OT: The Jason Pierre Paul saga
This is probably old news for many on the boards, as it has been circulating since the weekend. On the 4th, it seems that Jason Pierre Paul was injured by a firework and received burns on his hands. Yesterday, a cell phone picture of his medical record was leaked on twitter which showed that he was having a surgery to amputate his right index finger. It’s being reported that a hospital employee took the image and sent it to a friend, who posted it on twitter. Because of this whole episode, the Giants rescinded a $60 million offer that they had given JPP.
So, since HIPAA (please don’t comment below saying HIPPA) law was clearly violated, I’m very interested in continuing to follow this. I work quite a bit with HIPAA law, and it’s just nauseating that a hospital employee could be that stupid and cavalier with medical data. He may end up in jail, and he deserves to. As for the hospital, HIPAA fines from the OCR have been in the multi-million dollar range. That is typically due to a high volume data breach. I’m curious to find if a civil suit could come up to that range based off of one person losing several million dollars in contract money.
Let me stop any arguments to the contrary before they are started. Even if JPP has an agreement in place with the NFL and waives his HIPAA rights, the nature of the data breach means that HIPAA law was broken. This wasn’t the NFL releasing the data, it was some slack jawed nurse, or IT guy, or facilities person.
ON TOP OF ALL THAT – JPP may face criminal charges because fireworks are illegal in Florida. The convolution runs deep in this story.
TLDR – Jason Pierre Paul blew off his finger with firework. He may face criminal charges, but only because a hospital employee broke the law first and released his medical issue. The Giants said “We good” and rescinded his offer. Now there is HIPAA blowback on ESPN and the hospital for letting this come to light. It’s only appropriate that this happened in Florida.
There was the corner from Tampa Bay who lost a finger (cue all the Corners can't catch jokes) from fireworks too.
I mean, I've never had a big booming firework, but I've also never been tempted to go get ones that could easily kill me
My wife loves my big booming firework
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July 8, back when I was 12 years old. I was helping out at an Eagle Scout project, we were cleaning up an underserviced park, and I found the M-80 under a large cement slab.
I incorrectly assumed it was a smoke bomb.
Bad mistake.
The pain from this sort of injury, when your fingers get peeled like bananas, and finger bones stick out like a Halloween model, is difficult to describe. The pain was so intense I wished for death. Nothing has ever really hurt since. The doctors pointed out that a blast injury of the hand is about as bad as pain gets, since (1) nerve concentration is higher in fingerpads than almost anywhere else, and (2) blast injuries tear nerves ragged, instead of slicing cleanly.
I was lucky: St. Joeseph's had a world-renowned hand surgeon who was visiting that week. He was able to save all my fingerpads, and only amputated 3/4" of my right thumb. My eye made a full recovery. After therapy, I was told that St. Joe's sees 5 or 6 cases of M-80 ignition in hand every year, and my year everyone else lost multiple digits and/or eyes. So I was very fortunate.
Jason will learn. Lighting a firework like that in your hand is a mistake you only make one time.
Glad you were mostly ok.
not even a true enemy. I'm really fortunate it turned out as well as it did.
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What has 9 fingers and is overrated?
Hubris and amateurs doing fireworks are a bad combination.
Sidenote, how many of you saw the photo of his hand post accident on liveleak? Absolutely brutal. It looked like a couple of his fingers had essentially all skin and muscle blown off of them. Pure bone.
I feel bad for JPP bc this happened, but what right-minded person gets their fingers blown off? Just stupid. Selfishly I am pissed as a Giants fan and season ticket holder that we just lost an important part of our d-line
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Some people are just not good at assessing risk, or perhaps have that "invincible" feeling. It's like the millionaires who get drunk and drive home when they could easily afford a driver for the evening.
If JPP wanted to see things go boom so badly, he could have easily hired some professionals to do it. Instead he did this, and is going to lose Millions in the process. Rightly so.
Pretty sure that wasn't his hand, believe that pic has circulated around for years.
You forgot doctor. FTFY
To play devil's advocate, and set aside all of the medical records stuff for a second. If JPP did something he wasn't supposed to and hurt himself, the GIants absolutely have something in his contract to deal with that, so it doesn't really seem like this is an issue for them. They would have found out about the finger eventually, and just like Jeff Kent, he would be in doodoo.
Exactly. He'd likely have to go in for a physical or something before the deal in finalized. Not condoning the leakers actions but the loss of contract falls squarely on JPP
No rational person is going to believe that the leaked info caused him to lose the $60 million. That contract was gone as soon as JPP made the ridiculously stupid decision to fire off an explosive device from his hand.
