January 15th, 2016 at 2:51 PM ^
This surprises......NO ONE.
Good luck, Mr. Green.
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January 15th, 2016 at 2:51 PM ^
Lotta Florida chatter. Could his first game be against ... us?
January 15th, 2016 at 2:52 PM ^
Grad transfer. He will be a senior and playing next fall.
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January 15th, 2016 at 3:43 PM ^
I see what you did there. Best of luck to Green. Perhaps a fresh start in new environment will help.
January 15th, 2016 at 3:02 PM ^
Just like Green getting tapped on the ankle.
Seriously though, good luck to him wherever he ends up.
January 15th, 2016 at 5:13 PM ^
real deal and should clearly play before De'Veon (or anyone else) to make public admissions they were wrong.
You know who you are.
Let's hear it.
January 15th, 2016 at 8:56 PM ^
how sad must your life be
January 15th, 2016 at 10:10 PM ^
MayOhioEatTurds eat turds
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January 15th, 2016 at 10:13 PM ^
I just watched that episode of "The League" a couple hours ago. Heh. Heh heh.
January 15th, 2016 at 10:42 PM ^
Hysterical series, tailed off in the final season however.
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January 15th, 2016 at 2:52 PM ^
I remember how happy I was the day he picked M. Wish it would have panned out. Good luck Derrick!
January 15th, 2016 at 2:52 PM ^
I was, too. He just had really bad coaching his first couple of years.
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January 15th, 2016 at 2:54 PM ^
did coach Jackson teach him how to miss holes and fall over on first contact?
January 15th, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^
And show up to his first camp overweight?
January 15th, 2016 at 9:38 PM ^
Admittedly the overweight thing was very disappointing/confusing.
There's a lot of research showing how young, single-sport athletes can easily burnout. And there's no question that this kid did a lot of work (hiring personal trainers to drop from 270+lbs) during his high school career in order to become the #1 ranked back in the country. Not to mention, with the media-attention and the recruiting services these days, not everyone can be prepared to deal with all the attention(how do you learn to, really?), which can lead to mental burnout as well.
All the hype that #1 RB in the nation brings, cannot be very easy to deal with.
Plenty of players don't pan out in college (hell, even the brightest high-school students can end up transferring to elswhere for a better fit), being a "5-Star Recruit" only makes it more noticeable.
January 15th, 2016 at 5:44 PM ^
Dude, Jackson has coached far bette and succeeded, Green was the problem! Good luck to him!
January 15th, 2016 at 9:26 PM ^
Who since Mike Hart?
Meanwhile, guys that he's coached that haven't done much at Michigan besides one year of healthy Fitz have had success elsewhere and a few of them have had success in the NFL despite never having major success at Michigan.
It's sad that a kid transfers from Michigan and people want to make fun of him just because he was highly recruited.
Read this thread and then read the Terry Richardson or the RT-D threads. Completely different. Was Green a bad kid or is it just because he was a 5* prospect once in his life we can crack jokes?
Anyway, Fred Jackson shouldn't get all the blame - no, that's silly. We had poor OL, poor OL coaching, and the athlete himself could've likely done things to get better and be better. But I'm not going to sit up here and defend Jackson either...because it's not like he was showing he was doing anything else as of late. I'm sorry, but living off the 90s, Perry and Hart isn't enough in 2015 or 2016. It just doesn't cut it...sometimes people get old and it's time of them to go.
Steve Spurrier and Frank Beamer are LEGENDS...doesn't mean either is the coach today he was 10-15 years ago.
January 15th, 2016 at 10:08 PM ^
At the very least, I would take Brandon Minor over Derrick Green. I'd add Toussaint, too. Maybe Carlos Brown as a senior. There have been a few.
January 16th, 2016 at 9:14 AM ^
I would take them all too...
That's not my point. My point is that none were rockstars. My point was Jackson had no one to the level of Hart or his predecessors.
Mike Hart ran here almost 10 years ago!
People are still acting like Jackson was a great coach because of his overall resume.
Which is why I made the comparison to legends Spurrier and Beamer.
Jackson could still identify talent. No question. He just couldn't coach it up the way he could before.
January 16th, 2016 at 11:13 AM ^
I think your argument is misleading. Maybe even misinformed.
Mike Hart had a little over 1,000 carries for a little over 5,000 yards.
Brandon Minor had 1/3 as many carries for approximately 1/3 as many yards.
