OT: Power 5 Expansion Warming Up?
The Big 12 has formed an expansion committee that comprises Gordon E. Gee (WVU), David Boren (Okla), and Ken Starr (Baylor). All three presidents are pro-expansion. It's no coincidence that Gee is leading that committee either. He has the experience from the B1G. Many analysts are expecting them to target Nebraska and BYU and think they will be at 12 or 14 teams by 2017 or 2018. However, I can't see that happening regarding Nebraska as they are hauling in record revenue with the B1G along with an academic windfall that goes with it.
However, a new report came out confirming that Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Kansas and Iowa State sought to join the Big Ten in 2010. As you know, Nebraska was added and the others were either left behind or joined the SEC. The article ends with an interesting sentence:
"If the predictions come true that the clock is ticking on the Big 12 sticking together, remember what we previously reported from two sources at Nebraska the Big Ten has done its "homework'' to evaluate Oklahoma and Kansas as potential members."
If you remember Delaney's comments. The B1G may continue to expand south and/or east with contiguous boundaries and AAU institutions. Oklahoma and Kansas certainly fit that model. David Boren has been outspoken this summer about expansion too. So, will we see another round of expansion soon? Say 2017 or 2018?
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/oklahoma…
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Wonder if the looming Great Unbundling could cause the big conferences to embark on another feeding frenzy to ensure revenue remains unchanged? Will be interesting to watch, if not disruptive to the results on the field.
Kansas and Oklahoma are probably the worst new markets the Big Ten could feasibly add. Oklahoma adds national appeal. Kansas add less than nothing for football.
I'm not seeing any compelling reasons for Big Ten expansion. Any idea that Nebraska is going back to the Big 12 is utter nonsense. It's obvious that the Big 12's only options in expansion are schools not in a major conference.
You are terribly wrong. For some of the carriers it is, it took awhile but eventually charter put B1G on their basic. However last I checked it is only one channel so if you're not on the primary channel you're SOL. DirectTV still has it on their third tier in order to get B1G which is why I just cancelled it. Not paying $80/mo as that's the cheapest package with B1G.
If you're in ILL/East St. Louis it's on the basic package(Illinois in B1G). I'm screwed by 10 geographic miles or so.
Uverse... isn't even available, hurray monopolies!
I lived in STL back in 2011 and my buddy in Kirkwood had u-verse. So, not sure where' you're getting that info. Clearly you're getting blocked by Charter in a specific zip code.
Uverse isn't in my neighborhood(according to ATT website). Uverse is in STL, lol.
Charter has it on the basic now(which I said). However last I looked it was only one channel not the alternatives available. So if Illinois vs Who Cares, is set to the main channel I'd still miss out on Michigan vs Losing Team(hopefully).
Oklahoma City and the Dallas metroplex (ou fans) is a nice addition to the Big Ten family. That's a lot of TV sets.
the best fit of all of the SEC schools. Although recent additions to the B1G seem to indicate that the B1G doesn't give a flying fuck about that anymore (if they ever did).
I'd like to see Texas in the B1G. I'm no fan of that state, but I do like the school.
And as long as we're expanding the conference, let's get rid of the divisions. I'd like to play Wisconsin more often.
Vandy is like Northwestern, a small private school but with an awesome baseball team (and thus would never leave the SEC).
Florida is more of a B1G school (and again, would never leave the SEC) in that it is a large, flagship public university. And it's probably the best public school in the SEC (and the South), certainly by USNWR (which is a pretty flawed ranking system IMHO).
Not sure why you don't like Texas. Great place...in the Spring and Fall. Summer is hell on earth.
And it is too hot for too long there. My other objections to Texas are political, and thus verboten to discuss here.
it ain't happenin'.
Nay to Vanderbilt. Doesn't pass the saltwater test. Close but no cigar, they're closer to Mobile Bay than to Lake Michigan. If you're closer to salt water than to a Great Lake, no Big Ten for you. That rule if actually enacted would've saved the Big Ten a lot of trouble.
Good academics, could be decent in football, good basketball program.
Plus I live in Nashville so I'd love to have more Michigan sports teams visiting the area.
Nashville is expected to grow by 1 million people in the next 10 years, so their market is growing quite a bit. It's a city that's not slowing down any time soon. It is booming here.
by adding to the number of schools that divide it?
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I know that is what Texas fans want....but that seems the most akward fit...culturally and geographically. Texas to the B1G is a better fit by far, yet still very akward.
I would be for Oklahoma....but only Oklahoma.
I don't know if we could take only Oklahoma...I thought Delaney or someone had mentioned in the past that the Big Ten would only take schools in states that are contiguous with the rest of the conference. Which would mean we'd have to take a Kansas school or a Missouri school in order to become contiguous with Oklahoma.
The last round of expansion talk it was mentioned that OU and OSU was a package deal. It makes sense for them to keep that rivalry from their standpoint. Not sure what the great appeal would be to B1G or Pac12.
Personally, I don't see the Big 12 surviving much longer. If you get to four major conferences you have an easy four into the playoffs. Just depends on if the powers that be would rather have the easy in or full on debate for a year about why one team was left out, ie TCU/Baylor last year.
is that it lifts the perception of NB. I think it would for Oklahoma and KS as well. Obviously Texas is a prize, but I just feel it's a struggle to connect it geographically in anyone's imagination. Interesting cultural and political implications, though. Bet the Texas legislature would resist; dunno if they have to approve. . .
They are now a member of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC - LINK), which I believe makes a significant amount of research dollars available to members.
Nebraska won't go back to BVII, I would bet on it. Remember back to why they left to begin with. Part of it was money, part of it was the academic grants but a HUGE part of it was they were sick of Texas and their bullying of conference members to get the most conference money to Texas. If BVII expands it'll be picking up teams like BYU and Cincinatti. Most of the major players are in conferences that they don't want to leave barring some shake up of a major team leaving a conference.
Why use them if you don't know what they mean? You could've just said Big 12 like everyone else on here.
Can we just trade Rutgers for Oklahoma straight up?
TV $$$$ rules the day.
then when many have cut the cord on cable we'll be sitting in the Big House watching perennial doormat Rutgers and we'll think "Did we really f*cking take Rutgers into the Big Ten? That was seriously a thing? We chose to take them?....We could've had Oklahoma? What the f*ck"
Maybe they think the same thing about us since we're the ones, you know, with the losing record against them.
Do you really think more people are watching Rutgers football than are watching Oklahoma football?
Screw it. Add Pitt, UNC, UVA, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Iowa State. I would really like Mizzou but I highly doubt they leave the SEC unless the BIG pays some of their exit fee or gives them equal BIG revenue sharing immediately (unlike Rutgers and Maryland).
UNC goes nowhere without Duke...packaged deal.
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And Kansas goes nowhere without K-State. I don't know the Oklahoma schools, but figure it's a similar situation with OU and OSU.
I don't understand it either. I could see Michigan State or Michigan doing their "own thing" if it came down to it.
I'm not sure I'd like UNC with their academic downfall lately. Rampant academic fraud is not the Big Ten way. We've had our share of other issues, but academic integrity has been and should always be a top priority.
That's temporary . . . if they choose it to be.
These are strategic decisions. In 50 years, all those culptirts will be dead.