MBB vs Texas snowflakes
We have problems. A lot of them. It's nice to think about them after a win over a power conference team.
Moe Wagner is the best player on this team.
The attendance was turrible again. The students showed up and did their job.
9pm games on weeknights can blow me.
Not in the face on Saturday, please
December 6th, 2016 at 11:18 PM ^
Irvin needs to get his shit together. He has made the team worse for more than one game this year. Which is crazy for a senior with his talent.
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December 6th, 2016 at 11:21 PM ^
How many shots did he even take today? At least he didn't shoot it 20 times today and go 1-20. Sorta looked like his couple bad games of late are getting in his head a bit and he's starting to get gunew shy (or bad segments at least since he played phenomenal in the 1st half at VA Tech and terrible 2nd).
December 6th, 2016 at 11:27 PM ^
Irvin 1-8.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:30 PM ^
Irvin actually stayed within his "game" it seemed. He had a couple of nice assists within the flow of the offense. He didn't force anything until he thought he was hot after hitting his only shot.
The O looked somewhat decent with him facilitating in the 1st half.
December 7th, 2016 at 2:05 AM ^
Irvin's shooting form seems to have gotten so chaotic, not sure if its in his head now. Its like charles barkley swinging a golf club bad. Its all upper body and no leg power.
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December 7th, 2016 at 8:33 AM ^
What exactly is Irvin's talent? We've been waiting 3 years for this talent to be realized.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:18 PM ^
Why is it that everyone talks about Irvin's struggles but few mention MAAR's struggles. 2 consecutive games without a field goal.
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December 6th, 2016 at 11:36 PM ^
Did he attack the rim even once tonight? Because that's pretty much his entire offensive game; if he's not doing that, the other team can defend 5 on 4, which is not ideal.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:43 PM ^
He did a few times, but he was pretty ineffective tonight.
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December 7th, 2016 at 1:13 AM ^
Outside of our 6'10 center MAAR is the only player on the team who is really capable of attacking the basket off the dribble. We are rather insanely one dimensional with him being so passive and ineffective. He really needs to get going; though I really wonder if he is nursing some type of injury with the lack of aggression.
December 7th, 2016 at 5:31 AM ^
The lack of aggression has really been a problem under Beilein. Don't get me wrong, having suffered through the Ellerby years, Beilein is clearly an upgrade. But outside of a number of guys over the years (Graham Brown, Novak, McGary, Burke and JMo come to mind), Beilein teams seem soft.
They too often settle for outside shots. Irvin and Walton are also capable of attacking the basket. In terms of rebounding, defense, and driving the lane, length and skill matter, but it's really more about heart. On good nights shooting, they can play with seemingly anyone (I thought the team had really turned a corner in New York). But it's been like Groundhog Day most years with Beilein. When the outside shots aren't dropping, they can't rely on defense and points in the paint. The worse it gets, the worse the shot selection gets (the game against South Carolina is a prime example).
You often hear a team takes on the attitude of its coach. Beilein is a great offensive teacher, but like they say, defense wins championships. Rebounding and defense are key and have been lacking most years. I'm not suggesting getting rid of him, and his morals and dedication to players are admirable, but making it to the championship game seems more and more like an outlier. In a game with sleazeballs like Rick Pitino, and under the table payments, it's hard to compete year in and year out at a high level when you do it with integrity. I grew up a big Bad Boys fan and obviously rough physical play won't cut it in today's game, but nothing warms the cockles of my heart more than good defense, passing and rebounding.
December 7th, 2016 at 8:37 AM ^
I disagree that they settle for outside shots. The outside shot is the offense.
December 7th, 2016 at 8:54 AM ^
Everything you've asked for here was on display, and in fact was the only reason UM won last night, but it was on the defensive side.
The offense struggled obviously - give Texas' work, talent and length a lot of credit for that. The passing was subpar, but 12 assists is not terrible either. However, UM was able to match that defensive intensity, to hold Texas to 0.82 PPP, 14 TOs and 50 total points. In a game like this, it's the D that keeps it close and provides the opportunity to win late - that is exactly what happened.
On offense, these guys are clearly trying - the effort is there. We simply don't have Guard and Wing talent that JB's offense needs to match the success we've seen in years past.
December 7th, 2016 at 2:41 PM ^
You really think Irvin is capable of attacking the basket? Against real competition?
December 6th, 2016 at 11:41 PM ^
Kind of hard to hold it against him. He was a zero star recruit.
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December 7th, 2016 at 2:52 AM ^
and knew anything about basketball, you would know that he would have easily been a 3 star and probably a 4-star if he got the proper recognition
December 7th, 2016 at 10:24 AM ^
MAAR is a nice roll player, but there are reasons why he was not heavily recruited. He is really old for his class which limits his upside. He is also not a special talent in any one are of the game.
He is a nice all around player and your typical generic three star that there are hundreds of in college ball.
December 7th, 2016 at 3:17 PM ^
I am sure you know more than everyone else. You should be a scout!!
December 6th, 2016 at 11:18 PM ^
Well. Let's just say this: we're a bubble team again I think, but this win will definietly help come March; unlike last year when we didn't have shit other than our good Conference games we won. Having a non-conference win like this (Texas will be decent by end of season, I agree with Dakich) will make us sweat much less.
