Rashan Gary Argument
So my friends and I got into an argument. One of my friends is an OSU fan and the other one is an MSU fan. They told me that IF Rashan Gary committed, then he would start immediately on the d-line. I argued that there was no way in hell because our entire d-line next year is filled with seniors who can play at a high level. I also said that he might become heavily involved in the rotation but not starting. Then my friends said that he is more talented than anyone on that d-line right now, and you have to play the best players no matter what. I'm wondering what you guys think about this? Would Gary sit behind an experienced defensive line or start ahead of all of them like my friends think?
January 10th, 2016 at 7:33 AM ^
I don't think he'd start, but get some PT.
January 10th, 2016 at 8:36 AM ^
The modern d lineman rarely plays all the snaps. Even the best teams rotate two deep into the game constantly so he'll get time on that two deep right away but based on performance and potentially injuries, who knows by the middle of the season. The one good thing (at least in terms of breaking in new players) is that the hard part of our schedule is the second half. Our non-Conf is pretty easy and we start the B1G season with some of the softer teams.
January 10th, 2016 at 1:32 PM ^
we might have things out of order.
lets have the lad commit first, then argue.
January 10th, 2016 at 1:54 PM ^
talk about a nice problem to worry about, makes me smile!!!!!
or cackle with glee!!!
January 10th, 2016 at 2:49 PM ^
lets hope we have them soon re: gary's playing time.
January 10th, 2016 at 2:11 PM ^
Nonsense, that's such a loser mentality to have.
To answer the OP: Gary will backup Hand.
January 10th, 2016 at 10:00 AM ^
I've got Mone and Glasgow holding down the nose. Henry and Hurst playing the 3 Tech (because Hurst HAS to see time, he was a beast towards the end of the year).
Wormley and Gary on the strongside.
Charlton moving to the weakside and starting and then we'll have one hell of a competition between...
- Jones (who's moved to MLB for the time being)
- Winovich (who moved to TE/H-Back last year)
- S. Johnson
- R. Johnson
- C. Kemp
- L. Marshall
I'm absolutely positive Greg Mattison can find a backup WDE or BUCK with SIX choices! (In fact, 1-2 of them will probably need to bulk up and fight for backup time behind R. Gary in 2017).
January 10th, 2016 at 12:15 PM ^
Only way I think he starts is if he plays at WDE over Charlton, which he looks athletic enough to do but probably isn't his best position. If Charlton beats him out then he has no shot at the other three spots barring injury.
January 10th, 2016 at 7:36 AM ^
Experience goes a long way. He would play immediately, but would not start. I think there is a legitimate chance everyone on the 2-deep is drafted by the time they leave.
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January 10th, 2016 at 7:39 AM ^
After seeing how Harbaugh used personnel this year I trust that those who perform best in practice will start.
I believe in Harbaugh and his staffs ability to judge talent and reward playing time accordingly. So I guess as talented as Gary is I think that at this time no one knows for sure.
January 10th, 2016 at 7:46 AM ^
Trust Harbaugh. Tell your friends that a guy who took UM from 5-7 to 10-3 in one year can do what he thinks is best and if they want to second guess him, they can do it silently.
I agree with the assessment above, that he'll get playing time but not as a starter. The one thing about a good d-line is that they need to have good chemistry and communitcation to be really good. Think back to RVB and MM...guys were calling their own stunts, essentially commanding that defense. A defense that was not that great in the backfield, but because of the pressure those two put on a QB...made the backfield much better than they would have been otherwise.
Now, IF...big if...Gary IS that good, then we all will have lots to be happy about.
January 10th, 2016 at 8:33 AM ^
My friends have different perspectives. My OSU friend thinks we have bad recruiting classes (dumb I know) and Brady Home's bad coaching that lead to every players damage in potential. My MSU fan thinks we had great recruiting classes but even worse coaching. He wanted Home to get a 5 year extension.
January 10th, 2016 at 8:39 AM ^
new friends.
January 10th, 2016 at 8:52 AM ^
...MSU and OSU fans don't really know much about what is happening in A2 under Harbaugh. They follow their own teams closely, and only observe Michigan casually and from time-to-time.
So, naturally, they are going to be really bad at comparing Gary to M's returning d-line players. They are making uneducated guesses, at best.
My educated guess: R. Gary plays a lot as a true freshman but, barring injuries, will not be listed as a starter.
My other educated guess: R. Gary swats away the Ol' Miss bag man temptation and chooses M.
January 10th, 2016 at 9:05 AM ^
you can't trade those college years for anything. And Mom.
January 10th, 2016 at 9:15 AM ^
They are OSU and MSU fans. Enough said - you need new friends.
January 10th, 2016 at 9:22 AM ^
Don't worry, I got this, after I win the Powerball I'm becoming a bagman.
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January 10th, 2016 at 9:32 AM ^
Ol' Miss?
