OT: David West joins the Spurs; Cavs' luxury tax through the roof
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13210946/david-west-sign-san-antonio-…
David West is opting out of the last year of his contract to go to the Spurs for the vet minimum of $1.5 mill vs the $12 mill he would've made on the Pacers capping off a great offseason for SA.
Meanwhile, LeGM is working on getting Joe Johnson onto the Cavs by getting rid of Haywood and/or Varejao...
Gilbert will be paying a record $200 mill and change (roster salaries + luxury tax) for the Cavs to lose to either the Warriors or Spurs in the finals.
Got damn...
fuck Cleveland
Cleveland pretty much fucks itself.
(Also, West's agent must be really bad at negotiating. It would be like having Wolverine Devotee negotiate Michigan's apparel deal. "David desperately wants to play for the Spurs. He says he does not even want to talk to the other teams, and money is no object. Now let's talk salary!")
Spurs couldn't afford to give him anymore than that I'm pretty sure. They have a 10 deep roster with West in the fold...
West's agent did fine. He had a higher offer from the Cavs and turned it down too.
Spurs can only offer West a vet minimum because of the cap and roster size. West took less money for a shot to win a championship. He turned down 12 million from his current team to play for the Spurs
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Yeah, I saw that in the OP's first paragraph, and I realize it's cap-driven. It's a mind-boggling gamble by West, especially since so much of the Spurs core is aging - $10.5M. But it's West's prerogative, of course.
I probably should not be blaming the agent for something that he was probably extremely frustrated about (it would have been better to say "West and his agent" or just "West"). But the opportunity to allude to WD's desperation for Nike overcame me.
At least Cleveland is not Detroit. Before anyone defends Detroit over Cleveland, don't waste your time.
Is there some hidden money West is getting ? The money is so much less it doesn't make any sense.
Players may actually want to win after all?
Maybe. But why do we never hear of teams paying players money off the books ? In a salary cap league paying a max player like lebron 5-10 million on the side would be a great benefit if you can get away with it. Does this happen ?
if not crippled in the past. If Gilbert got caught paying his players on the side we would be heavily fined and stripped of multiple first round picks at best. At worst he would be voted out of the league. Under extreme circumstances the league could do something really punative like canceling player contracts.
What typically has happened in the past is that teams have promised players that they will keep them in the organization after they retire if they take a discount. That's more of a gray area and happens all the time.
Teams that got CAUGHT have been fined. Like...the TWolves for Joe Smith.
The Heat and Spurs seem to be doing OK with it despite a lot of suspicious activity. And uh...Dirk Nowitzki makes about 1/3 of his value, even at this advanced age.
Nobody is getting a simple off the book check, but people are getting compensated in other ways all the time.
It's not like Duncan is making 10 million a year for Texas department store chain endorsement or something. These billionaires are highly competitive that own teams and they stand to lose money if other owners are cheating. If they thought something fishy was up they would investigate and file a complaint. Dirk and Duncan have both made 150 million plus in their careers with no state taxes. If they value winning over cash at this point in their life then more power to them. Kobe did not, now he is on a shit team.
Perhaps he's been financially responsible throughout his career?
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Speaking of hidden money, I heard DWade had an understanding that he'd be paid now for the undemarket deal he took a few years back
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LA gave Kobe the much criticized extension because he had an undermarket deal for several years and didn't complain. He got his money, but crippled the organization in the process.
He deserves it, tbh.
In fact he was at a grandfathered in max from playing so many years and having started in 1996 when there was no rookie scale. So he was at 35 million in his last year - 12 million more than anyone else - and took 26 million a year for his last two years after he had torn his achilles.
He said he took all the money because he was worh it. From a marketing prospective he was, but he showed that he valued money over winning.
West has made a bunch of money and might see a one-year contract as worth a shot at a ring. Plus, if he looks good as a supporting role he'll get another shot at a contract with a higher cap.
fuck the Cavs and their fan base. they burn their James jersey when he leaves, then they lap up his nuts when he comes back.