December 7th, 2016 at 12:29 AM ^
We beat a better Texas team last year on a neutral court. We also won at NC State on the road.
December 7th, 2016 at 12:44 AM ^
This Texas team is 4-4 with a loss to UT Arlington. They are going to have to get a whole lot better for them to really help our resume come the end of the season.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:20 PM ^
It was ugly.
The D had some nice stops at the end of the game.
Zak, MAAR and Derek need to snap out of whatever twilight zone they've entered.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:18 PM ^
Great win but yea it looked ugly. I wish Irvin would play more aggressively instead of dribbling around until he pulls up a bad shot. Moe Wagner is a beast and we need to play him and DJ all game.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:21 PM ^
Irvin and Walton...woof
December 6th, 2016 at 11:21 PM ^
That was basketball?
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December 6th, 2016 at 11:23 PM ^
Tonight guaranteed a 10-3 finish in the non-conference barring a miracle win over UCLA. Much better position going into conference play than last year, with Marquette, SMU and Texas all being Top 50-ish wins. The B1G is so down this year. Only 3 teams in the KenPom Top 20. There will be a lot of opportunities to pick up wins. This team is a 7-10 seed.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:29 PM ^
Unfortunately those wins will mean less since the conference appears to be down. We'll probably need at least 12-6 record since the in-conference RPI will be weighed down. Hopefully the team will continue to compete hard.
December 7th, 2016 at 12:03 AM ^
How is Mich in a much better position than last year? We were 10-3 last year too.
RPI-wise, Marquette (94), SMU (104) and Texas (128) are nowhere near top-50. Last year's Texas win was a real boost because they were solidly top-50.
The one thing this season has over last is there's been only one blowout loss, but that could change soon enough.
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December 7th, 2016 at 1:16 PM ^
I was referring to KenPom. Marquette is #35, SMU is #49, and Texas is #70. I'd qualify those as Top 50ish. Texas will get better.
December 7th, 2016 at 12:41 PM ^
None of those 3 teams are even close to the Top 50 in rpi right now. Marquette is 88, SMU is 99 and Texas is 120. Unless those 3 teams improve a lot over the course of the season none of them will be Top 50ish wins and depending on how they do they might not even be Top 100 wins.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:23 PM ^
...of this team. Walton, Irvin, and Rahk probably are who they are at this point. They seem like solid guys, but you can't count on them to succeed offensively in each game.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:24 PM ^
We need to run the offense through Wagner.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:25 PM ^
The offense has major issues if South Carolina and this game are any indications.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:26 PM ^
SCAR is a good team. Texas is an NIT team.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:30 PM ^
They have some good players and young talent and are led by a proven coach with lesser talent. All the early losses will make it difficult, but I think they will continue to improve. NIT may be correct but I think they should be in the Bubble talk at the end of the season. This wasn't like losing to FAU...
December 6th, 2016 at 11:55 PM ^
I'm not super high on this team or anything, but we lost twice to decent teams.
December 7th, 2016 at 6:35 AM ^
ColeisCorky is talking about Texas, I think. The proven coach is Smart, and he expects the team to improve enough to be deserving of an NCAA bid.
December 7th, 2016 at 7:37 AM ^
Thank you. Yes, this is what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:27 PM ^
Snowflakes?!? We're in a God damned blizzard!
December 6th, 2016 at 11:28 PM ^
Walton had a bad game. His passes were not on the mark.
I will say though, the Defense has definitely improved. 2nd half Virginia Tech wasn't good, but the D is so much better this year. It will keep us in games like today when the shot isn't falling.
And I love Mo. Way more confident with the ball now. Has a ton of skill with the ball on his hands for a tall guy.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:30 PM ^
Fretting about attendance at a basketball game in December is the most pointless thing ever. Really. Does. Not. Matter.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:35 PM ^
If they were playing Furman then you'd have a point. If there was bad weather then you'd have a point. But they were playing Texas and there wasn't a blizzard.
December 6th, 2016 at 11:43 PM ^
The time is bad, but the student section was pretty full from what I heard from a friend who was there.
The non-students didn't show up again. The upper bowl endzones were empty.
December 7th, 2016 at 12:36 AM ^
The upper bowl endzone is a student section. That only fills up for when we play MSU, Indiana, or other very big games.
December 7th, 2016 at 12:37 AM ^
They should expand the Maize Rage. Nonstudent sections are useless.
December 7th, 2016 at 2:18 AM ^
There isn't a market for that many student tickets. You can make every section in the place a student section--it doesn't mean they'll come. Basketball will always be alongside hockey as 2A and 2B to football on campus, based on how good one or the other team is at the moment.
December 7th, 2016 at 8:26 AM ^
They're not entertaining or fun to watch. We'll need some excitement and inspiration to enter the building before it will be full in a December non-conference matchup again.
December 7th, 2016 at 9:40 AM ^
These Beilein teams are the antithesis of the Fab 5 teams. Everybody is bland, no stars and no one particularly fun to watch. Could've worse but it hurts to see us not have cashed in better on our deep runs a few yrs ago in the way of talent.
December 7th, 2016 at 12:18 PM ^
By "These Beilein teams," i'm assuming you are talking about just these past 3 seasons. The Hardaway/Burke/Stauskas teams were exciting, had stars and were fun to watch. Also, they won 2 Big Ten titles, unlike the F5.