Can Coach Beilein Survive Another Season Like This?
Yes?
Keep doing the below average "scouting reports" and posting NSFW material to supplement poor site traffic.
This seems irrelevant.
But thank you for the encouragement.
My guess is Magnus has more fans here than you.
I would really hope he has more "fans" than I do.
Like, a Dave Brandon level douche. If you really hate Magnus' stuff so much, then point it out when he actually posts something that represents the "below average scouting reports" or "NSFW material". You posted this shit when all he did was reply with a one word answer to your question. In other words, you went out of your way to be an ass. You would make DB proud.
Are you really on here to get fans? Yikes
Who are you replying to?
15 people agreeing with this likely means a relatively high subset of MGoBloggers agree with me. This is nothing against you personally, I just would expect a higher degree of insight, and less NSFW material. Relying with snark to a legitimate question is actually trolling. What I did was simply voicing a complaint.
Kudos to you!
think you are a dick. Let's poll that.
What you don't get is that it is what he wants...who gives a shit whether you approve of it or not. There is some good info there. IF you have such a problem with the NSFW material, don't go there. Didn't realize this was such a problem.
Nice. Try to play the nice guy angle by saying your kid went to Beilein's camps, then completely trash Magnus when he posts his answer to your question.
Yes?
If you don't appreciate TTB, don't visit. No need for a cheap shot from left field.
op is a troll and always has been
Huh? I post like once or twice a month, and zero of it has been of a trolling quality.
At least be factual. His site doesn't post NSFW content. I would prefer nudes and straight porn mixed in with my football reading, but can't make everyone happy
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I see your user name and read it as MGoVoldeTroll. You are a troll. All trolls claim thet have "zero [posts] of trolling quality."
Says one of the trolliest trolls to ever troll.
Seems like a legitimate question to me. Calling someone a troll doesn't make it less so.
Yeah...Fuck him for taking the time to give us free and knowledgable content. We need more posters like you that rehash the same tired topic.
a failing basketball team brings out the asshole in all of us
I couldn't give a shit less. They could lose every single game and it wouldn't affect me.
If you want a better answer then ask a better question. Open ended questions are your friend. A closed ended question gets a yes or no response everytime.
is Voldemort German for douche?
below the belt. Curious that you would undermine your own post this way. Foot, meet bullet.
What a way to treat a fellow Michigan fan. With friends like you....
It would be extremely difficult to lay exclusive blame on coach when he had to deal with the injuries he's had to this year. When we talk about us having perspective then add that to the equation. Our best player was out for basically the whole year. That is a death blow in basketball terms. There is no other team sport where one player can make or break a season like basketball. The year we went to the finals if we didn't have Burke we probably make the first cut and not get out of the round of 32. And this can be in large part do to people not being ready to assume the mantle of leader. So yeah he gets a pass from me.
We made the elite 8 without McGary two years ago...
Oh the irony
Not being ready to assemble the mantle of leadership boils down to recruiting players that can be leaders and not just jump shooters. It's not his coaching that is the problem, it's his recruiting. He has a bed of talent with 80 miles in each direction, and he can't get any of it.
People who believe that a coach who went to the Championship games just a few years ago (and lost to a cheater),should be fired because of a couple of mediocre season is the very reason why college sport is going to hell in a handbasket.
I sort of agree with this. When you have three great years like Beilein did between 2012 and 2014, I think you make a substantial deposit into the "sports fan goodwill" account. But I also think that his teams underacheived spectacularly this year and the last, and there's no sugar coating the unmitigated disaster that was the 2016 recruiting class. Those are like withdrawals from that goodwill account. I agree with you that fans who are ready to pull the plug now are being unrealistic and unnecessarily harsh given teh entirety of his record. But I also feel that the account's funds are dwindling.
The question posed is whether a third straight season like 2015 and 2016 would put Beilien's job in jeopardy. I think that it would, and I don't think that's unreasonable at that point.
Not to sound like Tom Izzo, but basketball is largely dependent on one or two players. When your star player misses the majority of conference games for two years, that's going to have an impact on your record. Toss in the fact that Walton missed a bunch of time last year, and Albrecht has missed almost the entire season, and injuries are a big part of it. I don't think a coach should be fired because his players get injured. However, if I were the A.D., I would be looking into the medical care and training the players are receiving. Maybe it's just a freak coincidence of injuries, but it's something that needs to be addressed in some way.
I agree with your statements about the man. It's hard to want him gone but we are a tire fire with no hope in sight.
Come on, I'm frustrated too, but we aren't anything close to a tire fire. We finished 10-8 in the Big Ten and are just two years removed from our last Big Ten title. And we haven't had anything resembling the extracurricular stuff that a lot of other programs are dealing with now. We're just boring, and we look like a program that might continue to be boring for awhile.
Agreed, tire fire was probably a little inflammatory, but should we settle for boring? I don't think we should.
8 of those 10 wins were against the bottom half of the conference.
Make sure you include that when you boast about 10 wins in conference. This fan base desperately needs perspective.
And all 8 losses were to the top half. We're the definition of an average Big Ten team right now. We beat the bad ones and lose to the good ones and we're neither of those things (bad or good). We're boring. We aren't a tire fire, but we're boring.
Yup and I fully expect UM should be more than average. I don't want to become Illinois. A team that once one excellent that has just became average.
And after two average seasons, you're willing to fire the coach that just recently brought us big ten titles and a national title appearance.
Talk about needing perspective.
Actions like that are what doesn't allow a program to develop any kind of consistency. It drives away both potential coaches and potential recruits. Seasons where you win 20 games and 10 wins in conference get you fired? Nobody in their right mind wants to be a part of that. So you fire Belein and are forced to go with a subpar candidate, which sets the program back even farther.
Two average big ten seasons isn't nearly enough to call for a coaches head. Look at where we were prior to Belein. He has done wonders for the program, and you would call for his job after a 20 win season?
You keep saying 20 wins as if it means something. We're going to the NIT unless we pull out a miracle and beat Indiana. But, thinking about that 28-0 run we gave up to them on our home court doesn't inspire much confidence that we can pull it off.
I keep saying 20 wins because 20 wins is the number of wins we have. That's what it means. 20 wins isn't a bad total. Not by any means. Is it where we want to be as a program? No. But as a program we also don't want to unexpectedly lose our top two players every year. You have to figure that with both LeVert and Spike, we would have had a much better season. They are, without a doubt, better than their replacements.
Injuries happen. Unexpected departures happen. But when they do, and your team still manages to win over 60% of their games and finish above .500 in the Big Ten, you shouldn't be calling for your coach's head. 20-11 isn't a record where you should be considering firing your coach when you lost your top two players. That's what I'm saying. Just two years ago, we won 28 games. The year before that, we won 31. 20 wins isn't the norm under Belein.
Actually 20 wins and sitting well on the bubble (or off it like this year) is exactly the norm for Beilein. It's those 28 and 30 win teams that make the elite 8 or beyond that are the very rare exceptions.
But look deeper into the numbers. All of our losses except one was by double-digits. We feasted on weak teams this year and really haven't looked competitive against squads with decent talent. Spike and Caris are good players but they were on the floor when we got beat by UCONN, SMU and Xavier too.
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lost games even with their best players on the court. What is your point?
Actually we have 19 wins not 20.
But as a program we also don't want to unexpectedly lose our top two players every year.
1) If Spike is one of your "top two players" - you're already screwed.
2) It's pretty hard to call the loss of Spike "unexpected". He had TWO hip surgeries before the season. Him actually playing any significant amount this season would have been "unexpected"
3) You should recruit expecting to lose players regularly - either to injury or the NBA.