2014 Gardner = 2015 Rudock?
Category | Player A | Player B (pro-rated to full season) |
Ranking in FBS | 94 | 98 |
Comp Pct. | 61.5 | 62.0 |
Yards per attempt | 6.7 | 6.6 |
Yards passing | 1896 | 1135 (2270) |
QB rating | 118.8 | 120.4 |
TD/INT | 10/15 | 5/6 (10/12) |
Times sacked | 26 | 8 (16) |
OK, this is getting a little eerie. Player A is obviously Devin Gardner's 2014 season because I don't need to pro-rate his stats over a full season. Player B is Jake Rudock so far this season. They are the same guy. Is it possible Gardner was MGoCloned?
I've been much more content with Rudock's play so far this year than I was with Gardner's last season. I guess winning cures all. Defense and special teams have made a world of difference, but you know that already.
P.S. Gardner averaged 2.6 yards per carry last year to Rudock's 2.7 this year. I didn't excise sack yards, but they are handled the same for both so it's an OK comparison.
October 15th, 2015 at 6:42 PM ^
Difference is, I have faith Rudock will get better with Harbaugh and Fisch there to help him.
I did not have that feeling with DG under Borges.
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October 15th, 2015 at 6:43 PM ^
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October 15th, 2015 at 9:01 PM ^
It is an unfair comparison because of the coaching. No player pre-Harbaugh should be compared to post-Harbaugh players. Just look at AJ Williams. He's not the same guy...and it is mostly due to Harbaugh & Co vs. Hoke & Co.
OP's post is irrelevant and meaningless to predict future performance or the outcome of Saturday. There is nothing to conclude except, "WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?!?!?"
October 15th, 2015 at 6:43 PM ^
This has been posted and discussed before. But it was titled something like Devin Gardner Appreciation Thread. To be honest I'm not sure what the point of either post is.
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October 15th, 2015 at 7:28 PM ^
" To be honest I'm not sure what the point of either post is."
Yet still you read and posted a comment...
October 15th, 2015 at 6:45 PM ^
Gardner played in a system where it was all on him. Rudock plays in a system where he manages the game. Let it be.
October 15th, 2015 at 6:45 PM ^
unless you are only talking about OSU 2013 I could care less about the stats. Rudock is far better. I loved but had no faith in Gardner
October 15th, 2015 at 6:47 PM ^
Rudock had far better coaching. I wouldn't say he is "far better" than Gardner. If Gardner had come into the program when JH was coaching I'm pretty confident things would have turned out very differently for him.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:11 PM ^
Exactly. Not only would Devin's play be improved because of coaching but so would everybody else's. Devin with an improved o-line and better coached skilled position players could have turned out extemely different.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:28 PM ^
You can never know what never happened. While interesting to look at, it remains a practice in futility to "what if" the past.
October 15th, 2015 at 10:02 PM ^
in regards to a Gardner-under-Harbaugh what-if scenario than engage in an exercise in stupidity of pitting Rudock against Gardner.
I'm a fan of both.
October 15th, 2015 at 9:36 PM ^
would tear things up with this offense under harbaugh. the threat of zone read alone would open up many more running lanes for smith and company.
October 15th, 2015 at 9:54 PM ^
having an effective running game does for opening up the passing game
October 15th, 2015 at 6:46 PM ^
One is fact, the other is a bad extrapolation.
October 15th, 2015 at 6:48 PM ^
Yes. Rudock only has 3 INT's in his last 5 games. He's not exactly "on pace" to finish with any of these numbers.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:05 PM ^
are always dangerous, but multiplying by 2 seems like the simplest extrapolation to make. The int he threw that bounced off of Houma's hands wasn't exactly his fault. Those things happen.
I was surprised by the sack numbers. Over a whole season, Rudock projects to be sacked one fewer times per game than Gardner. Was PTSD (post traumatic sack disorder) from 2013 really that bad, or was it awful coaching from Borges? And if coaching is the reason, why isn't Rudock doing any better than the 98th rated QB? Harbaugh is a QB guru, after all. I just think it's an interesting comparison. Lots to think about and discuss and hopefully help pass the time until Saturday. But for those that spent more time in the DG appreciation thread, I can see how this feels like well worn ground.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:17 PM ^
I thought Devin was actually decent last season except for the interceptions. Rudock is doing better there even using the extrapolation method that makes it look the worst. I think we could say Rudock's overall play is trending in the right direction. I don't remember having that feeling last year. This was right about the time Devin got benched in favor of Shane.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:36 PM ^
Yeah, it might suck to do so, but you have to give those the same weight as bonehead blundering pick sixes. Here's why, for every "unlucky" INT there are lucky drops and lucky deflections. You don't count the sure INT that is dropped as an INT, do you? Then do count the unluckly deflection that is an INT as an INT.
