2010 Recruiting: Carvin Johnson Comment Count

Brian March 1st, 2010 at 10:20 AM
Metairie, Louisiana - 6'1" 195

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Johnson (#1) tackling. Via

Scout 3*, #79 S
Rivals 3*, #33 S, #13 Louisiana
ESPN 3*, 76, #73 S
Others NR
Other Suitors Utah, Minnesota, Colorado, Tennessee, LSU (interest).
YMRMFSPA Jamar Adams
Previously On
MGoBlog
Commitment post. Johnson's coach drops in on Rivals. Johnson figures prominently in several editions of Friday Night Lights. A local coach offers a positive take.
Notes Will play box safety.
Film

When Michigan brought in Louisiana safety Carvin Johnson for an early November visit, he was the definition of a who-dat. The last thing Rivals had written about him was a four-month-old piece on Tulane's interest. When he committed, Tim scoured the internets for ratings and came up with this:

Scout Rivals ESPN
NR S NR DB Not in Database

As you can see, Johnson is a COMPLETE STUD that the recruiting services ABSOLUTELY LOVE and have even HEARD OF.

Naturally, people were skeptical. He and safety classmate Ray Vinopal have spent the last month or so talking about how they're going to prove their doubters wrong because most of the things people have said about them are "why aren't you Latwan Anderson?" and "argh."

That was then. If you'll look above you'll note that the recruiting services now have an idea who Johnson is and think he's kind of good. The three stars Johnson got from Rivals are not a perfunctory ok-you-committed-to-Michigan three stars. He's on the verge of a fourth star (the #11 player in Louisiana has four stars). While the other three star rankings are perfunctory, there's plenty of evidence that Johnson is not a MAC-level flier and is actually a guy who Michigan got in on while he was under the radar.

Why might Carvin Johnson, who played for Louisiana power Rummel, which made the state championship game and landed a ton of guys on the all-state team in the largest division, be under the radar?

What did you like least about the process?
Carvin Johnson: “I didn’t like anything about it. I don’t like all that, I really don’t. I don't like recruiting, I don’t like going to the recruiting camps. I don’t like all that, I just like to play, pretty much. You want to watch me play, come and watch me play."

Johnson totally avoided the camp and combine circuit, lowering his profile. LSU is now heavily dependent on its summer camp, so when Johnson didn't show he fell off their radar. Since Rummel's coach has his kids on serious lockdown—Carvin's in-season official visit was an extremely rare event for a coach who usually does not permit them—Johnson was virtually unknown to the sites when he committed.

Since that time there has been plenty of evidence that Johnson is a sleeper in the true sense of the word.

Item one: the above-mentioned re-rank. Rivals' enthusiasm derives from an in-person viewing($):

STRENGTHS: Johnson is a fantastic tackler. He can tackle in the open field or fill the alley. He brings a pop at the point of contact and always has the ball carrier falling backwards. Johnson is a smart safety in the run game, picking his spots to make an impact and not overpursuing or being too aggressive.
WEAKNESSES: Johnson doesn't look to have elite straight-line speed and he is more of a run-support safety than a coverage guy. - B.S.

Scout and ESPN did not mention such a viewing, so the positive Rivals take carries more weight. Also, while Michigan recruits do tend to get a second look that doesn't mean they all get a bump. DJ Williamson and Ray Vinopal both carry two stars at one site or the other.

Item two: his profile amongst coaches wasn't quite as low as it was a the recruiting sites. When Johnson committed, he had a number of offers from BCS schools:

Johnson, a returning All-District 10-5A selection and the top player on the state's undefeated and No. 2 ranked team in Class 5A,  had other official offers from Tulane, Minnesota, Colorado, Utah, Tulsa, SMU, Louisiana Tech, UL-M and Northern Illinois, Johnson and Rummel Coach Jay Roth said.

Minnesota, Utah, and Colorado aren't hugely exciting, but after Johnson committed LSU got on the phone with Rummel immediately. This was more than a cursory look. At about that point, LSU hired Tennessee RB coach Frank Wilson a job that he accepted. Wilson spearheaded a serious look at Johnson:

Frank was in town at Archbishop Rummel High School, taking a hard look at Carvin Johnson, who has verbally committed to Michigan. He likes the 6’1, 190 pound senior safety and may recruit him wherever he coaches next year. … He also opined that while LSU has gotten most of those outstanding home-grown players, they have either missed on or not recruited others, including the likes of Rummel’s Johnson.

Johnson did not reciprocate the interest and LSU eventually drifted away without an offer. Would Johnson gotten an offer if he had taken an official? That's not definite, but does seem possible. On Signing Day, Fred Jackson wove a tale of fending off a pair of unidentified SEC schools($) (and a horde of robot insects from Xazrak, this being Fred Jackson) at the last minute. In a Signing Day interview, Johnson confirmed that one of the schools was Tennessee.