Both averaged 5.0 yards/carry. Hart's 67 touchdowns are a little more than three times as many as Minor's 20 touchdowns.
I can't sit here and agree with you that Jackson hasn't coached a running back well since Hart. Minor's production was just as good as Hart's, although injuries (and backing up Hart for two years) held down his production.
Also, when Fred Jackson was the coach in 2014, ALL THREE of Michigan's primary tailbacks (Smith, Green, Johnson) had better yards per carry than they did in 2015 under the younger, NFL-experienced, more exciting Tyrone Wheatley, Jr. The OL supposedly improved this year, and yet the yards per carry dropped by .6, 2.4, and 1.0 for each player, respectively.
The negative Fred Jackson narrative is flat-out wrong or, at the very least, blown out of proportion.
January 15th, 2016 at 2:59 PM ^
nah bad coaching or not, green is just not very good. Hes fast for his size but as soon as he gets touched,its a wrap.
January 15th, 2016 at 3:21 PM ^
He didn't want to be good.
January 15th, 2016 at 3:30 PM ^
What was he like the top half back in the country out of high school? How in the hell do you get that much praise and then not be able to do anything? I don't think I ever saw him fight for one yard after contact. He leveled a db against Rutgers one time if I remember right. Damn I shoud've lifted weights harder and got better grades.
January 15th, 2016 at 3:32 PM ^
I believe said leveling of Rutgers DB is when he injured his shoulder.
January 15th, 2016 at 4:12 PM ^
He's theoretically graduating in 3.5 years, so I don't think grades were a real issue.
January 15th, 2016 at 4:58 PM ^
He is not talking about Derrick Green's grades.
January 15th, 2016 at 3:04 PM ^
As a freshman in 2012, Green ran for 3.3 ypc. Similar to future NFL starter Fitz Toussaint (3.5 ypc). 2 years earlier (when still coached by Fred Jackson, but with a very good OL and offensive scheme), Fitz Toussaint ran for 5.6 ypc.
Green ran for 5.7 ypc in 2014 (when he was coached by Fred Jackson).
Last year (not coached by Fred Jackson) he ran for 3.3 ypc.
I think it's pretty reasonable to consider that the bigger issues here are OL-related than RB-coach related.
January 15th, 2016 at 3:14 PM ^
Anyone with eyeballs could see that Green wasn't an effective back. What's the use of a back that big that flops like a sack of potatoes at first contact and lacks vision and toughness even if he does have above average speed for his size? Additionally anyone with eyeballs could see Fitz was a good back, observing his timely cutting and decent burst.
January 15th, 2016 at 5:03 PM ^
I wonder if the "anyone with eyeballs" perceptions of '12 Toussaint would be different if Toussaint hadn't already been so productive in 2011 and 2010.
I don't think Green is better than Toussaint, by any stretch - but blaming it on Jackson or 'vision' isn't really logical either. Given the year-by-year changes of individual running backs and similarities in production levels of different backs in the same year make it seem like there's more to it.
Everything is pretty easily explained by ineptitude of Brady Hoke and Al Borges steadily driving Rodriguez's offense into the ground and OL personnel/lack of development.
January 15th, 2016 at 3:20 PM ^
Is Derrick Green. He's just not very good. Every RB can make things happen occasionally with struggles on the o-line, whether it be with burst, cutting ability, shedding tackles, etc... Green showed basically none of that. There is not a single attribute about his running that stood out.
Wish him the best of luck, and he seemed like a good dude, but what a huge bust.
January 15th, 2016 at 3:24 PM ^
If Fred Jackson & Ty Wheatly can't get him to produce I wish him good luck in his future endeavors.
January 15th, 2016 at 3:32 PM ^
We're going to fill up a thread, that he's probably going to read, talking about how much he sucks instead of wishing him the best?
Is this Mlive?
Good luck Mr. Green. I hope you rush for 1k yards wherever you chose to play.
January 15th, 2016 at 3:36 PM ^
Is it not? If a bunch of keyboard jockeys like ourselves offend him, then he's not fit to be a collegiate or professional athlete.
January 15th, 2016 at 3:57 PM ^
Thank you. everyone is so worried about feelings. jeez, no one gets ahead worrying about hurt feelings.
January 15th, 2016 at 4:14 PM ^
There's not worrying about hurt feelings, and then there's just being mean. Some poeple can't tell the difference.