Like it is a bad thing
I can't think of one fan base that would take it well if their hometown star bolts in a made for TV event. Put multiple decades of futility on top of it, and I'm impressed all they burned were jerseys.
All the TV event did was give them an excuse to say "It's not that he left it's how he left," which of course is bullshit. Ohio has one of the most provincial state cultures in the country. They really do think leaving is some sort of unthinkable betrayal.
We don't give a shit about what any of you think, and we have LeBron.
The 2016 Western Conference Finals should be between the Golden State Warriors and San Antonio Spurs - the last 2 NBA Champions.
In the immortal words of Bart Scott, "CAN'T WAIT!"
I fully expect them to be in the mix.
Sure could be true, but the Warriors had a lot of things go right and Bogut and Curry have a ton of injury concerns.
As for the Spurs, they're a little light in the backcourt give Manu/Parker are unreliable but I imagine they'll be right there.
Don't sleep on the Rockets though. There's a lot of offseason left ...
They are led by two enormous head cases in Howard and Harden. It's OK to sleep on them. They aren't winning anything.
I guess it will be worth it if he wins a ring.
If not...that's a lot of money to leave on the table. Good luck to him though.
Great signing by the Spurs; GSW and SA are going to be terrifying next year.
Cavs need another shooter, but Johnson isn't anywhere close to the player he was a couple of years ago, and at that price you have to expect more than what he'll likely give you. Just a bad trade if it happens.
Anything that causes Dan Gilbert to lose money in a fruitless endeavor is fine by me.
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If you are a Cavs fan aren't you at least happy your owner is willing to spend the money on the product on the floor in hopes of bringing that city a championship. Personally, that makes me like their owner even more. I know that isn't a popular opinion on this board but that city deserves a title at some point.
But... I can say I respect Lebron for saying fuck you to owners and gripping them by the balls considering that history has it the other way around with owners always in charge.
Gilbert, for how immature he is, should be given credit for sucking it up for the sake of winning.
If OKC's owner wasn't a cheap bastard, they probably would've been a dynasty by now with Durant, Harden and Westbrook leading the charge.
he said FU to his coach during the playoffs?
He got royally screwed with the injuries to his team this year.
Do all virgins deserve a night with a supermodel in your view?
God bless a man who got rich by selling sub-primes.
Everytime an Ohio related thread gets posted an angel loses their wings....
Good. I am glad we have an owner willing to front that kind of cash. He is doing his part to help this title-starved city. The guy has done so many great things for Cleveland and I cannot thank him enough.
Mo Williams just signed with the Cavs. That takes care of our need for decent back-up PG. Delly is definitely NOT a guy you want to be giving big minutes to (neither is Williams FWIW).
Looks like it's setting up for a Cavs-Spurs finals. Both teams are loaded. The difference (sadly for me) is Pop v Blatt and that is no match at all.
Did the Warriors stop playing basketball?
I think LeBron just group texted the homies asking if they want Gilbert's money. Someone already messed with Mo Williams wikipedia lol.
That literally made me LOL, because in all likelihood it's 100% true.
to learn the game at the highest level? I think of it like a successful lawyer going back to school for a masters degree in classical philosophy. . . Good for D-West, I always liked his little jumpshot game with the NO Hornets; now he won't need to rely on Paul's assists, but will benefit from the Spurs' ball movement. SA might be a great place for him to age-in-place (so to speak).
More contracts like that are likely in this off season with the cap increase coming next year. Players will opt for short contracts with less money to hit big numbers in the next off season. So for West this deal makes a lot of sense, get on a championship caliber team that can afford to give him a significant raise next year. So good move by West, although I recall reading some Cav fan comments that he would go to the Cavs because Matta was his former coach...how they thought that makes absolutely no sense.
They were also 1 bounce from being down 3-0 to that shell of a basketball team. Cleveland healthy may have swept the playoffs.