Item three: local support. In the aftermath of the slightly downcast commitment post, this site received an unprompted email from a Louisiana football coach promoting Johnson's ability. Coach Ox:

Carvin Johnson is not even one of my players – but I have played against his Rummel team and know Jay Roth and his program well. Carvin Johnson can play. Here in LA, we do not send kids to camps to get hyped up. We know our kids can play. If a LA kid is going to combines, it is very much more than likely due to (a) his high school coach trying to get exposure for himself or (b) because his program isn’t any good, but he plays well. Trust me, this is how it is.

You are getting a solid player – big, physical, coached up, football smart.

(Clearly, Johnson is ticketed for the box safety role.) Meanwhile, scouring a local message board or two—"Carvin" is a terrific search term—reveals a few references, all of them positive. In a thread on Louisiana recruits that escaped the state, a poster claims a couple of in-state defensive backs are underrated, "especially Carvin." In a similar thread a couple of other posters pick Johnson as a guy LSU should have offered.

This is likely because Carvin was the "heart and soul" of Rummel's crushing defense. Stats:

Defensively, he's amassed 74 tackles, including two sacks, while forcing a fumble, breaking up three passes and recording seven interceptions. He's also been a key special teams' performer, returning 26 punts for 358 yards (13.8 yards per return) and two touchdowns.

By the end of the year, Johnson was first-team all state in the largest classification, winner of the local "Amateur Athlete of the Month" award, and on the Clarion Herald's all-decade(!) team. One thing that's been widely reported here and elsewhere he did not, in fact, accomplish: Johnson was not the state championship game MVP in a 30-0 loss. He was his team's MVP. Imprecise language on the part of some local reporters has let that bizarre, and sadly untrue, factoid loose.

Local reporters tend towards panting reactions:

Breaud was terrific, taking many huge hits, particularly from a human missile named Carvin Johnson and by linebacker Chris Randle. Johnson, who earlier this week committed to Michigan, returned a punt 69-yards for a score on a brilliant effort but the play was called back for a block in the back by Rummel.

So there you go.

Item four: character/coach fawning. If Justin Feagin taught us anything, it's don't scam an unstable burnout out of money because he'll try to burn South Quad down. But if he taught us a second thing, it would be "don't read too much into quotes." Even so, Rummel coach Jay Roth's lavish praise moves the needle with your blogger. This bit specifically:

A mid-year transfer after starting as a freshman at a New Orleans-area public school, Johnson showed up in Roth’s office one day three years ago and said, “Coach, I was at a program where the kids showed up late for practice and they weren’t held accountable and the coach didn’t work as hard as I want to be worked. I want to be challenged.”

More from Roth:

"But Carvin is a stud. When the word was out he committed to Michigan, my phone started ringing off the hook from the schools down here, but I told them it's too late.

"Carvin's told everyone that's tried to call that he's done. He's committed to Michigan."

More yet:

“First of all,’’ Roth said, “everybody who knows Carvin or who has been around him knows that he’s as good of a person as he is a football player. That’s a compliment to him and his momma. Football-wise, he’s a ballhawk. He’s always around the football making plays.’’

This one is self-evident:

"I cannot say enough about him and our defense."

After Johnson committed, Roth went so far as to hop on Rivals and answer a bunch of questions.

It is in these things that this site's recent optimism on Johnson is born. In this, he's like Vincent Smith last year: a player who initially drew a "meh" but by Signing Day was touted around here as one of the low-rated guys to watch out for in this class. Johnson isn't likely to have the same impact Smith did as a freshman—running back is always the easiest place to make an instant contribution—but he's this site's sleeper of the year.

Understatement of the Decade. Roth on Johnson:

“He’s a different kid. Very intense kid, look you in the eye, shake your hand firmly, hang on every word you say. And he’s not accustomed to losing. He doesn’t care for it too much.”

This is Johnson after Rummel's 30-0 loss—their first and only of the year—in the state championship game:

carvin-johnson-thrilled

Word, coach Roth. Word.

Why Jamar Adams? Adams was 1) a big safety who was good in run support, 2) a generic three star to the sites, and 3) a guy who came in with a buzz disproportionate to his rankings. He bore that buzz out quickly, starting a couple games as a freshman when Angry Michigan Safety-Hating God struck and establishing himself a three-year starter. Over the course of his career, Adams proved himself a reliable safety, a character asset, and solid starter. He was a fringe NFL player because of a lack of top-end athleticism.

