Spring Roster Overanalysis
They're having the usual press conference and 30 minutes of drills and whatnot today, on the first day of spring practice, but there are a couple bits that have already come down. One is an updated spring roster that's missing Nick Sheridan—who is becoming a GA—and kicker Bryan Wright. Wright would have been a redshirt senior next year; apparently he's taking his degree and heading out. Wright did kickoffs last year, FWIW.
Position changes:
- As expected, Cam Gordon is listed at S. So are Brandin Hawthorne and Teric Jones.
- Mike Jones is listed at linebacker.
- Ryan Van Bergen is listed as a defensive end, providing yet further confirmation that he is the Graham apparent. Steve Watson, who was a quick end last year, is probably headed for strongside DE this year—he's listed at 257 and a DE.
Not a ton we didn't know about there. Roh and Herron are listed as linebackers, but they were listed as linebackers last year.
Significant weight changes:
| Player | 2009 | Spring | Diff |
|---|---|---|---|
| Quarterbacks | |||
| Tate Forcier | 188 | 194 | +6 |
| Receivers | |||
| Je'Ron Stokes | 181 | 187 | +6 |
| Jeremy Gallon | 165 | 171 | +6 |
| Roy Roundtree | 170 | 169 | -1 |
| Junior Hemingway | 220 | 227 | +7 |
| Darryl Stonum | 196 | 193 | -3 |
| Tight Ends | |||
| Martell Webb | 245 | 257 | +12 |
| Brandon Moore | 243 | 260 | +17 |
| Offensive Line | |||
| David Molk | 275 | 270 | -5 |
| Ricky Barnum | 275 | 282 | +7 |
| Elliot Mealer | 299 | 310 | +11 |
| Rocko Khoury | 283 | 291 | +8 |
| Patrick Omameh | 276 | 293 | +17 |
| Mark Huyge | 288 | 305 | +17 |
| Michael Schofield | 268 | 281 | +13 |
| Taylor Lewan | 268 | 283 | +15 |
| Quinton Washington | 325 | 307 | -18 |
| Defensive Line | |||
| Will Heininger | 261 | 271 | +10 |
| Ryan Van Bergen | 271 | 280 | +9 |
| Will Campbell | 318 | 324 | +6 |
| Craig Roh | 238 | 249 | +11 |
| Anthony Lalota | 256 | 263 | +7 |
| Greg Banks | 266 | 274 | +8 |
| Renaldo Sagesse | 279 | 285 | +6 |
| Adam Patterson | 263 | 272 | +9 |
| Linebackers | |||
| Kenny Demens | 236 | 244 | +8 |
| JB Fitzgerald | 230 | 239 | +9 |
| Obi Ezeh | 243 | 240 | -3 |
| Kevin Leach | 206 | 200 | -6 |
| Isaiah Bell | 220 | 237 | +17(!) |
| Mike Jones | 203 | 207 | +4 |
| Secondary | |||
| Jordan Kovacs | 194 | 200 | +6 |
| Justin Turner | 187 | 197 | +10 |
All weight changes, positive or negative, will be portrayed as positive by fluff articles. The names that jump off this list to me are…
- Tate Forcier: slightly less likely to get broken in two.
- Hemingway, Moore, and Webb are now strapping fellows indeed. I can't imagine Hemingway is going to be much of a deep threat at 227; if he is he's going to explode. You can tack freshman Stephen Hopkins in here, too: he's listed at 236. That's a battering ram of a tailback.
- Losing Brandon Graham sucks hard but replacing his 263 pounds with Will Campbell's 324 and tacking on 21 pounds (Mike Martin gained a single pound) elsewhere on the line yields a starting defensive line twenty pounds heavier on average than last year's. The backups all put on six to ten pounds as well, and will presumably get bigger by August.
- The line should be about the same size. Ortmann (284) and Moosman (293) exit and are likely to be replaced by Omameh (293) and Barnum (282). Schilling is about the same size. Molk is actually lighter, though I assume that's an effect of his injury-wracked year and rehab more than a goal. The only presumptive starter who will be a lot bigger is potential RT Mark Huyge, up 17. The new kids will continue to put on weight and Molk should regain what he lost, so overall it will be a little bigger but not by much.
- Schofield and Lewan probably need another year.
- I can't imagine that Michigan actually wanted Leach to get smaller.