BTW, Brian tries the same logical fallacy in his write ups. Actually most people do, thankfully the raw numbers are objective and emotional free.
October 15th, 2015 at 6:47 PM ^
Rudock is not a steady-state process therefore projection is invalid.
October 15th, 2015 at 6:47 PM ^
duly noted.
October 15th, 2015 at 6:48 PM ^
I think someone pointed out earlier how statistically Gardner and Rudock are basically having the same type of season. I guess a difference is that other than really App State and OSU, Gardner had pretty mediocre stats all year, however Rudock has had games were he completes around 70% for 7 ypg and one or two TD's, and then has games were he is missing 5 yd throws
October 15th, 2015 at 6:48 PM ^
With this line. He never got the support up front he deserved. I hope he gets a chance in Pitt
October 15th, 2015 at 7:14 PM ^
I think Devin danced himself into a lot of trouble at times IMO
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October 15th, 2015 at 7:21 PM ^
Easy to do when you have 5-6 potential "dance partners" living in back field every play.
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October 15th, 2015 at 6:50 PM ^
That Rudock isn't suffering from sack induced PTSD.
October 15th, 2015 at 6:53 PM ^
Or 15 different coaches / coordinators in 5 years
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October 15th, 2015 at 6:59 PM ^
The kid never recovered from MSU 2013. He was a shell of himself after that. Sad.
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October 15th, 2015 at 11:07 PM ^
Actually he looked pretty damn good in the 2013 OSU game a month later.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:00 PM ^
Hopefully the biggest difference is that rudocks interception numbers are just high at the beginning of the season and improve over the course of the year. Gardner always started really well and ended up racking the interceptions up during big ten play. I think that's the difference we are looking at.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:01 PM ^
Devin Gardner 2014:
Jake Rudock 2015:
October 15th, 2015 at 8:15 PM ^
I laughed way harder than I should have at this post lol. It's the truth though!
October 16th, 2015 at 8:40 AM ^
seeing Gardener peel himself off the field when I realized: They done turned him white.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:08 PM ^
A few of Rudock picks have been bad routes where Gardner seem to just heave a throw into the middle of the field while being sacked.
October 15th, 2015 at 9:41 PM ^
my biggest criticism of DB was that he rarely just threw the ball away. he had way too many "oh no" INTs. Rudock does throw the ball away and sometimes takes the sack instead of risking a pick.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:09 PM ^
Everybody loves Gardner. Rudock will get better each game.
October 15th, 2015 at 8:33 PM ^
I don't. Not a smart football player and the actions during the Minnesota game made me think of him as a whiny bitch.
October 16th, 2015 at 12:51 AM ^
I don't know what "actions during the Minnesota game" you could possibly be referring to. At any rate, a whiny bitch doesn't play against Ohio State with a broken foot.
October 16th, 2015 at 1:59 AM ^
You are no Jack Harbaugh, and should change your name yesterday
October 15th, 2015 at 7:26 PM ^
We get it.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:56 PM ^
I went back and looked at the Gardner appreciation thread. You are right that he compared them after 5 games. This comparison is to Gardner's full season and it is easier to project a full season from Rudock (we're halfway through, multiply numbers by 2.) I also added the QB rating and their rank among FBS QBs. It's fairly redundant and the post is getting negged as a result.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:28 PM ^
The TD/Int calculation for Rudock is a bit misleading for obvious reasons. The biggest difference is the comparison in competence between this year's offense and last year's offense as many whole.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:38 PM ^
Didn't alum96 already post this?
October 15th, 2015 at 7:38 PM ^
You need to add a line for "brainfarts." Devin had about 40. Rudock has had around 5.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:40 PM ^
I feel so much comfortable with Rudock than I ever did with Gardner. I will never understand the love this board had with Gardner. I know the coaching staff was incompetent but the guy was also terrible.
October 15th, 2015 at 7:50 PM ^
Devin's peak >>>>>>>>>> Rudock's peak. Both are inconsistent. Can't say Rudock is steady because he's also turnover prone like DG
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October 15th, 2015 at 8:25 PM ^
I almost would venture to say that he looked turnover prone to start the season and progressively got better. No longer turnover prone in my opinion.
October 15th, 2015 at 8:11 PM ^
Rudock also hasn't had to throw as often.
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