What is Up With the Tigers?
Mates,
Tigers: 2 runs on 8 hits
Angels: 7 runs on 6 hits....5 of them Home Runs.
Since when do we put batting practice pitchers into actual big league games? Are the tigers going to figure it out this year, or are they going to agonizingly melt away after their 9-1 start?
They suck. Go Yankees!
Here's a fun fact. The yankees are 3-1 against the Tigers this year, so your gonna be sleeping for awhile.
*you're
The Tigers have bounced the Yankees from the playoffs three times (2006, 2011,2012). And also own the longest postseason winning streak against the Yankees in MLB history (5 games).
Myself and a fellow UM grad-student buddy of mine were at Comerica Park for the final game of the 2012 series. We commuted from Ann Arbor for the rain out game then came back the next day, only to watch the Tigers clinch. Fun times: A couple of already-drunk Tiger fans showed up at their seats about 7-8 rows in front of us in the 3rd inning, started popping the nips of booze they'd smuggled in and began yelling "Gay-rod" again and again and again at a dude in an A-Rod jersey seated in their row. They did it so much that Tiger fans around my friend and I apologized, even though the drunks weren't yelling at us (I was wearing both a Yankee hoodie and '47 cap). That was cool. A-Rod jersey was pretty gracious to the drunks, and I found the Tiger fans to be a good lot, all-in-all.
The engine room of this lineup is the Victor-Miggy dynamic, and it is operating at about 40% efficiency right now. Obviously, Victor is not playing at all, and without him teams do not have to throw anything to Miguel Cabrera remotely hittable. This leads to the world's best hitter trying to create miracles with pitches 8 inches out of the strike zone, which leads to his frustration and ultimately the entire lineup tightens up. When Victor is healthy he protects Miggy and allows him to be Miggy, who is not only a great hitter but is also a tremendous leader when he is enjoying the game and making everyone around him, including the fans, umpires, and broadcasters, loose. Pray for Victor's health and hope Miggy stays healthy until Victor gets back and this team still has the potential to win.
The best player in Yankee history: Babe Ruth, beloved by millions the world over.
The best player in Tiger history: Ty Cobb, a vicious psychotic and violent racist who was the most hated man in the game.
Fun stat: In this recent era of success (2006-), the Tigers have had home field advantage in a playoff series a total of 0 times...
It frustrates me so much when we lollygag through the regular season. Also, why is it that when they lose, they REALLY lose and get blown out.
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that make you think of opening a vein. i think we set some type of near-record for collapses last year and we are on a 'hot streak' of collapses this year too. and then there's the blowouts you mention.
We had homefield advantage in the 06 World Series.
The only thing about home field advantage in the WS is that it is based on which league wins the all-star game, not on any individual team. The Tigers did have home field in the 2012 ALDS however.
MLB changed up the format that year so it was a 2-3 format, not 2-2-1. Team with the worse record hosted the first two games, and the team with the better record hosted the last three. That's the same format used when the LCS was a 5-game format from 1969-1985.
I don't take that into account becuase of the fact that home field advantage has nothing to do with your regular season record (which is earned), it just depends on which league wins the ASG.
Their record was better than St. Louis.
Cards won their division, Tigers got a wild card. Wild Card at the time was the automatic 4 seed in your league. Cards were the 3 seed in the NL.
This may not sound too great for Tiger fans, but things seem eerily similar to the latter half of the dominant Phillies teams from the 07-12 era...
2006 World Series and 2012 ALDS they had home field advantage but you are right about the rest.
2012 ALDS against Oakland they did not have home field advantage. It was actually a blunder by the MLB to format the first round that year with the 2-3 format, with the A's, the team with home field advantage, having to start the first two games on the row, allowing the Tigers to go up 2-0 before they even got a home game.
It's how MLB ran the LCS format when it was a 5-game series, so it wasn't unprededented. It was done to eliminate an extra travel day in the LDS to accomodate the new wild-card game and start the next round on time. Since the decision to add the wild card game came right before the start of the season, this was the best they could do on such short notice.
They are in Anaheim. They never play well there.
Exactly. When I first moved out here I went to see the Tigers play in Anaheim a couple times a season. I'm 0 for about 8 at this point. It seems like they never win here.
Looks like I have been living out here a bit longer. My record in Anaheim is, no joke, 1-17.
any further tigers v. angels tilts. ever.
This couldn't be more true.
This isn't that good of a team. The pitching took a HUGE hit when they lost Scherzer and traded Porcello. Add in the Verlander (assuming he's at least better than lobstein) injury, which was originally said to be a couple day thing and he wouldn't miss any action, and what are you left with? I said at the beginning of spring training they would fight for the second wild card spot. Then downgraded my prediction at the end of spring training to finishing 3rd in the division. I'm a tigers fan till I die but this is not a good ball club.