- It's good that Michigan is putting weight on Will Campbell now instead of taking it off, right?
This concludes your vastly too detailed review of the spring roster. Carry on.
but, damn, if you wanted to stalk an ex girlfriend...
To put that weight on Campbell now. Mostly because there is no way he could gain that much without the coaches noticing. I know at most schools they weight they players before and after every workout for health reasons and replacements of fluids, but it also serves to let coaches watch how players are doing. That much of a weight gain is intentional.
Positive weight gained across the D-Line... YES please!
Lalota. I thought his issue was being in the 235 range, but at 263 (BG's weight) he obviously has the size to provide some depth on the line. He was a highly regarded recruit and would be a nice addition behind Roh and/or Van Bergen.
Looks like Bell followed the jamie mac off season plan by packing those pounds on
But, not the off season plan you think
but, seriously, 17 pounds?
Any trainers or lifters out there: What in the hell do you have to do to add 17 pounds of muscle? Isn't that a lot?
It has to be muscle right? I can't imagine them adding 17 pounds of pizza in this program.
Help me out.
Building leg strength puts on weight fast, but boy you have to eat lots
"Any trainers or lifters out there: What in the hell do you have to do to add 17 pounds of muscle."
Front page of the Freep: RichRod force feeds his players 'roids to gain otherwise impossible amounts of weight.
Actually, while 17 pounds is a lot of weight,it is not at all out of the realm of reasonable. I recently put on 10 pounts in about 3-4 months, and at 33, I am an old man compared to these kids. Assuming that the weight gain program started in late November, that is approximately 16 weeks, so about a pound a week. The guys who put on 17 pounds (even Bell) are big freekin dudes, so 17 pounds for then would be like the average person putting on 10-12 pounds in 4 months - totally reasonable. They are also 18-20 years old, lifting more consistently than most gym rats and probably eating diets that are focussed on muscle gain.
... was always going to beef up. When we recruited him all the services said he has a LB frame, so this shouldn't be too much of a surprise. I put on 10 pounds of (mostly) muscle from Freshman to sophomore years, and I only did that working out at the IM building 4 times a week and eating a lot of dorm food. These guys on programs, supplements, etc... not a surprise.
You can put on a lot of muscle weight in a given period (which is often followed by a long plateau of not putting on any).
"Be sure to drink your Ovaltine"
Now I'm 190. Yeah that was a year ago.. And yeah my metabolism is catching up to me.
(Hint it's not muscle)
Spent 7 months in the middle east desert with nothing to do but lift. Regularly did protein drinks with lifting and went from 170 to 198 in that time. Very possible to gain alot in short periods of time. Side effects thoug, couldn't run anymore (military required that), broke a vertabrae in my back and slipped two discs, still paying for all that to this day. Probably not smart to gain like that the way i did it.
broken vertebrae and slipped discs? sounds like technique was your issue, not volume and weight gain
Hawthorne at S is interesting. They were pretty clear about calling Brown's spot a LB last year so I don't think he is there like everyone thought he was.
Jones at LB. He's the lightest scholarship LB by far. so i'm not exactly sure what the game is. despite exhorting otherwise for a while, i think Brian called it. we'll see more of a 4-2-5, with two spurs, perhaps only one of whom will be capable of playing a deep half.
Not to hijack the thread, but I took a shot at explaining it here:
http://touchthebanner.blogspot.com/2010/03/what-will-michigans-defense-…
Hawthorne is a weak safety. Jones is now an inside linebacker (Mouton's spot).
a junior veteran on the team is showing the freshman this very post, saying "See, I told you they pay attention to everything!!"
I'm really excited about Lewan and Schofield getting stronger. This only increases their chances of cracking the lineup, even if they likely are still a year away. I would like to Lewan get the LT spot for his individual development and an eye towards the future, but it probably is unlikely.
And Washington getting slimmer can only help his chances at winning the other guard spot.
I think an o-line of Lewan (6'8 283), Schilling (6'5 303), Molk (6'2 270-275), Washington (6'4 307), and Omameh (6'4 293) is pretty solid. They should have good pass blocking from the left side and solid run blocking on the right, exactly how you want it.