Sure I was frustrated with Green, but I wish him well, because I'm not vindictive (about this kind of stuff). It feels good. Highly suggest it.
January 15th, 2016 at 4:31 PM ^
The guy's not a good running back. It's nothing against him as a human being. I'm sure he'll go on to do wonderful things for the community.
But when it comes to the sport that he participates, he sucks. I'm sure he's heard worse throughout his career, people like me and the other critics shouldn't offend him.
January 15th, 2016 at 5:13 PM ^
It's gross overstatements like "he sucks" that show people to be either mean or deliberately ignorant.
Green was a disappointment, but hardly a "bust."
There are critics, and then there are assholes. You can tell them apart because the assholes use phrases like "he sucks."
January 15th, 2016 at 6:35 PM ^
I find it hard to believe that in your entire existence of watching sports, you haven't said a player "sucks."
He was hardly a bust?? Did you pay attention to the hype and the actual on-field performance? If he's not a bust, who is??
Relax dude. Like I said, this has NOTHING to do with him as a human being. I play basketball, I'm decent, but I'm sure people have said, "Man, that dude sucks." In fact, it's been said to my face when I was younger. That's how people are. I don't take it as an insult to my status as a person.
Again, if he can't handle people being critical and he gets all teary-eyed reading a message board, then he's not going anywhere in his PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL CAREER. Notice what I put in caps, because I'm sure he will excel in whatever venture he does.
January 15th, 2016 at 9:01 PM ^
says someone who'll (hopefully) never have to worry about public ridicule--just insignificance.
January 15th, 2016 at 4:18 PM ^
Michigan's other running backs seemed to do okay this year. Smith was at 4.2 yards/carry, Isaac was at 6.8 yards/carry, Drake Johnson was at 5.0. Green was almost a full yard per carry below anyone else who got significant carries (so not including Karan Higdon).
January 15th, 2016 at 5:07 PM ^
Green ran for 5.7 ypc while Smith ran for 4.8 ypc. Do you think they just really missed Fred Jackson this year?
OR - did the OL suck really bad at run-blocking as advanced stats indicate?
January 15th, 2016 at 5:36 PM ^
So...they averaged 5.7 yards/carry and 4.8 yards/carry, but the blocking sucked?
January 15th, 2016 at 5:50 PM ^
because those stats came mostly against bad teams and were inflated by Nussmeir running on 3rd and long a lot.
Run blocking was bad last year -- it was even worse this year.
January 15th, 2016 at 6:31 PM ^
...but the other running backs did better than Green this year. By a significant margin. And Smith/Johnson's yards didn't come against worse opponents.
January 15th, 2016 at 4:37 PM ^
Most of his yards in 2014 came from two games
170 vs appalachian state
137 vs Miami-OH
164 yards in other 4 games that he played, average 3.8 ypc.
January 15th, 2016 at 5:18 PM ^
This is my larger point - when RBs get good blocking they will produce, as Green did. Scheme and OL (and of course how good the D is) are a far bigger factors in run game production than RB ability. But it's easier to just say Fred Jackson is lazy and Derrick Green sucks.
I don't think Green is a great back. I agree he goes down easy. But he's good enough to have played ahead of Thomas Rawls, to split carries with Fitz Toussaint, and to start over DeVeon Smith (at least in the opinion of both Borges, Nussmeir, and of course Hoke.) He was good enough to be ahead of Ty Isaac and Karan Higdon for much of the season. He was good enough for Nussmeir (apparently) to want to coach him again.
Nussmeir is a solid OC. His endorsement should tell you something. It should mean more to you than
how awful Green looked running behind the worst run-blocking Michigan OLs in memory.
January 15th, 2016 at 2:54 PM ^
Good luck to DG
January 15th, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^
I envisioned him running for 200 yards in East Lansing, & in the postgame interview saying how motivated he was by the crowd chanting "Go Green."
Wish it had worked out that way...
January 15th, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^
Ditto. That was right when I first started to follow recruiting more closely, and Green was the first player I was super hyped about. Learned my lesson since the. Starz are great, but ultimately what matter is production on the field. Best of luck to the kid.
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January 15th, 2016 at 3:07 PM ^
or anyone for that matter, but I remember looking at his film and thinking "number one RB in country?" His film did not look super impressive but in any case, far better evaluators than I thought he was excellent, cause they all wanted him. Just shows what an inexact thing projecting talent is