Guru Reliability: Low. Johnson was unknown until the Michigan commitment and the re-rank after that was based on game observations, sans all star or combine appearances. Also there's a considerable spread.
General Excitement Level: Moderate plus. I'd rather have a guru-approved kid, all things being equal, but this point Johnson has shed the who-dat label and appears to be a solid find for Rodriguez & Co. Roth's praise indicates a kid who will be a program asset, as well.
Projection: Might have a chance to contribute early since box safety is sort of vacant and classmate Marvin Robinson did not enroll early, but the best bet is for a redshirt and then some development time with an eye towards starting in years 3, 4, or 5. Could fill out to play linebacker or spinner.

Etc.: A couple action shots.

Comments

Crime Reporter

March 1st, 2010 at 10:28 AM ^

This quote sums up his attitude perfectly:

“I don't like recruiting, I don’t like going to the recruiting camps. I don’t like all that, I just like to play, pretty much. You want to watch me play, come and watch me play."

I think we landed a good one.

MGoShoe

March 1st, 2010 at 12:12 PM ^

Love me some archaic English usages. First time I read the post I thought it said you couldn't wait to see Carvin play whist wearing the maize and blue.

That would be cool too, I suppose, since I love me some archaic English card games as well.

Wolverine 73

March 1st, 2010 at 10:41 AM ^

in case anyone is still wondering about Latwan Anderson, today's Plain Dealer (print only, apparently) reports that he cancelled his visit to SC because his mother did not want him to play so far away; he has scheduled a visit to Miami, where he has relatives in the vicinity; and "it's down to West Virginia or Miami."

MGoShoe

March 1st, 2010 at 10:47 AM ^

...and approach to the game. I try not to get too excited about recruits, but Carvin sure does seem to have the potential to turn out to be a special athlete.

Don

March 1st, 2010 at 11:03 AM ^

that RR knows a little bit more about football talent than your average stars-obsessed poster on Rivals, Scout, and MGoCrack.

leftrare

March 1st, 2010 at 11:06 AM ^

The comparisons of Carvin to Mike Hart as a sleeper are interesting. Both were Alpha players on their respective teams. Both are smart "football players" and good young men.

The factor working for Carvin is he's actually played at a much higher level of competition and appears to have had some good coaching. In contrast, Mike was simply a one man wrecking crew who scored touchdowns almost as often as he was tackled by his weaker opponents.

I haven't been this excited to see an unsung recruit get a shot since -- Mike Hart.

WolvinLA2

March 1st, 2010 at 11:14 AM ^

I like Carvin as the sleeper of the year. Those recruiting services, from what I've seen, put a lot of weight on those combine performances and all-star games. Not that those things aren't important, but it gives severe prejudice to kids who choose not to attend.

It sounds like he's a very hard worker, and he played at a high level the last couple years. Physically, if he's already 195, he might be able to skip that redshirt altogether.

If nothing else, I'm convinced that between him and Marvin, we've found a multi-year starter at box safety.

bronxblue

March 1st, 2010 at 1:34 PM ^

I feel the same way. Joe Boisture is currently walking around with a 4*, and we all know the controversy that swirls around him.

I'm confident that Carvin will be a player at UM and prove to be a nice little sleeper. At this point, I don't expect anyone to be Bob Sanders or Troy Palomalu out there; just tackle and don't let RBs and TEs get past you.

jaggs

March 1st, 2010 at 11:53 AM ^

2:15 better.

Sidenote, was it just me or did it seem for a half dozen or so of his pass breakups he was hitting the WR a millisecond too soon? Potential for some flags there...

Love this guy, I can see a 3-year starter and defensive captain in his future.

HokeHogan

March 1st, 2010 at 11:28 AM ^

he must have gone to the ronnie lott school of tackling. find a spot behind them and go right through your man to that point! maybe a future lb?

Frank Drebin

March 1st, 2010 at 11:30 AM ^

I am actually hoping for MRob to move to LB so we can get Carvin on the field as the box safety. He is definitely one of my favorite recruits in the class. I think he has a chip on his shoulder and wants to be pushed. While he may not see the field this year, I could see him as a quality 2 or 3 year starter.

Six Zero

March 1st, 2010 at 11:49 AM ^

Actually went to school at Rummel's sister school, and she couldnt' believe that an AR player wasn't going to an SEC school. He's gonna miss his dressed shrimp po'boys so far from home, but I think we got lucky here, fellas...

MGoShoe

March 1st, 2010 at 12:28 PM ^

Can be found on Zingerman's Roadhouse lunch menu.

Speaking of which, has anyone ever thought of introducing our southern contingent to this fine eating establishment? Just the knowledge of the availability of such good down home cooking might just assuage some of the attendant homesickness. Consider the possibilities when they talk to their boys back home about the advantages of becoming a Wolverine.