The amazing thing is that Lewan is RS Freshman, Molk is a RS Junior, Washington is a RS Freshman, and Omameh is a RS sophomore, meaning our o-line will only lose Schilling. But the possibilities to replace Schilling are endless-- Barnum (RS SO), Mealer (RS SO), Khoury (RS SO), Huyge (RS JR), and Schofield (RS SO).
Is it practice time again already?
How long have you had that bad boy loaded and ready to drop on us?
It was first dropped on the board a few weeks back.
Foote Fetish told me I have to use it as often as possible. And what Foote Fetish says, goes.
I think you should keep using until the time where you don't get at least 25 up-votes.
In other words, I think you should keep using it for the foreseeable future.
I logged in specifically to posbang that gif.
March 17th, 2010 at 12:25 PM ^
The Awesome Scale will have to be recalibrated to sufficiently measure how awesome that .gif is.
This is amazing.
a million, billion, bazillion cocktails to you, sir.
On the audio, when he peers around the corner, he is asking, "Is it Media Day yet?"
So I'm sitting in a super dry genetics symposium at this work conference, see your comment and literally laugh out loud. I'm also sitting in the very back so a lot of people turned around to see who was laughing.
Mortifying slash completely worth it.
Good to see Roy back under 170. Dude was getting to be a load.
"No Fatties".
You call this a vastly too detailed review?? Where are the body fat %, max bench press and squats and real fake 40 times?
Your lack of attention to detail is the reason that ESPN is and will always be the worldwide leader . . .
/sarcasm
Those are some significant weight gains, esp. the OL. Isaiah Bell's HS coach was quoted as being surprised at how big he is now, I guess that's not an overstatement. I think he'll see some significant time this year and will be one to step up (re: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/who-do-you-think-steps-next-year).
Just curious, about one thing: I know that one of the criticisms of RR (other than the stupid "why are we taking so many 1-star kids from poor neighborhoods) has been that he does not recruit size on the lines, and that his focus on smaller, faster guys will simply not work in the B10. Just looking at the weights of our projected starting lines, I don't see our lines being much (or any) smaller than our lines in past years. We also have some pretty big bodies as back-ups.
Am I missing something, here, because this team certainly does not look any smaller up front that other teams in the B10 - just a bit younger.
You're not missing anything, you just happen to have a brain unlike the purveyors of that myth.
Both lines last year put relatively less pressure on the scale than previous teams. They were young. I don't think RR'/Barwis' approach is outside of the coaching mainstream in regard to building players up over time. (Or slimming the fat ones down.) It's natural. It's also not an earthshaking revelation that good defenses have big players. Ergo, with defensive players in 10 bigger than they were in 09, Michigan should allow fewer points.
Yay!
I just calculated the average weight for our projected OL starters (Dorrestein, Schilling, Molk, Omameh, Huyge), it's 295.2, and I expect that to be a pound or two bigger on average come the start of the season. That's not Wisconsin or Oklahoma big, but it's not a small line either.
Junior Hemingway is freakin' huge. He was already big and he just gained 7 more pounds. 227 pound WR is beastly.
FWIW, I think Dez Bryant is around 220 and he moves pretty well.
Hemingway isn't Dez Bryant. Hemingway wasn't fast to begin with. In fact, the reason he dropped in the recruiting rankings his senior year of high school was because scouts didn't think he had "big play ability" (aka speed).
Birkett couldn't even write his own apogoly at a2.com. You gotta wonder if a2.com would have even mentioned it if not for the mighty mgoblog bringing it up first.
more than a bit on this thread...
Hemingway is huge (227!), is he another WR switching to LB (just kidding, but damn).
Also, Leach, I don't know what is going on there. He's the size of a safety. Kovacs is the same size as him. There has to be some reason that he didn't put on more weight.
Yea I thought that was a real surprise. I hope that a lot of the weight isn't from fat from this offseason, even if it is then I'm sure he'll lose that all in spring training. But 227 will def. limit his ability as a deep threat which he did have the ability for last season.
how on earth is stonum 193 pounds? he looks like a toothpick.
Losing him at kicker isn't nothing. He had a pretty good year on kickoffs, IIRC.
That's what I was thinking also - I don't know the stat for his average kick, but I kind of remember he was solid on kickoffs.
...6'4"? Man, that sounds so much better than 6'2". That one shocked me the most. Love that height on the outside.
there's a decent chance we'll see him move inside.
Huge that we added so much weight on D-Line, especially Craig Roh.
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