at 11:37 PM ^
really matter. He wasn't the quarterback for RR's system and he wasn't going to develop under that systerm. Maybe Carr talked to players out of concern for the young men he recruited. I don't consider looking out for the players as bad.
December 24th, 2016 at 11:15 PM ^
I'll at least blame Rodriguez for the two losses you mentioned that happened while Greg Robinson was our defensive coordinator.
December 24th, 2016 at 9:30 PM ^
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December 25th, 2016 at 2:09 PM ^
The Lloyd Carr deniers in here crack me up.
December 25th, 2016 at 12:54 AM ^
RR rebuilt the team only to have the rug pulled out from under him in a way that hurt the team for years.
Correction: RichRod rebuilt the offense. On defense, we regressed each of his three seasons, until we were one of the worst in the country in 2010.
December 24th, 2016 at 6:41 PM ^
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December 24th, 2016 at 7:06 PM ^
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