January 10th, 2016 at 10:10 AM ^
That's a funny joke! When I win I will have my people contact you for some hush money, and because I like your funny sense of humor. We can have beers in my brewery.
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January 10th, 2016 at 10:56 AM ^
sounds great.
If I win the Powerball, I am going to get myself (1) a tour of the Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory, and (2) dinner at Red Robin with Harbaugh to pick his brain about football and life (probably not for sale though).
You are welcome to join in on both.
January 10th, 2016 at 9:48 AM ^
not true.
for some of the most informed Spartans, are those who badly wanted to come to Ann Arbor but got rejected, and keep close tabs in a twisted love/hate way.
January 10th, 2016 at 10:03 AM ^
Can't ditch friends since childhood because they root for a different football team than me. Not gonna happen.
January 10th, 2016 at 10:16 AM ^
You need to stop hanging out with Hanukkah Harry and Kwanzaa Klauz...
January 10th, 2016 at 11:10 AM ^
So if you had a MSU friend, how would you respond to him telling you to respect Dantonio and keep you Sparty personnel opinions to yourself? Yeah.
January 10th, 2016 at 2:46 PM ^
Who is talking about respect? This is about personnel questions. And I couldn't give a single Fuck what Dantonio does with his freshman defensive linemen
January 10th, 2016 at 7:45 AM ^
He wouldn't start over Glasgow or Henry. Maybe mone but he was supposedly better than even Glasgow
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January 10th, 2016 at 7:58 AM ^
Different positions. Question would be starting over Henry or Wormley.
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January 10th, 2016 at 8:32 AM ^
Then absolutely no
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January 10th, 2016 at 8:38 AM ^
inside and outside. I would not think he would start unless it's later in the year when he gets his assignments locked in on every play. Yes please!!
January 10th, 2016 at 12:14 PM ^
I could easily seeing him getting a lot of PT in the 2-deep at SDE, but would be surprized to see him get much PT at NT/DT unless there are injuries or they move one of the DT to SDE.
January 10th, 2016 at 7:49 AM ^
You correct Santa Clause.
He would rotate in but not start. If the rotation and performance proved a start maybe then or at that point.
The best part about all of this is your friends know just how good he is and likely that he is coming out Ann Arbor.
Either way; win win for you.
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January 10th, 2016 at 7:51 AM ^
*out to Ann Arbor (i phone - autocorrect)
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January 10th, 2016 at 7:52 AM ^
I think your friends are jealous.
January 10th, 2016 at 8:44 AM ^
My OSU friend is so blinded by Urbanz goggles that he thinks anyone who doesn't want to play for the god that is Urban Meyer is stupid and not worthy to be on his team. But my MSU friend is a little jealous even though he says he would rather have a 2* that is hungry and feels disrespekted than a spoiled 5* who has everything given to him.
January 10th, 2016 at 8:52 AM ^
just explained both fan bases in a nut shell.
January 10th, 2016 at 10:34 AM ^
Ding ding ding. We have a winner!!!
January 10th, 2016 at 10:40 AM ^
Some kind of conspiracy? Ahh what the hell, I'll take the big fluffy bunny in the back.
January 10th, 2016 at 12:09 PM ^
All we need is your conact information and your bank account numbers. Trust me...
January 10th, 2016 at 9:12 AM ^
well we saw what disrespected 2* can do in the bowl game against alabama.... u can have all of the hungry attitude you want but there are limits on abilities....
January 10th, 2016 at 10:36 AM ^
Apparenly Donnie Corley is hungry is hell despite his star ranking.
January 15th, 2016 at 10:03 PM ^
I'm pretty sure every time we discuss a te recruit that doesn't pick us we say the same thing.
January 10th, 2016 at 7:54 AM ^
Why was my immediate thought to your title that he had gotten in an argument with someone?
January 10th, 2016 at 7:55 AM ^
Yes.
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January 10th, 2016 at 8:12 AM ^
Ditto. Practically gave me a friggin heart attack that he or his mom had some sort of major blowup with the staff....
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January 10th, 2016 at 7:54 AM ^
Is it me or is this title frightening at first glance? Can you clear it up so it doesn't appear he got into a fight or something?
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January 10th, 2016 at 8:14 AM ^
Dude needs to rephrase title. I was thinking Gary got into argument with UM coaches. Poor title description
January 10th, 2016 at 10:25 AM ^
I thought it was going to be something like "Twitter and Instagram blew up Saturday night after several people posted videos of Rashan Gary and his mother getting into a heated and loud argument in a New Jersey McDonald's over his choice of universities. The audio is garbled, but it appears to show Gary's mother vociferously advocating for Michigan but her son announcing his choice of Mississippi. Both have refused to comment."
January 10th, 2016 at 10:24 AM ^
If, God forbid, we're decimated by injuries on DL, he could start at some point next year.