The Giants' team doctors would have examined him before any deal, regardless.
As for HIPAA, there are actual provisions in the law against civil suits; the penalties come in the form of CMS fines instead. The hospital will be protected from suits as long as they required the at fault employee to complete privacy training.
As for the person who took the picture? He should be tarred and feathered for general lack of decency or common sense.
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Sure, but I would assume that he could file a claim based off of invasion of privacy. I guess my phrasing was kind of generic and misleading.
I believe is the maximum fine for a first time hipaa violation. But it's been a while since I did my hipaa training.
The info would have hit the news cycle hours later when the Giants found out, so did he really suffer any damages? Arguably still a violation, but maybe not entitled to recover anything
"No rational person is going to believe that the leaked info caused him to lose the $60 million."
I completely agree, but my confidence in the justice system says that JPP will sue something and win...
Layperson opinion, but nurse or whomever definitely violated HIPAA. Espn though is tricky. The article I saw didn't have the image posted, but just "sources told Adam Schefter" etc. Schefter, however, retweeted the image the nurse or whomever released. That's probably a big issue for Schefter. But espn probably staves off a lawsuit here as they didn't seek to obtain hospital recommends and then post them. They just reported the news (espn as sports tmz jokes aside).
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I don't think schefter can violate hipaa as a non hospital employee
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Very likely. I think the media gets by unscathed on this.
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He's not part of a covered entity, so he's completely clear of HIPAA law. But he still looks bad in the court of public opinion. It's just Busch league to spread something like that.
as you do, but I do work in healthcare and understand the spirit of HIPPA. If I had an ounce of respect for Adam Schefter, it left after finally reading an article last night. What a cluster, all the way around. I'm not sure I feel bad for JPP, I might, because clearly his basic privacy rights were grossly violated. So, for that, yeah. But I just will never get grown people lighting explosives.
Side note--I remember being a kid (9-10 y.o.) and my step dad and brothers taking us all out a dirt road to light cherry bombs. It would explode and I'd be waiting for something more...they were all so excited, and I never got it then either.
You said HIPPA. OP is gonna be mad at you forever...
Yeah it felt dirty watching him report that. He looked like a conniving weasel. As soon as I saw that picture I knew some peice of shit working at the hospital took it. I think he crossed the line and should've known better. Agreed, definitely busch league.
I'm pretty that the Giants would have found out about his finger regardless of hipaa being infringed
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Are you really pretty or do you just have a high opinion of yourself?
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Aren't players obligated (in their contracts) to disclose off season injuries?
have a contract or a team right now.
HIPPA... sorry, had to just bc you asked me not to
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HIPPA
It seems like there are a lot more fireworks accidents nowadays. Are they manufacturing crappier and crappier fireworks?
Local news story I saw posted to YouTube after this incident said it's easier now for people to illegally acquire professional grade fireworks. Those have shorter fuses and are way more powerful than the stuff you can buy from Phamtom or Blackcat.
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If they're made in China, yes. Either that or society may be producing less intelligent people...
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with your latter comment.
I think the real problem is that they're manufacturing dumber and dumber people.
Hey, to be fair the Chinese forced laborers making them probably don't have all their fingers either. What do you expect from a bunch of elementary school kids?
Seriously, though. I remember a story where a Chinese elementary school exploded killing everyone inside (because it was a freaking huge explosion) and the Chinese government story to the AP was that a"crazy man ran inside the building with fireworks in his pockets" and set them off. Yeah right..
JPP is an idiot who blew his finger up doing an illegal activity and now he should be compensated because a picture of his dumb actions was released?
How is this any different than say Minick's BAC being released? Or the Ray Rice details? Just because JPP was in a hospital?
Pretty simple, that's public record, this is not. Not really complicated stuff.
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Yes. Just because JPP was in the hospital. You answered your own question.
Obviously you dont work in the legal field.
I have common sense so the law was not for me.
It's really no different than anything TMZ does/ buys., except for the fact that lawyers "convinced" politicians to make up a nonsense law so that the lawyers could make more money.
Or protect the privacy of people treated at hospitals and such. You forgot that part.
So let's say you or a loved one contracts HIV (sexually, transfusion, bad monkey meat - however). You're cool with the hospital releasing that information to the public at large? Really?
Because if you're not, that's the sort of disclosure HIPAA protects against.
Orangutan is delicious, worth the risk every time.