OT: Ohio HS Football- Trail of Tears Banner
October 29th, 2016 at 10:21 AM ^
If I'm the American History teacher at that high school, I'm holding a good old-fashioned assembly on Monday morning.
Though I wonder if that would help, given that they apparently didn't do their job the first time around.
October 29th, 2016 at 10:46 AM ^
Well, a) they probably don't play skool in that area of ohio, and if they by chance happen to, they need to fire the history teacher(s) for doing a piss poor job. Good job junior cooler poopers!
October 29th, 2016 at 10:47 AM ^
Social Studies curriculum sucks in most states. Most don't start getting into actual history until AP classes.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:00 AM ^
Couldn't agree more. And I'm a History teacher.
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October 29th, 2016 at 10:47 AM ^
Apparently they don't teach history at Michigan State either as they seem to think football was invented 9 years ago.
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October 30th, 2016 at 9:36 AM ^
how that got on the field in the first place......were there not any "grown-ups" there....????
October 29th, 2016 at 10:27 AM ^
I'd be willing to bet that those cheerleaders are still proud. To be that ignorant to have that idea then take it that far?! They probably still don't understand what they did was terrible
October 29th, 2016 at 10:27 AM ^
We still have professional teams using Chief Wahoo and Redskins as a name.
October 29th, 2016 at 10:57 AM ^
It's almost 2017 and we still have a team called the "Redskins". Don't get me started on the whole "We're paying homage to a group of people" thing. Last I checked, there are no Native American tribes called the redskins. That only refers to the color of their skin followed by a stereotypical logo of a Native American person. Why not have a team called the "Blackskins", "Yellowskins", or "Whiteskins". Oh because THAT would be racist.
I hate the PC controlled environment as much as the next guy but it seems like as long as there is sports involved, it's fine I turn a blind eye to blatant stereotypes.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:38 AM ^
UM is playing a team named the Spartans.
A people who practice pederastes, ritually murdered their slaves, placed "weak" babies out in the wild to die, and launched wars of aggression. It was a proto-fascist society. Yet, we honor them.
The same for the Vikings. A bunch of thieves and murderers who, while innovative and who left a huge impact upon European history, were brutally rapacious.
Who we choose to honor says a lot about our values as a country. Honoring the Spartans and Vikings needs to end.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:46 AM ^
Yeah. You're so smart. You nailed it.
The Spartans were warriors of the highest order, and we honor THAT.
Would you rather they be the Fighting Bolsheviks?
October 29th, 2016 at 11:50 AM ^
I did nail it.
It's not my fault that you want to honor proto-fascists.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:52 AM ^
So were the Germany Army of 1939-45. Should we honor them as well?
I mean, all they did was take on the three most powerful countries the world has ever seen and held out for four years.
Your logic is bad and you should feel bad.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:48 AM ^
for the 1000 time, 89% of native Americans are NOT offended by the name Redskins. I'm sick of white people telling everyone else what's offensive.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:54 AM ^
Where do get these statistics?
I am willing to get that that number is mostly white people who think they are native.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:54 AM ^
90% of statistics are made up.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:48 AM ^
I wouldn't care if there was a team named the Fighting Redneck Crackas. But that's just me.
And I'm allowed to say the C word because I'm white.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:52 AM ^
back in the day, a hunter/trapper would come into town and sell his beaver pelts, squirrel pelts, dear hides, and red hides. Redskin was the PC term of its day to hide the fact that people got paid to kill Indians and their scalps were prove of kill.
Thus the dislike of the term.
October 29th, 2016 at 12:20 PM ^
the Redskins name. If you're "not pc" than stop finding offense where there mostly is none. I'm of Irish descent and I am not at all offended by Notre Dame, that dumb little leprachaun annoys me but that's another matter. The Huron tribe was actually in favor of calling the team "the Hurons" but the pc police, respoding to the perpetually "offended" miniscule minority (mostly non native americans) made them change the name.
If indeed "trail of tears" was put out there, yes, that is a much different situation than a team calling themselves something.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-amer…
October 29th, 2016 at 10:49 AM ^
When gameday was at Louisville for the FSU game this year, a UofL fan had a sign that said I-65 is the new trail of tears, I was taken back for a min. The ignorance is real
October 29th, 2016 at 10:54 AM ^
Unfortunate attempt at humor by 14-18 year old girls, and big fail by any adult who saw the sign before it hit the field.
Any southpark fans here?