1. Big House mystique
2. Most wins/best winning percentage
3. World class practice facilities and S&C staff.
4. On TV every week
5. Rivalries as strong/stonger than any they grew up with
6. Academics
7. Best burgers (Blimpy Burger), best deli (Zingerman's Deli), best southern comfort food (Zingerman's Roadhouse).

Wolverine90

March 1st, 2010 at 1:50 PM ^

Dear god... Zingermann's stand at Michigan Stadium... I'd instantly move and live the rest of my life in Ann Arbor if that ever happened... Ordering a Zingermann's Turkey Reuben at half time under the sun, next to a sea of maize n blue wearing fellow Wolverines, while we're up 20-7 on Ohio State... Top 3 lifetime moment if that ever happened.

spam and beans

March 2nd, 2010 at 3:43 PM ^

New Orleans is my adopted home town. There are only three things that we do well down here; food, parades, and highschool football. That is it. You will not impress a true New Orleans resident with Yankee food masquerading as southern let alone as cajon or creole. Even if by some miracle Zingerman's Po Boy is as good as the Po Boys down here (impossible) no one down here would ever admit it. Take him to Blimpy Burger, take him to the deli. But for all that is good and holy, don't take him to anything that you would consider "cajon". It will bring on homesickness and disappointment. FWIW I gained 40lbs in one year when I moved here.
Laissez les Bon Temps Roulez

MGoShoe

March 2nd, 2010 at 9:22 PM ^

...understands why it has the reputation it has for food. That said, trust me when I say that the Roadhouse is the real deal. I live in the south, so I've had my share of down home cooking. This is not Yankee food masquerading. Next time you're in A2, check it out with an open mind and come with an empty stomach.

snowcrash

March 1st, 2010 at 12:05 PM ^

A safety who reads plays and tackles well sounds good to me. I like guys who were leaders of good high school defenses, but I think it would be interesting to see if they tend to do better at the college level than their recruiting ranking suggest they would.

Tim Waymen

March 1st, 2010 at 1:00 PM ^

I don't even know if I'm rational, but for some reason Carvin Johnson is the player I'm most excited about this year.

RR and his staff deserve credit--they seem to do their homework when it comes to recruiting.

aaamichfan

March 1st, 2010 at 1:17 PM ^

Great all-around fundamentals. I wish either he or Marvin had enrolled early, because I would feel a lot better about the box safety position next year.

bronxblue

March 1st, 2010 at 1:37 PM ^

I love that picture of him with the second-place plaque. That's the type of disappointment you want to see from a kid who just fell a bit short. I'm not saying it has to consume him, but the one concern I've had with the recent rough stretch is that kids will get "used" to losing, that they'll just accept 3-4 losses a year as acceptable. I saw that with Moehler toward the end as well as Carr, and you just can't have that. He might be a freshman, but a guy who is used to winning will hopefully make it known to his less, um, "passionate" teammates that losing to MSU or OSU again is unacceptable.

steelymax

March 1st, 2010 at 1:51 PM ^

Good to see Rodriguez nabbed this guy under the radar, but for Michigan's secondary to improve (or even become competent), Johnson needs to be an absolute monster.

... if only Warren stayed.

Wolverine90

March 1st, 2010 at 1:57 PM ^

Hmmm, Lorena Bobbit carved off J Dubs Bobbit's Johnson right around the time "Carvin Johnson" was born ('92-'93ish)... There's an US Weekly article in there somewhere... Regardless, looks like an awesome kid, and given his under-the-radar, underdog status, will definitely be a Big House favorite. I hereby christen CJ "UnderGod." Here's rooting for you kid!!!
GO BLUE!!

Huntington Wolverine

March 1st, 2010 at 3:21 PM ^

I was amazed at how quickly he responded to the play as it unfolded. I wonder if they were in a situation in the game that made a hook and ladder more likely because he didn't seem to break stride when his teammate tackled the first receiver. That's tough/impossible to know from a highlight video though. Great diagnosis and nose for the ball.

mgovictors23

March 1st, 2010 at 3:32 PM ^

This kid is going to be a flat out player down the road. It will be interesting to see if he atually gets a redshirt or not because he could be like Mike Jones and just play special teams his freshman year.

trueblueintexas

March 1st, 2010 at 7:28 PM ^

I know the kid is not even on campus yet, but I see one of two paths: 1) He is far more of a player than any of the recruiting sites expect. 2) The team gets a great attitude and personality who may not have all of the physical tools a great starter would have but helps the team win. Either way, glad he was part of this class.

c williams

March 1st, 2010 at 11:20 PM ^

"Carvin" is what opposing QBs have been doing to our secondary for a few years. Apparently, now we're doing it to ourselves.

Actually, how could you read that piece and not being pulling for this kid?