Oh and V-Mart being old and hurt hasn't helped them out much either
Although I had
1) Kansas City
2) Cleveland
3) Detroit
4) Chicago
5) Minnesota
Porcello has been hot garbage in Boston, I'd certainly rather have the cost flexibilty that Greene at least gives us.
Don't forget the Fister deal. Losing him really ground my gears.
Dombrowski let Scherzer leave, paid a gazillion dollars for another big bat that always disappears when we need it most, and refused to even acknowledge the fact that a bullpen is a thing that exists in baseball.
Not a fan of his but damn is there ever a ton of backlash when I criticize dombrowski. The thing that bothers me is that the people who like him have a really great trade that benefits their argument that's hard to argue against (though I have no proof I wholeheartedly believe that deal was made by the Florida Marlins GM and dombrowski just ha to agree to it)
in that trade, he hasn't been able to repeat the magic. Dombrowski deserves every bit of criticism he gets. People who come to his support love to tout that trade, which was a whopping 8 years ago, but don't seem to care he's never assembled a good bullpen, always ignores the fact that you need better quality depth than Hernan Perez and Don Kelly and most recently sacrificed all of their flexibility to the point that they couldn't re-sign the better of their two aces.
Oh come on. I'm not saying Dombrowski is infallible or anything, but we've won the division, what 4 years in a row? We've been in the World Series twice in the last decade and our season this year is still looking very good despite lots of injuries already. No team in baseball save the Giants or Cards have had that kind of success in the last decade.
a valid point if MLB was capped like the other major sports. When you make it to the WS with the 6th-highest payroll, how hard was your job? Should give the credit to the guy opening his wallet. Nobody in the division is within $50MM of their payroll. That $50MM is an MVP and two heavy contributors of difference. Crediting Dombrowski for division titles is like touting a driver in a car winning a race against an elderly couple on a tandem bike.
Ah, I wondered why the Dodgers have won so many World Series titles in a row.
to go down that road, look up the payroll rankings of just about every WS champion ever. Spoiler alert, it doesn't support your argument.
My argument is that having the highest payroll doesn't guarantee anything, so I bet that data would support my argument. The years we went to the WS we didn't have the 2nd highest payroll, did we?
Conversation people have about recruiting: Getting all the 5 stars doesn't guarantee you're going to be good, it just ups your odds. You can be bad with a big payroll if your GM does some dumb stuff. Stay tuned, the Tigers look like they're going to fit the billing pretty soon.
Players Dave Dombrowski has acquired via trades:
- Max Scherzer
- Doug Fister
- Jhonny Peralta
- Omar Infante (trading him for Jacque Jones was a mistake in the first place)
- Anibal Sanchez
- Placido Polanco (gave away a machete wielder to get him)
- Carlos Guillen
- Austin Jackson
- David Price
He recreated that magic many times after, and most of them for pennies on the dollar.
And the players he let walk?
I don't see the renteria trade mentioned here. Or the Washburn (didn't trade away much) "experiment". How about the healthy contract they gave an already on the decline (in the NL!!) Willis?
Traded away fister (for fuck all). Peralta walked, infante is gone, polanco was allowed to just walz out the door. Refused to trade Scherzer despite it being clear he was walking. I don't see him signing price and they won't trade him away because "they'll still be in a playoff race" of some sort.
He's certainly not without blemishes, but I find it hard to believe how much flak he actually gets from fans. Do people really want to endure what Royals and Pirates fans had to endure for years before some of their prospects actually panned out?
You remember the tigers before 2006?
I do and I'd rather not go back to those times.
Shane Greene
Yeonis Cespedes
Jose Iglesias
Ian Kinsler
Sean Casey
Miguel Cabrera
Edwin Jackson
Edgar Renteria
There are many others that he aquired that contributed to the teams turn around during his tenure. Nearly every prospect he's traded has failed to reach their potential. I think he knows what he's doing when it comes to poaching other teams talent. What scares me is the lack of productive draft picks. How can he have such a great eye for talent yet seem to be unable to identify it in the draft? Castellanos, Avila, Verlander, Porcello, and Granderson are about it.
http://grantland.com/features/dave-dombrowski-detroit-tigers/
They've made some solid signings for the bullpen than simply haven't panned out.
Joe Nathan, while he was aging, was one of the best closers in the league when he signed. Chamberlain was solid in NY. Sofia was a great get in the trade that also got rid of Fielder's monster contract. Rondon is a good pitcher when/if he comes back.
He's gone out and tried to address the signings with legit players and big names. They simply haven't panned out, which happens from time to time. It isn't like he's simply ignored the position. He's brought in players with proven resumes. At some point, those players have to produce.
Soria was not part of the fielder trade
Rondon is unproven.
absolutely has to go. Let all the good pitching get away, signed Cabrera and JV to extensions before they had to and hasn't developed the farm system worth a lick. He's behind this.
Cabrera was the right move.
Far from developing the farm system, he has systematically gutted it. Hernan Perez is the least objectionable alternative for the 25th spot, seriously?