"Girls are funny. Get over yourself"
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October 29th, 2016 at 10:56 AM ^
As someone actually of Cherokee descent (and damn proud of it), I have no issue with this. None whatsoever. With situations like this it always makes me wonder how people who aren't of our descent get so outraged and offended about something that doesn't pertain to their heritage.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:07 AM ^
I'm also of native Amefican descent ( they had migrated to what is now Mexico before the trail of tears) I'm not offended by this, but I still recognize they have gone to far. This society is messed up big time with political correctness, but it's still possible for something to be truly racist or cross the line of being acceptable. Also, on the related stories I saw this exact sign from 2013. A school in bama of course.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:06 AM ^
So if I'm not Jewish I can't be upset at someone mocking the holocaust? If I'm not black I can't be upset at someone for making light of slavery? I do know I'm human and making light the mass suffering of other humans is usually upsetting to some degree.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:13 AM ^
Very well said.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:16 AM ^
excellent point. also reminds about how people with kids say those without can't criticize their parenting.
i don't know how to fly planes, but if i go outside and see one in a tree, it's fair for me to say that pilot sucked.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:25 AM ^
Absolutely a fair point and of course you can. What was trying to say, though, is that it's almost always someone not of Native American heritage that expresses outrage about this (or the mascot issue), whereas the opinions, generally, of the Native American communities (not the interest groups or the leadership) generally don't align with that view.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:36 AM ^
Do you really think most native peoples are going to be absolutely OK with a Trail of Tears joke?
Really?
Speak for yourself and all that--but come. on.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:08 AM ^
by decent do you mean 100%, and still follow some cultural norms? because i have several navajo friends that grew up on reservations and have complete disdain for all these types of things. seems around here everyone with native background loves chief wahoo, the redskins, prefers to be referred to as indian, etc. seems like a major disconnect
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:29 AM ^
Many white people claim native ancestry.
Most of those do not. I am not saying that this is the case with Clarence Beeks, but many whites do falsely claim Native ancestry because they come from the lower rungs of European stock.(criminals, ignorant, etc)
It's quite amusing and annoying to see and share this. My maternal side did the same thing. No Native whatsoever. All Scottish and Irish.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:36 AM ^
...in which he looks at the ancestry of celebrities? A number of the African American guests thought they were partially of American Indian descent, but DNA tests have always shown that not to be true (last I saw). It seems that mistakenly claiming American Indian ancestors is a cross-racial American tradition.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:40 AM ^
White people. Particularly those with southern roots are far more likely to make these claims than any other group.
They are ashamed or ignorant of their own heritage so they try to claim others. It's pathetic.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:09 AM ^
There's always one.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:21 AM ^
Trust me, way more than just one.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:27 AM ^
...I think you have to agree that references to mass death/oppression for the sake of talking crap about sports are generally not a good idea. And it's possible to hold this position without being ready to jump out of a window over something like this. It was a bad idea. It's a chance for learning. Then we move on.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:12 AM ^
So, if this team were playing a Jewish school, like Brandeis, you would be okay with a sign saying, "Hey, Jews, get ready for another Holocaust."
Or maybe you deny that the Holocaust ever happened.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:22 AM ^
This might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Holocaust denier? Seriously? GFTO...
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:02 AM ^
Most high school kids don't even know who Boss Tweed was. Or David Bedford Forest or General Sheridan's infamous misquote. Or about Wounded Knee. Or about Colfax massacre.
This is not their fault.
This is the result of epic fail by teachers, administrators and districts and of course broken parents.
Dance around our history with pC narratives and refuse to teach about the utter brutality, and you get it all back in spades.
Sorry, but needs to be said.
Next time maybe
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:05 AM ^
Nathan Bedford Forrest.
Next time maybe.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:16 AM ^
Teachers' fault!
October 29th, 2016 at 11:25 AM ^
David Bedford Forrest..LOL.
The Wizard of the Saddle and the KKK name was Nathan Bedford Forrest
What is General Sheridan's famous misquote? Philip Sheridan is not quoted all that often.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:39 AM ^
"The only good Indian is a dead Indian," maybe? Popularly, but likely incorrectly attributed to Sheridan.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:36 AM ^
Screwing up facts in the middle of a rant about ignorance is perhaps not your best move.
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October 29th, 2016 at 1:49 PM ^
Our schools leave our students ignorant. They don't teach history no more. If they do it's the cheerful, glossed over bs. Read Howard Zins history of the US. That's a history book!
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October 29th, 2016 at 2:44 PM ^
You mean a heavily filtered checklist of grievances? That's just as bad as what you're decrying. It's good to have multiple perspective but Zinn's book is an agenda in printed form.
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October 29th, 2016 at 11:09 AM ^
I just have to wonder how many Native Americans actually reside in Hillsboro and why they chose to call their teams the Indians in the first place.
We should pass a law requiring all teams to be named for animals or plants. No more problems.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:15 AM ^
The Notre Dame Fighting Irises.
October 29th, 2016 at 11:20 AM ^
Fig things